Hi
Kind of unclear as how to present this, but....
I have a couple of dozen or so OE rules, most of which I have had for
a number of years and they have worked well.
Thankfully, one of them--the first one--copies ALL email to another
folder and then the successive ones work with individual folders. So,
I have a copy of all the email, which is needed now as OE seems to
periodically either 'drop' messages from files, or decides to just go
back a few weeks and not show the recent emails. Usually a restart of
the application 'brings the recently dropped messages' back to where
they belong.

Once or twice, the messages did not return and I needed to purchase
recovery software to do so as one time it was the 'Sent' box that was
not recovered....and, since I do a lot of my business via emailed
estimates, problems were sure to happen.

I believe OE application/data is corrupt and, yes, I have backup, but
even if it is a few days old, it will be problems. As mentioned, I
have a copy of all the incoming messages, so things are not so bad.

However, I believe it is time to try to nail down the culprit and I
think a good place to start would be the rules...all of which have the
stop processing more rules entry.

I have also thought a lot about moving to Pegasus or Mozilla mail,
but, as explained in earlier posts, I am concerned about maximum
mailbox folders/sizes.

I would appreciate any ideas on any of the above topics.

Thanks In Advance
Joe

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

First, Backup all your email. See:
http://www.insideoe.com/backup/index.htm
The click File | Work Offline followed by File | Folder | Compact All.

This is usually caused by an anti-spam program or an anti-virus set to scan
email.

Turn off email scanning in your anti-virus. It provides no added
protection. After doing so it may be necessary to reset the server names in
OE.

The Other E-Mail Threat: File Corruption in Outlook Express
Published: November 18, 2004
By Tom Koch
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/...orruption.mspx

Email scanning slows down Sending and Receiving, sometimes enough that OE
times out. Since some of the received messages have large (often virus)
attachments, which exasperates the problem.
Some Comcast users have found it necessary to totally uninstall Norton and
switch to the free AVG with mail scanning off. Norton invented email
scanning and here's what they say (although this is all from Norton, it
applies to all anti-viruses):

"Disabling Email Scanning does not leave you unprotected against viruses
that
are distributed as email attachments. Norton AntiVirus Auto-Protect scans
incoming files as they are saved to your hard drive, including email and
email attachments. Email Scanning is just another layer on top of this. To
make sure that Auto-Protect is providing the maximum protection, keep
Auto-Protect enabled and run LiveUpdate regularly to ensure that you have
the most recent virus definitions."
http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT...256c7500723cf0

"...your computer is protected if Auto-Protect is enabled. Auto-Protect
scans any incoming files, including email attachments, when the files are
saved to your hard drive."
http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT...01100907323806

"NAV provides multiple layers of protection. Email scanning is just one of
those layers. Even if you are not running Email Scanning, your computer is
protected against viruses that are distributed as email attachments by NAV
Auto-Protect. Auto-Protect will scan any incoming files, including email
attachments, as they are saved to your hard drive. To make sure that
Auto-Protect is providing the maximum protection, keep Auto-Protect enabled
and run LiveUpdate regularly to ensure that you have the most recent virus
definitions."
http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT...= bar_sch_nam

See also
http://help.expedient.com/mailnews/n...ntivirus.shtml

So Symantec used to say this often and clearly. The newer stuff doesn't
have the statement included as it was considered an embarrassment. If you
know anyone who programs for Norton try to get them to talk about it.

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
http://www.fjsmjs.com


"up for the game" wrote in message
...
Hi
Kind of unclear as how to present this, but....
I have a couple of dozen or so OE rules, most of which I have had for
a number of years and they have worked well.
Thankfully, one of them--the first one--copies ALL email to another
folder and then the successive ones work with individual folders. So,
I have a copy of all the email, which is needed now as OE seems to
periodically either 'drop' messages from files, or decides to just go
back a few weeks and not show the recent emails. Usually a restart of
the application 'brings the recently dropped messages' back to where
they belong.

Once or twice, the messages did not return and I needed to purchase
recovery software to do so as one time it was the 'Sent' box that was
not recovered....and, since I do a lot of my business via emailed
estimates, problems were sure to happen.

I believe OE application/data is corrupt and, yes, I have backup, but
even if it is a few days old, it will be problems. As mentioned, I
have a copy of all the incoming messages, so things are not so bad.

