Hi Janet,

It might not be helpful for this particular problem, but many spam messages
are not addressed to the recipient on the To: line. A message rule can be
used to redirect messages not sent to one of your e-mail addresses to the
Deleted Items or other folder created for the purpose. The headers can be
occasionally checked to assure that valid e-mails are not being filtered.


Where the To line contains people -- does not contain: address1, address2
(addresses or addresses you use)
Move to Folder: Deleted Items (or other folder)
Stop processing more rules

--
Tim K.
aka Kuay Tim
MS-MVP - Outlook Express
Lynnwood, WA
*
"Janetb" wrote in message
...
DEAR BRUCE and KEN,

I don't think this will work because it is not a blank message body: these
letters all have the equivalent of at least a paragraph's worth of nonsense
(ie streams of phrases or words, always different) following the solid
block.
This nonsense part of the letter is proper text, so the rules will not pick
out the email......

Thanks for showing me you get the Options after Adding.

So the problem still stands......
--
Thanks for the help!
Janet


"Ken" wrote:

Message Rule....

1: Select, Where the message body contains specific words.

2: Select, Move to specific folder (just for test purpose)

3: Select, Where the message body does not contain 'a' or 'e' or 'i' or
'o'
or 'u' or '1' or '2' or '3' or '4' or '5' or '6' or '7' or '8' or '9' or
'0'

In number 3 above, after you add "a", Options will change from grayed out,
click it to select "does not contain".

Hope this helps,
Ken

"Janetb" wrote in message
...

| Hold on---how would you do that? If no vowels were found, the rule would
not
| select that email to perform the required action (Delete) on, and it
would
| remain in the Inbox.....Is there some way to specify 'not-x' in the rule
| conditions?
| --
| Thanks for the help,
| Janet
|
|
| "Ken" wrote:
|
| Hi Janeth,
|
| You could have a rule to look for vowels a, e, i, o, u and numbers 1
thru 0
| in the message, if none are found then it probably could be your spam
| message.
|
| Ken
|
| "Janetb" wrote in message
| news | | Since my last post has received no response in five days (Message
Rule
for
| | Spam 7/24), I am simplifying to a very specific question with a more
| accurate
| | Subject....
| |
| | Many spam ads have constantly changing addresses and subjects and a
| message
| | body which Selects only as a single, solid block. Is there any way
to
| access
| | the text in such message bodies to make a Message Body message rule
in
OE
| to
| | filter them out? Any other way (some piece of common data in their
| | Properties window?) to make any kind of message rule for them?
| |
| | Since I am used to OE, I would like if possible to do it within OE
or
some
| | sort of simple accessory which performs this one function rather
than
| | replacing OE with a major, new program. I have 2KPro--not XP---if
that
| makes
| | a difference.
| |
| | --
| | Thanks for the help!
| | Janet
|
|
|

I don't think this will work because it is not a blank message body:
these letters all have the equivalent of at least a paragraph's worth of
nonsense

Sneaky little suckers.

You could create rules that will only allow all known people messages into
the Inbox folder, all other messages get sent to a folder for further
checking..

