HTML only spam
 

On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:42:32 -0400, Ted Zieglar wrote:

Ken_B wrote:

I get tons of spam that is HTML only....no text. Virtually all legitimate
HTML e-mail contains text also.

There seems to be no option under message rules for blocking email with no
text. I would like them to not be downloaded from server. Any ideas on how
to block these?

Tools Options Read checkmark in Read all messages in plain text.

How does that option block the spam? It makes it unreadable, to be sure;
but the spam is still downloaded from the server.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

HTML only spam
 

I get tons of spam that is HTML only....no text. Virtually all legitimate
HTML e-mail contains text also.

There seems to be no option under message rules for blocking email with no
text. I would like them to not be downloaded from server. Any ideas on how
to block these?

HTML only spam
 

On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:21:25 -0500, Ken_B wrote:

I get tons of spam that is HTML only....no text. Virtually all legitimate
HTML e-mail contains text also.

There seems to be no option under message rules for blocking email with no
text. I would like them to not be downloaded from server. Any ideas on how
to block these?

Short of running your own MTA, or switching to a different email client,
I can't think of anything that you could try. MS Outlook Express just
isn't designed for extensive filtering of email.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

HTML only spam
 

Tools Options Read checkmark in Read all messages in plain text.


Ken_B wrote:
I get tons of spam that is HTML only....no text. Virtually all legitimate
HTML e-mail contains text also.

There seems to be no option under message rules for blocking email with no
text. I would like them to not be downloaded from server. Any ideas on how
to block these?




--

---
Ted Zieglar
"Backup is a computer user's best friend."

HTML only spam
 

In mail rules there are several "conditions" I can select, then I have
several options, one of which is to not download, or to delete from server.
But HTML ONLY is not one of them.

And about "Read all messages in plain text": There are many legitimate
messages, such as newsletters, that have text but have to be read in HTML
(Komando, for example). But IE6 will not let me open the HTML attachments.
(It used to - don't know what changed.

(I'm using ZoneAlarm firewall and AVG Free edition anti-virus).

Ken

"N. Miller" wrote in message
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On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:42:32 -0400, Ted Zieglar wrote:

Ken_B wrote:

I get tons of spam that is HTML only....no text. Virtually all
legitimate
HTML e-mail contains text also.

There seems to be no option under message rules for blocking email with
no
text. I would like them to not be downloaded from server. Any ideas on
how
to block these?

Tools Options Read checkmark in Read all messages in plain text.

How does that option block the spam? It makes it unreadable, to be sure;
but the spam is still downloaded from the server.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

HTML only spam
 

Because OE does not filter on HTML messages or part the HTML part of a
message. Never has. It will only look at the text part. Believe me, it's
been asked for since OE5.0, I know I asked during the beta.


"Ken_B" wrote in message
news:4QUog.93683$IZ2.84467@dukeread07...
In mail rules there are several "conditions" I can select, then I have
several options, one of which is to not download, or to delete from
server. But HTML ONLY is not one of them.

And about "Read all messages in plain text": There are many legitimate
messages, such as newsletters, that have text but have to be read in HTML
(Komando, for example). But IE6 will not let me open the HTML attachments.
(It used to - don't know what changed.

(I'm using ZoneAlarm firewall and AVG Free edition anti-virus).

Ken

"N. Miller" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:42:32 -0400, Ted Zieglar wrote:

Ken_B wrote:

I get tons of spam that is HTML only....no text. Virtually all
legitimate
HTML e-mail contains text also.

There seems to be no option under message rules for blocking email with
no
text. I would like them to not be downloaded from server. Any ideas on
how
to block these?

Tools Options Read checkmark in Read all messages in plain text.

How does that option block the spam? It makes it unreadable, to be sure;
but the spam is still downloaded from the server.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

HTML only spam
 

"DGuess" wrote
..
Because OE does not filter on HTML messages or part the HTML part of a
message. Never has. It will only look at the text part. Believe me, it's
been asked for since OE5.0, I know I asked during the beta.

What OE really needs is a filter that says "Only download messages that
satisfy the following criteria".

