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Hey Bruce Hagen
Hey Bruce,
What's the word regarding the future of the OE NG when MS pulls the plug on its msnews server? Does MS intend to issue a rmgroup across the entire Usenet to bag all the Microsoft.Public.* NG's? Bill |
Hey Bruce Hagen
MS is not going to do anything to save current NGs AFAIK. Some servers may
keep them. Google will have posts for years. As far as asking questions about OE, this is the place to be getting used to. XP - Networking, Mail And Getting Online Forum http://social.answers.microsoft.com/...etwork/threads -- Bruce Hagen MS-MVP [Mail] Imperial Beach, CA "Bill" wrote in message ... Hey Bruce, What's the word regarding the future of the OE NG when MS pulls the plug on its msnews server? Does MS intend to issue a rmgroup across the entire Usenet to bag all the Microsoft.Public.* NG's? Bill |
Hey Bruce Hagen
MS is not going to do anything to save current NGs AFAIK. Some servers may
keep them. Google will have posts for years. As far as asking questions about OE, this is the place to be getting used to. XP - Networking, Mail And Getting Online Forum http://social.answers.microsoft.com/...etwork/threads -- Bruce Hagen MS-MVP [Mail] Imperial Beach, CA "Bill" wrote in message ... Hey Bruce, What's the word regarding the future of the OE NG when MS pulls the plug on its msnews server? Does MS intend to issue a rmgroup across the entire Usenet to bag all the Microsoft.Public.* NG's? Bill |
Hey Bruce Hagen
Bill wrote:
What's the word regarding the future of the OE NG when MS pulls the plug on its msnews server? Does MS intend to issue a rmgroup across the entire Usenet to bag all the Microsoft.Public.* NG's? No, I'm not Bruce. Giganews says it will continue carrying the microsoft.* newsgroups. Google Groups is unlikely to drop them. My NSP (Albasani) says they will ignore any 'rmgroup' commands issued by Julien Elie or any other self-appointed egotistical Usenet admin. Microsoft is dropping their NNTP server (and thereby any peering to it). Microsoft is not the Usenet, a worldwide mesh network of NNTP servers over which Microsoft has no control (and partially the reason why they are retreating to web-based forums). So you will lose the availability of Microsoft's NNTP server to get at their pretend forums (aka Communities) via their webnews-for-dummies gateway. Start looking around for another NSP since they are likely to continue carrying the microsoft.* newsgroups. |
Hey Bruce Hagen
Bill wrote:
What's the word regarding the future of the OE NG when MS pulls the plug on its msnews server? Does MS intend to issue a rmgroup across the entire Usenet to bag all the Microsoft.Public.* NG's? No, I'm not Bruce. Giganews says it will continue carrying the microsoft.* newsgroups. Google Groups is unlikely to drop them. My NSP (Albasani) says they will ignore any 'rmgroup' commands issued by Julien Elie or any other self-appointed egotistical Usenet admin. Microsoft is dropping their NNTP server (and thereby any peering to it). Microsoft is not the Usenet, a worldwide mesh network of NNTP servers over which Microsoft has no control (and partially the reason why they are retreating to web-based forums). So you will lose the availability of Microsoft's NNTP server to get at their pretend forums (aka Communities) via their webnews-for-dummies gateway. Start looking around for another NSP since they are likely to continue carrying the microsoft.* newsgroups. |
Hey Bruce Hagen
I'm currently doing that now with a NNTP server
other than msnews. Hopefully, MS will keep its hands off of the existing NGs. Most of the online forums I've tried don't fair very well against OE's news reader, both from the point of view of navigation and watched thread alerts. Bill "VanguardLH" wrote in message ... Bill wrote: What's the word regarding the future of the OE NG when MS pulls the plug on its msnews server? Does MS intend to issue a rmgroup across the entire Usenet to bag all the Microsoft.Public.* NG's? No, I'm not Bruce. Giganews says it will continue carrying the microsoft.* newsgroups. Google Groups is unlikely to drop them. My NSP (Albasani) says they will ignore any 'rmgroup' commands issued by Julien Elie or any other self-appointed egotistical Usenet admin. Microsoft is dropping their NNTP server (and thereby any peering to it). Microsoft is not the Usenet, a worldwide mesh network of NNTP servers over which Microsoft has no control (and partially the reason why they are retreating to web-based forums). So you will lose the availability of Microsoft's NNTP server to get at their pretend forums (aka Communities) via their webnews-for-dummies gateway. Start looking around for another NSP since they are likely to continue carrying the microsoft.* newsgroups. |
Hey Bruce Hagen
I'm currently doing that now with a NNTP server
other than msnews. Hopefully, MS will keep its hands off of the existing NGs. Most of the online forums I've tried don't fair very well against OE's news reader, both from the point of view of navigation and watched thread alerts. Bill "VanguardLH" wrote in message ... Bill wrote: What's the word regarding the future of the OE NG when MS pulls the plug on its msnews server? Does MS intend to issue a rmgroup across the entire Usenet to bag all the Microsoft.Public.* NG's? No, I'm not Bruce. Giganews says it will continue carrying the microsoft.* newsgroups. Google Groups is unlikely to drop them. My NSP (Albasani) says they will ignore any 'rmgroup' commands issued by Julien Elie or any other self-appointed egotistical Usenet admin. Microsoft is dropping their NNTP server (and thereby any peering to it). Microsoft is not the Usenet, a worldwide mesh network of NNTP servers over which Microsoft has no control (and partially the reason why they are retreating to web-based forums). So you will lose the availability of Microsoft's NNTP server to get at their pretend forums (aka Communities) via their webnews-for-dummies gateway. Start looking around for another NSP since they are likely to continue carrying the microsoft.* newsgroups. |