Ken

"Janetb" wrote in message
...
| DEAR BRUCE and KEN,
|
| I don't think this will work because it is not a blank message body: these
| letters all have the equivalent of at least a paragraph's worth of
nonsense
| (ie streams of phrases or words, always different) following the solid
block.
| This nonsense part of the letter is proper text, so the rules will not
pick
| out the email......
|
| Thanks for showing me you get the Options after Adding.
|
| So the problem still stands......
| --
| Thanks for the help!
| Janet
|
|
| "Ken" wrote:
|
| Message Rule....
|
| 1: Select, Where the message body contains specific words.
|
| 2: Select, Move to specific folder (just for test purpose)
|
| 3: Select, Where the message body does not contain 'a' or 'e' or 'i' or
'o'
| or 'u' or '1' or '2' or '3' or '4' or '5' or '6' or '7' or '8' or '9' or
'0'
|
| In number 3 above, after you add "a", Options will change from grayed
out,
| click it to select "does not contain".
|
| Hope this helps,
| Ken
|
| "Janetb" wrote in message
| ...
|
| | Hold on---how would you do that? If no vowels were found, the rule
would
| not
| | select that email to perform the required action (Delete) on, and it
would
| | remain in the Inbox.....Is there some way to specify 'not-x' in the
rule
| | conditions?
| | --
| | Thanks for the help,
| | Janet
| |
| |
| | "Ken" wrote:
| |
| | Hi Janeth,
| |
| | You could have a rule to look for vowels a, e, i, o, u and numbers 1
| thru 0
| | in the message, if none are found then it probably could be your
spam
| | message.
| |
| | Ken
| |
| | "Janetb" wrote in message
| | news | | | Since my last post has received no response in five days (Message
Rule
| for
| | | Spam 7/24), I am simplifying to a very specific question with a
more
| | accurate
| | | Subject....
| | |
| | | Many spam ads have constantly changing addresses and subjects and
a
| | message
| | | body which Selects only as a single, solid block. Is there any way
to
| | access
| | | the text in such message bodies to make a Message Body message
rule in
| OE
| | to
| | | filter them out? Any other way (some piece of common data in
their
| | | Properties window?) to make any kind of message rule for them?
| | |
| | | Since I am used to OE, I would like if possible to do it within OE
or
| some
| | | sort of simple accessory which performs this one function rather
than
| | | replacing OE with a major, new program. I have 2KPro--not XP---if
that
| | makes
| | | a difference.
| | |
| | | --
| | | Thanks for the help!
| | | Janet
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|

Hi Bruce,
None of your links address the problem, as far as I can see...
--
Thanks anyway,
Janet


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Ah. I thought it was a blank message body you were referring to. Other that
a spam program, you can see if any of these message rule ideas are helpful,
but none will address this specific problem only.

Some Message Rule Ideas:
http://www.mindspring.com/~majik/messagerules.htm

Some tips:
http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/tips/rules.htm

Message Rules not working?:
http://www.tomsterdam.com/insideoe/faqs/why.htm#rules
--
Bruce Hagen
MS MVP - Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Janetb" wrote in message
...
DEAR BRUCE and KEN,

I don't think this will work because it is not a blank message body: these
letters all have the equivalent of at least a paragraph's worth of
nonsense
(ie streams of phrases or words, always different) following the solid
block.
This nonsense part of the letter is proper text, so the rules will not
pick
out the email......

Thanks for showing me you get the Options after Adding.

So the problem still stands......
--
Thanks for the help!
Janet


"Ken" wrote:

Message Rule....

1: Select, Where the message body contains specific words.

2: Select, Move to specific folder (just for test purpose)

3: Select, Where the message body does not contain 'a' or 'e' or 'i' or
'o'
or 'u' or '1' or '2' or '3' or '4' or '5' or '6' or '7' or '8' or '9' or
'0'

In number 3 above, after you add "a", Options will change from grayed
out,
click it to select "does not contain".

Hope this helps,
Ken

"Janetb" wrote in message
...

| Hold on---how would you do that? If no vowels were found, the rule
would
not
| select that email to perform the required action (Delete) on, and it
would
| remain in the Inbox.....Is there some way to specify 'not-x' in the
rule
| conditions?
| --
| Thanks for the help,
| Janet
|
|
| "Ken" wrote:
|
| Hi Janeth,
|
| You could have a rule to look for vowels a, e, i, o, u and numbers 1
thru 0
| in the message, if none are found then it probably could be your spam
| message.
|
| Ken
|
| "Janetb" wrote in message
| news | | Since my last post has received no response in five days (Message
Rule
for
| | Spam 7/24), I am simplifying to a very specific question with a
more
| accurate
| | Subject....
| |
| | Many spam ads have constantly changing addresses and subjects and a
| message
| | body which Selects only as a single, solid block. Is there any way
to
| access
| | the text in such message bodies to make a Message Body message rule
in
OE
| to
| | filter them out? Any other way (some piece of common data in their
| | Properties window?) to make any kind of message rule for them?
| |
| | Since I am used to OE, I would like if possible to do it within OE
or
some
| | sort of simple accessory which performs this one function rather
than
| | replacing OE with a major, new program. I have 2KPro--not XP---if
that
| makes
| | a difference.
| |
| | --
| | Thanks for the help!
| | Janet
|
|
|

Yes, the ad (which is common to all the emails) is a block which looks like
text, but when you go to select a particular word or phrase, you cannot---it
selects the whole block as a single unit. The question of this post was to
find out if there is a way to refer to this common 'object' in a message rule
in order to delete all emails which include it.

janet


"antioch" wrote:

Your post states 'non-text' ??????
Antioch

"Janetb" wrote in message
...
DEAR BRUCE and KEN,

I don't think this will work because it is not a blank message body: these
letters all have the equivalent of at least a paragraph's worth of
nonsense
(ie streams of phrases or words, always different) following the solid
block.
This nonsense part of the letter is proper text, so the rules will not
pick
out the email......