--
Bob
http://www.kanyak.com

HTML only spam
 

"Opinicus" wrote in message
...
"DGuess" wrote
.
Because OE does not filter on HTML messages or part the HTML part of a
message. Never has. It will only look at the text part. Believe me, it's
been asked for since OE5.0, I know I asked during the beta.

What OE really needs is a filter that says "Only download messages that
satisfy the following criteria".

--
Bob
http://www.kanyak.com


It would be nice, but it isn't there. Windows Mail (Vista) doesn't have it
either.

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
Reply in newsgroup
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve
neither liberty or security"

HTML only spam
 

"Opinicus" wrote in message
...
"DGuess" wrote
.
Because OE does not filter on HTML messages or part the HTML part of a
message. Never has. It will only look at the text part. Believe me, it's
been asked for since OE5.0, I know I asked during the beta.

What OE really needs is a filter that says "Only download messages that
satisfy the following criteria".



Technically, for POP3 connections that would be impossible.
The best it could do is use the TOP 0 command (when available)
to download and inspect only an E-mail's headers.

Supposedly what you're looking for may be more feasible using IMAP
but even then it's hard to imagine how you would be able to filter on HTML
content without first downloading it. ; )


Robert Aldwinckle
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HTML only spam
 

That's the problem. People want the computer to read the message and not
download it if it has certain characteristics, but how do you read it
without downloading it? G

I wrote a server side filter when swen came out, but that still had to
access the message contents first as well (although it was easy to filter
swen).

steve

"Robert Aldwinckle" wrote in message
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"Opinicus" wrote in message
...
"DGuess" wrote
.
Because OE does not filter on HTML messages or part the HTML part of a
message. Never has. It will only look at the text part. Believe me, it's
been asked for since OE5.0, I know I asked during the beta.

What OE really needs is a filter that says "Only download messages that
satisfy the following criteria".



Technically, for POP3 connections that would be impossible.
The best it could do is use the TOP 0 command (when available)
to download and inspect only an E-mail's headers.

Supposedly what you're looking for may be more feasible using IMAP
but even then it's hard to imagine how you would be able to filter on HTML
content without first downloading it. ; )


Robert Aldwinckle
---

HTML only spam
 

On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:18:37 -0500, Ken_B wrote:

In mail rules there are several "conditions" I can select, then I have
several options, one of which is to not download, or to delete from server.
But HTML ONLY is not one of them.

MS Outlook Express can only filter on the following header items useful
against spam:

Subject:
From:
To:
CC:

Using these you can delete email from the server before downloading.

MS Outlook Express can also filter on body text; but it has to download
the message from the server to do that. As you note, there is no way to
distinguish HTML only email from mixed MIME types.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

HTML only spam
 

On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 07:54:40 -0400, Steve Cochran wrote:

That's the problem. People want the computer to read the message and not
download it if it has certain characteristics, but how do you read it
without downloading it? G

I've seen some people claim that MailWasher can do that. They tend to
back off when I point out that, even though MW doesn't write the message
to disk (maybe; but what about the virtual swap file), it still has to
pull the message from the POP3 server and load it into memory.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

HTML only spam
 

hola

"Ken_B" escribió en el mensaje
news:s2Uog.93682$IZ2.19715@dukeread07...
I get tons of spam that is HTML only....no text. Virtually all legitimate
HTML e-mail contains text also.

There seems to be no option under message rules for blocking email with no
text. I would like them to not be downloaded from server. Any ideas on how
to block these?

HTML only spam
 

There is a way to get partial information and not the entire message. So
one could download enough to figure out its pure HTML without having to
download the entire message. For instance, if one got the first 200 lines
one could probably determine much of the header info and also the message
type sufficient to provide greater filtering variables than what OE now
provides.

steve

"N. Miller" wrote in message
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On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 07:54:40 -0400, Steve Cochran wrote:

That's the problem. People want the computer to read the message and not
download it if it has certain characteristics, but how do you read it
without downloading it? G

I've seen some people claim that MailWasher can do that. They tend to
back off when I point out that, even though MW doesn't write the message
to disk (maybe; but what about the virtual swap file), it still has to
pull the message from the POP3 server and load it into memory.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

HTML only spam
 

"Ken_B" wrote in message
news:s2Uog.93682$IZ2.19715@dukeread07...
I get tons of spam that is HTML only....no text. Virtually all legitimate
HTML e-mail contains text also.