Hey Bruce Hagen
Bill wrote:
I'm currently doing that now with a NNTP server other than msnews. I mentioned using a non-Microsoft NSP because you posted using Microsoft's NNTP server in your first post. Hopefully, MS will keep its hands off of the existing NGs. Microsoft has no control over Usenet (and why they are leaving), not even a legal means to extinct the microsoft.* newsgroups regarding trademark or copyright infringment since no one needs permission to mention Microsoft's company or product names to discuss them in books, news articles, or forums or newsgroups. They just have to not pretend they are Microsoft (something that some of the leeching web-based forums should better clarify). The newsgroups will continue to exist at the discretion of whomever actually owns the resources and property that operate the NSP services. Microsoft can only enforce and kill their own services. This isn't something new to NSPs. They have had to fend off rogue control messages for decades. An NSP isn't going to drop any group unless they choose so, not even if they cannot peer the group. That Microsoft is dropping their NNTP server means current NSPs using Microsoft as their primary peering host will have to change their peering relationships. Those that never peered direct from Microsoft's NNTP server don't care since nothing changes for them. Most of the online forums I've tried don't fair very well against OE's news reader, both from the point of view of navigation and watched thread alerts. I haven't found a web-based forum yet that can compete with the features available in a newsreader connecting to an NNTP server. That's why most of those leech sites pretend to operate forums but are instead providing a webnews-for-boobs gateway to Usenet. |
Hey Bruce Hagen
Bill wrote:
I'm currently doing that now with a NNTP server other than msnews. I mentioned using a non-Microsoft NSP because you posted using Microsoft's NNTP server in your first post. Hopefully, MS will keep its hands off of the existing NGs. Microsoft has no control over Usenet (and why they are leaving), not even a legal means to extinct the microsoft.* newsgroups regarding trademark or copyright infringment since no one needs permission to mention Microsoft's company or product names to discuss them in books, news articles, or forums or newsgroups. They just have to not pretend they are Microsoft (something that some of the leeching web-based forums should better clarify). The newsgroups will continue to exist at the discretion of whomever actually owns the resources and property that operate the NSP services. Microsoft can only enforce and kill their own services. This isn't something new to NSPs. They have had to fend off rogue control messages for decades. An NSP isn't going to drop any group unless they choose so, not even if they cannot peer the group. That Microsoft is dropping their NNTP server means current NSPs using Microsoft as their primary peering host will have to change their peering relationships. Those that never peered direct from Microsoft's NNTP server don't care since nothing changes for them. Most of the online forums I've tried don't fair very well against OE's news reader, both from the point of view of navigation and watched thread alerts. I haven't found a web-based forum yet that can compete with the features available in a newsreader connecting to an NNTP server. That's why most of those leech sites pretend to operate forums but are instead providing a webnews-for-boobs gateway to Usenet. |
Hey Bruce Hagen
Thanks for the clarifications. We'll all have to wait for awhile to see
how things pan out on the non-MS NNTP servers. Hopefully, Earthlink hasn't been peering from Microsoft's server. Bill "VanguardLH" wrote in message ... Bill wrote: I'm currently doing that now with a NNTP server other than msnews. I mentioned using a non-Microsoft NSP because you posted using Microsoft's NNTP server in your first post. Hopefully, MS will keep its hands off of the existing NGs. Microsoft has no control over Usenet (and why they are leaving), not even a legal means to extinct the microsoft.* newsgroups regarding trademark or copyright infringment since no one needs permission to mention Microsoft's company or product names to discuss them in books, news articles, or forums or newsgroups. They just have to not pretend they are Microsoft (something that some of the leeching web-based forums should better clarify). The newsgroups will continue to exist at the discretion of whomever actually owns the resources and property that operate the NSP services. Microsoft can only enforce and kill their own services. This isn't something new to NSPs. They have had to fend off rogue control messages for decades. An NSP isn't going to drop any group unless they choose so, not even if they cannot peer the group. That Microsoft is dropping their NNTP server means current NSPs using Microsoft as their primary peering host will have to change their peering relationships. Those that never peered direct from Microsoft's NNTP server don't care since nothing changes for them. Most of the online forums I've tried don't fair very well against OE's news reader, both from the point of view of navigation and watched thread alerts. I haven't found a web-based forum yet that can compete with the features available in a newsreader connecting to an NNTP server. That's why most of those leech sites pretend to operate forums but are instead providing a webnews-for-boobs gateway to Usenet. |
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