Thanks for showing me you get the Options after Adding.

So the problem still stands......
--
Thanks for the help!
Janet


"Ken" wrote:

Message Rule....

1: Select, Where the message body contains specific words.

2: Select, Move to specific folder (just for test purpose)

3: Select, Where the message body does not contain 'a' or 'e' or 'i' or
'o'
or 'u' or '1' or '2' or '3' or '4' or '5' or '6' or '7' or '8' or '9' or
'0'

In number 3 above, after you add "a", Options will change from grayed
out,
click it to select "does not contain".

Hope this helps,
Ken

"Janetb" wrote in message
...

| Hold on---how would you do that? If no vowels were found, the rule
would
not
| select that email to perform the required action (Delete) on, and it
would
| remain in the Inbox.....Is there some way to specify 'not-x' in the
rule
| conditions?
| --
| Thanks for the help,
| Janet
|
|
| "Ken" wrote:
|
| Hi Janeth,
|
| You could have a rule to look for vowels a, e, i, o, u and numbers 1
thru 0
| in the message, if none are found then it probably could be your spam
| message.
|
| Ken
|
| "Janetb" wrote in message
| news | | Since my last post has received no response in five days (Message
Rule
for
| | Spam 7/24), I am simplifying to a very specific question with a
more
| accurate
| | Subject....
| |
| | Many spam ads have constantly changing addresses and subjects and a
| message
| | body which Selects only as a single, solid block. Is there any way
to
| access
| | the text in such message bodies to make a Message Body message rule
in
OE
| to
| | filter them out? Any other way (some piece of common data in their
| | Properties window?) to make any kind of message rule for them?
| |
| | Since I am used to OE, I would like if possible to do it within OE
or
some
| | sort of simple accessory which performs this one function rather
than
| | replacing OE with a major, new program. I have 2KPro--not XP---if
that
| makes
| | a difference.
| |
| | --
| | Thanks for the help!
| | Janet
|
|
|

The To: lines are to my proper email address.
The From: Line and Subject: line are constantly changing.
--
Janet


"Kuay Tim" wrote:

Hi Janet,

It might not be helpful for this particular problem, but many spam messages
are not addressed to the recipient on the To: line. A message rule can be
used to redirect messages not sent to one of your e-mail addresses to the
Deleted Items or other folder created for the purpose. The headers can be
occasionally checked to assure that valid e-mails are not being filtered.


Where the To line contains people -- does not contain: address1, address2
(addresses or addresses you use)
Move to Folder: Deleted Items (or other folder)
Stop processing more rules

--
Tim K.
aka Kuay Tim
MS-MVP - Outlook Express
Lynnwood, WA
*
"Janetb" wrote in message
...
DEAR BRUCE and KEN,

I don't think this will work because it is not a blank message body: these
letters all have the equivalent of at least a paragraph's worth of nonsense
(ie streams of phrases or words, always different) following the solid
block.
This nonsense part of the letter is proper text, so the rules will not pick
out the email......

Thanks for showing me you get the Options after Adding.

So the problem still stands......
--
Thanks for the help!
Janet


"Ken" wrote:

Message Rule....

1: Select, Where the message body contains specific words.

2: Select, Move to specific folder (just for test purpose)

3: Select, Where the message body does not contain 'a' or 'e' or 'i' or
'o'
or 'u' or '1' or '2' or '3' or '4' or '5' or '6' or '7' or '8' or '9' or
'0'

In number 3 above, after you add "a", Options will change from grayed out,
click it to select "does not contain".