There seems to be no option under message rules for blocking email with no
text. I would like them to not be downloaded from server. Any ideas on how
to block these?


Hello Ken
There are only two ways, that I am aware of, to stop HTML or the .gif type
spam emails from arriving in your in-box.
1. Use an ISP who do it for you - more and more are getting this software -
Brightmail have something to do with it
2. A very long winded method which I read in these groups and which is
reported as 'working' - use message rules to block any message that 'does
NOT contain the letter "a"'
Then work through the alphabet - yes 26 rules!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am fortunate to have an ISP that does filter ALL spam including the .gif
photo style of spam i.e. stock market and medicines and betting.
Once a week I go to my mail box and clear all the crxp out and send genuine
messages to my in box.
Hope this is of some assistance.
I think more pressure should be bought to bear on the ISPs to get their
fingers out and provide this service. It appears to me that most are still
doing very little to stop, prevent or deter spamming.
Rgds
Antioch

HTML only spam
 

Hey, that a-b-c etc thing sounds like a good idea! I might try that.

The spam in question is being sent to email addresses ONLY used on eBay and
PayPal. I have no idea how those addresses wound up on spam lists.

I have made message rules to delete any mail to those accounts that do not
contain the words eBay or PayPal, and that seems to be working.

Thanks for all for the replies.

Ken




"antioch" wrote in message
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"Ken_B" wrote in message
news:s2Uog.93682$IZ2.19715@dukeread07...
I get tons of spam that is HTML only....no text. Virtually all legitimate
HTML e-mail contains text also.

There seems to be no option under message rules for blocking email with
no
text. I would like them to not be downloaded from server. Any ideas on
how to block these?


Hello Ken
There are only two ways, that I am aware of, to stop HTML or the .gif type
spam emails from arriving in your in-box.
1. Use an ISP who do it for you - more and more are getting this
software - Brightmail have something to do with it
2. A very long winded method which I read in these groups and which is
reported as 'working' - use message rules to block any message that 'does
NOT contain the letter "a"'
Then work through the alphabet - yes 26 rules!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am fortunate to have an ISP that does filter ALL spam including the .gif
photo style of spam i.e. stock market and medicines and betting.
Once a week I go to my mail box and clear all the crxp out and send
genuine messages to my in box.
Hope this is of some assistance.
I think more pressure should be bought to bear on the ISPs to get their
fingers out and provide this service. It appears to me that most are
still doing very little to stop, prevent or deter spamming.
Rgds
Antioch

HTML only spam
 

"Ken_B" wrote in message
news:AOwpg.93778$IZ2.40615@dukeread07...
Hey, that a-b-c etc thing sounds like a good idea! I might try that.

The spam in question is being sent to email addresses ONLY used on eBay
and
PayPal. I have no idea how those addresses wound up on spam lists.

I have made message rules to delete any mail to those accounts that do not
contain the words eBay or PayPal, and that seems to be working.

Thanks for all for the replies.

Ken


Hi Ken
I do not use ebay or paypal - is this how you think your email address was
obtained? - my understanding is that email addresses are obtained in all
sorts of different ways.
Good luck anyway.
Rgds
Antioch

HTML only spam
 

Messages from eBay and PayPal contain the email
addresses of buyers and sellers so they can contact one another.

"antioch" wrote in message
...

"Ken_B" wrote in message
news:AOwpg.93778$IZ2.40615@dukeread07...
Hey, that a-b-c etc thing sounds like a good idea! I might try that.

The spam in question is being sent to email addresses ONLY used on eBay
and
PayPal. I have no idea how those addresses wound up on spam lists.

I have made message rules to delete any mail to those accounts that do
not
contain the words eBay or PayPal, and that seems to be working.

Thanks for all for the replies.

Ken


Hi Ken
I do not use ebay or paypal - is this how you think your email address was
obtained? - my understanding is that email addresses are obtained in all
sorts of different ways.
Good luck anyway.
Rgds
Antioch