Hope this helps,
Ken

"Janetb" wrote in message
...

| Hold on---how would you do that? If no vowels were found, the rule would
not
| select that email to perform the required action (Delete) on, and it
would
| remain in the Inbox.....Is there some way to specify 'not-x' in the rule
| conditions?
| --
| Thanks for the help,
| Janet
|
|
| "Ken" wrote:
|
| Hi Janeth,
|
| You could have a rule to look for vowels a, e, i, o, u and numbers 1
thru 0
| in the message, if none are found then it probably could be your spam
| message.
|
| Ken
|
| "Janetb" wrote in message
| news | | Since my last post has received no response in five days (Message
Rule
for
| | Spam 7/24), I am simplifying to a very specific question with a more
| accurate
| | Subject....
| |
| | Many spam ads have constantly changing addresses and subjects and a
| message
| | body which Selects only as a single, solid block. Is there any way
to
| access
| | the text in such message bodies to make a Message Body message rule
in
OE
| to
| | filter them out? Any other way (some piece of common data in their
| | Properties window?) to make any kind of message rule for them?
| |
| | Since I am used to OE, I would like if possible to do it within OE
or
some
| | sort of simple accessory which performs this one function rather
than
| | replacing OE with a major, new program. I have 2KPro--not XP---if
that
| makes
| | a difference.
| |
| | --
| | Thanks for the help!
| | Janet
|
|
|

Yes, I assumed the pseudo-text was some sort of image, but was unable to
establish what kind. Yes, the question was basically how to put an image
check in a rule message. Your other suggestions have been covered in the
posts in this thread.
--
J.


"antioch" wrote:


"Janetb" wrote in message
news
Since my last post has received no response in five days (Message Rule for
Spam 7/24), I am simplifying to a very specific question with a more
accurate
Subject....

Many spam ads have constantly changing addresses and subjects and a
message
body which Selects only as a single, solid block. Is there any way to
access
the text in such message bodies to make a Message Body message rule in OE
to
filter them out? Any other way (some piece of common data in their
Properties window?) to make any kind of message rule for them?

Since I am used to OE, I would like if possible to do it within OE or some
sort of simple accessory which performs this one function rather than
replacing OE with a major, new program. I have 2KPro--not XP---if that
makes
a difference.

--
Thanks for the help!
Janet

Hi Janet
I did read your other post but you did not qualify the type/format of the
spam you were getting, otherwise I would have given you my input(for what it
is worth)
I now believe what you are getting is the .gif type spam i.e. it is to all
intents a picture and NOT text - hence message rules as commonly used will
have no effect.
Some months back when this type became more prevalent, I posted the
suggestion(not mine)that message rules could work, but it was a very
'long-winded' job.
In message rules, you stipulate blocking any message that does 'not contain'
a letter of the alphabet, since this type of email has no letters. You need
to do one rule for each letter.
You can add numbers one to ten if you wish.
This does work - I have not tried it though - according to feedback.
The other alternative is to contact your ISP - they may provide a spam block
service where all suspect spam is put into your Mail Box.
The odd one or two might get through, but if you get 20+ per day you will be
more than happy to only get one or two.
Not all ISPs can block .gif spam - yet. Some still have no spam blocking
service at all.
Those ISPs who do have this spam blocking service, as the norm, expect you
to go to your mail box and check for any genuine emails that may have got
pulled in with the spam.
My ISP will delete all spam in my mail box every 7 days, by date age.
Rgds
Antioch

"Janetb" wrote in message
...
Hold on---how would you do that? If no vowels were found, the rule would
not
select that email to perform the required action (Delete) on, and it would
remain in the Inbox.....Is there some way to specify 'not-x' in the rule
conditions?
--
Thanks for the help,
Janet

Hi Janet;

At one time I had this same problem and experimented for a long time to find
something that would work... I'm going on memory here, so you may have to
experiment to get it right...

Most of this type of spam comes from servers that do not send much other
useful mail - It is probably no loss to block the entire server...

In the message rules you can block all messages from the server that this
mail comes from. Create the rule to block and then
delete the "name" portion, leaving just "

In the beginning - direct it to the deleted folder, which you can manually
check for mail that you may want... After a while you can stop checking...

Worked for me...

:-}

All the addresses are different in the parts both before AND after the
"@"......(ie there is not what you refer to as a common server).....
--
Janet


"phants" wrote:

"Janetb" wrote in message
...
Hold on---how would you do that? If no vowels were found, the rule would
not
select that email to perform the required action (Delete) on, and it would
remain in the Inbox.....Is there some way to specify 'not-x' in the rule
conditions?
--
Thanks for the help,
Janet

Hi Janet;

At one time I had this same problem and experimented for a long time to find
something that would work... I'm going on memory here, so you may have to
experiment to get it right...

Most of this type of spam comes from servers that do not send much other
useful mail - It is probably no loss to block the entire server...

In the message rules you can block all messages from the server that this
mail comes from. Create the rule to block and then
delete the "name" portion, leaving just "

In the beginning - direct it to the deleted folder, which you can manually
check for mail that you may want... After a while you can stop checking...

Worked for me...

:-}

On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 23:37:01 -0700, Janetb wrote:

Since my last post has received no response in five days (Message Rule for
Spam 7/24), I am simplifying to a very specific question with a more accurate
Subject....

Many spam ads have constantly changing addresses and subjects and a message
body which Selects only as a single, solid block. Is there any way to access
the text in such message bodies to make a Message Body message rule in OE to
filter them out? Any other way (some piece of common data in their
Properties window?) to make any kind of message rule for them?

Since I am used to OE, I would like if possible to do it within OE or some
sort of simple accessory which performs this one function rather than
replacing OE with a major, new program. I have 2KPro--not XP---if that makes
a difference.

I see a number of varieties of spam. Much is "multipart", with an HTML
component that carries the payload, and a text component that carries a
"hashbuster"; random text designed to be changed with each message in a
spam run. The purpose is to break the "hash" created by anti spam
systems such as DCC and Razor.

Some carries images, in a base64 encoded block of text, and, again,
"hashbuster" text.

I am getting spam to a MyRealBox account which is so minimal in payload
content that, even with the capability of the Mercury/32 filters to
check against header lines which MSOE ignores, it is difficult to
filter. E.g.:

| Received: from spooler by aosake.net (Mercury/32 v4.01b); 30 Jul 2006 08:45:14 -0700
| X-Envelope-To: Local User
| X-Auth-No:
| Return-Path:
| Received: from ziaspace.com not authenticated [64.27.4.87]
| by smtp-send.myrealbox.com with NetMail SMTP Agent $Revision: 1.6 $ on Linux;
| Sun, 30 Jul 2006 09:18:56 -0600
| Message-ID:
| Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 00:53:10 -0900
| Reply-To: "Carrie"
| From: "Carrie"
| User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en-US) AppleWebKit/103u (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/100
| X-Accept-Language: en-us
| MIME-Version: 1.0
| To: "Yochenen"
| Cc: "Zaki" ,
| "eengut" ,
| "Cheyne" ,
| "Roudelfou" ,
| "Izeek" ,
| "Vednaldo" ,
| "Ysaax" ,
| "Dukarei"
| Subject: hi
| Content-Type: text/plain;
| charset="us-ascii"
| Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
| X-CC-Diagnostic: Header "X-Accept-Language" Exists (11)
| X-PMFLAGS: 34078720 0 0 NXK963NV.CNM
|
| You still wanting at getting into shape?
| Hope you are bcause I saw these guys,
|
| \wr\
|
| It's the same stuff you've been hearing about in the press that all the
| sports players are using.
|
| charming lobby the fire. They were human
| were prowling closer suffer for to us?
| to realize the scantiness of her apparel and diamond drew

The rule I settled on for this one looks like this:

| If header "CT" contains "My Name" SkipNext "A/S"
| If header "CT" contains " Move "A/S"

That is from the rule file in Mercury/32; this program uses a text file
for the rules.

First line says to skip the next line if my actual name appears in "To:"
or "Cc:".

The second line, which would be skipped on a match in the first line,
says to move email which has my MRB email address to a different account
("A/S" means "Anti Spam"; but the account really has a given Christian
name).

I use Pegasus Mail, in conjunction with the Mercury/32 MTA; and both
have a rich ruleset. I don't use MSOE, so I don't know how to accomplish
similar with MSOE.

OTOH, the rules I created will only work with this account because it is
so rarely used, and only by me for certain tests. I can use a technique
like this because I don't have to worry about correspondents sending me
email without the exact given name I have specified in my rules.
Otherwise, I would have to try and create a scoring rule in the Content
Checks, which applies points to words in the message body, and/or
headers, where the points would add up to enough to cross a "spammy"
threshold for this message, while not crossing the threshold for a
non-spam message.

MSOE is just not capable of anything like that, at all. In fact, the
primary reason that I moved to Pegasus Mail over MS Outlook Express is
the richness of the filters. And, with the latest release, Pegasus Mail
4.41, Pegasus Mail has included a Naive Bayesian spam filter.

I further switched from relying on third parties for email to running my
own server, for my own domain, because that gives me better control over
the SMTP transaction, which is where the spam is injected into the SMTP
system.

This is not for everybody, though; and, if you insist on staying with MS
Outlook Express, you will have to use the tricks commonly posted here;
"Filtering In" (whitelisting), and such.

Sometimes, MSOE can be finagled to work with an anti spam filter proxy,
which interposes between MSOE and the POP3 server. I have used POPFile
with succes, but K9 seems to be more popular. Both use Naive Bayesian
statistical analysis of the words appearing in email. They "learn" as
you click on the choice of "spam", or "ham"; and the corpus used for
analysis is unique to each user, thus foiling spammer efforts to
"poison" the filter with hashbusters.

K9: http://keir.net/k9.html
POPFile: http://popfile.sourceforge.net/

Other than that, getting effective spam rules in MS Outlook Express is
very difficult; it was never designed for filtering spam.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

Reply under your recent post - Antioch

"Janetb" wrote in message
...
Yes, I assumed the pseudo-text was some sort of image, but was unable to
establish what kind. Yes, the question was basically how to put an image
check in a rule message. Your other suggestions have been covered in the
posts in this thread.
--
J.

Then that is all that can be done - as far as I know at this time.
Choices
1. Use the whole alphabet message rule
2. See if your ISP provides this type of spam blocking - if not find one
that does and change or not change.
3. Google all spam blocking progs. and see which ones are able to block the
spam.
I cannot think of a fourth - oh, apart from just deleting it when you get
it.
Start here first - I am sure this is the one used by my ISP - it catches 99%
of all household germs :-) :-)
Don't forget to let us know what happens

http://www.freedownloadscenter.com/E...ee/alpha1.html

and good luck.


"antioch" wrote:


"Janetb" wrote in message
news
Since my last post has received no response in five days (Message Rule
for
Spam 7/24), I am simplifying to a very specific question with a more
accurate
Subject....

Many spam ads have constantly changing addresses and subjects and a
message
body which Selects only as a single, solid block. Is there any way to
access
the text in such message bodies to make a Message Body message rule in
OE
to
filter them out? Any other way (some piece of common data in their
Properties window?) to make any kind of message rule for them?

Since I am used to OE, I would like if possible to do it within OE or
some
sort of simple accessory which performs this one function rather than
replacing OE with a major, new program. I have 2KPro--not XP---if that
makes
a difference.

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Thanks for the help!
Janet

Hi Janet
I did read your other post but you did not qualify the type/format of the
spam you were getting, otherwise I would have given you my input(for what
it
is worth)
I now believe what you are getting is the .gif type spam i.e. it is to
all
intents a picture and NOT text - hence message rules as commonly used
will
have no effect.
Some months back when this type became more prevalent, I posted the
suggestion(not mine)that message rules could work, but it was a very
'long-winded' job.
In message rules, you stipulate blocking any message that does 'not
contain'
a letter of the alphabet, since this type of email has no letters. You
need
to do one rule for each letter.
You can add numbers one to ten if you wish.
This does work - I have not tried it though - according to feedback.
The other alternative is to contact your ISP - they may provide a spam
block
service where all suspect spam is put into your Mail Box.
The odd one or two might get through, but if you get 20+ per day you will
be
more than happy to only get one or two.
Not all ISPs can block .gif spam - yet. Some still have no spam blocking
service at all.
Those ISPs who do have this spam blocking service, as the norm, expect
you
to go to your mail box and check for any genuine emails that may have got
pulled in with the spam.
My ISP will delete all spam in my mail box every 7 days, by date age.
Rgds
Antioch