However, I believe it is time to try to nail down the culprit and I
think a good place to start would be the rules...all of which have the
stop processing more rules entry.

I have also thought a lot about moving to Pegasus or Mozilla mail,
but, as explained in earlier posts, I am concerned about maximum
mailbox folders/sizes.

I would appreciate any ideas on any of the above topics.

Thanks In Advance
Joe

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

Along with what Frank said.

In general:

Have all rules that divert mail to folders first.

Delete it from server next.

All others last.

Make sure that every rule, except diverting rules, also have Stop processing
more rules checked, unless that option is grayed out.

How to set up OE Message Rules:
http://www.oeupdates.com/outlook-exp...lock-spam.html

http://www.timeatlas.com/mos/Email/O...tlook_Express/

http://www.jackieswebworks.com/outlo...ss%20notes.htm

Some Message Rule Ideas:
http://www.mindspring.com/~majik/messagerules.htm

Some tips:
http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/tips/rules.htm

Message Rules not working?:
http://www.tomsterdam.com/insideoe/faqs/why.htm#rules

General precautions for Outlook Express:

Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually become
corrupt. Create your own user defined folders for storing mail and move your
mail to them. Empty Deleted Items folder regularly. Keep user created
folders under 100MB, and Default folders as empty as is feasible.

After you are done, follow up by compacting your folders manually while
working *offline* and do it often.

Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so no folders are
open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click Working Online in the
Status Bar). File | Folder | Compact all folders. Don't touch anything until
the compacting is completed.

Turn off e-mail scanning in your anti-virus program. It is a redundant layer
of protection that eats up CPUs and causes a multitude of problems such as
time-outs and account setting changes. Your up-to-date A/V program will
continue to protect you sufficiently. For more, see:
http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3

In Tools | Options | Maintenance: Uncheck Compact messages in background and
leave it unchecked. {N/A if running XP/SP2}.

And backup often.

Backup & Resto
http://www.insideoutlookexpress.com/backup/
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"up for the game" wrote in message
...
Hi
Kind of unclear as how to present this, but....
I have a couple of dozen or so OE rules, most of which I have had for
a number of years and they have worked well.
Thankfully, one of them--the first one--copies ALL email to another
folder and then the successive ones work with individual folders. So,
I have a copy of all the email, which is needed now as OE seems to
periodically either 'drop' messages from files, or decides to just go
back a few weeks and not show the recent emails. Usually a restart of
the application 'brings the recently dropped messages' back to where
they belong.

Once or twice, the messages did not return and I needed to purchase
recovery software to do so as one time it was the 'Sent' box that was
not recovered....and, since I do a lot of my business via emailed
estimates, problems were sure to happen.

I believe OE application/data is corrupt and, yes, I have backup, but
even if it is a few days old, it will be problems. As mentioned, I
have a copy of all the incoming messages, so things are not so bad.

However, I believe it is time to try to nail down the culprit and I
think a good place to start would be the rules...all of which have the
stop processing more rules entry.

I have also thought a lot about moving to Pegasus or Mozilla mail,
but, as explained in earlier posts, I am concerned about maximum
mailbox folders/sizes.

I would appreciate any ideas on any of the above topics.

Thanks In Advance
Joe

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

Frank
Thank You for the information and the time.
I have done as you noted and will see if all is OK.
BTW, I use back rex for OE backup and it works very well.
Joe
On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 06:54:22 -0600, "Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM"
wrote:

First, Backup all your email. See:
http://www.insideoe.com/backup/index.htm
The click File | Work Offline followed by File | Folder | Compact All.

This is usually caused by an anti-spam program or an anti-virus set to scan
email.

Turn off email scanning in your anti-virus. It provides no added
protection. After doing so it may be necessary to reset the server names in
OE.

The Other E-Mail Threat: File Corruption in Outlook Express
Published: November 18, 2004
By Tom Koch
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/...orruption.mspx

Email scanning slows down Sending and Receiving, sometimes enough that OE
times out. Since some of the received messages have large (often virus)
attachments, which exasperates the problem.
Some Comcast users have found it necessary to totally uninstall Norton and
switch to the free AVG with mail scanning off. Norton invented email
scanning and here's what they say (although this is all from Norton, it
applies to all anti-viruses):

"Disabling Email Scanning does not leave you unprotected against viruses
that
are distributed as email attachments. Norton AntiVirus Auto-Protect scans
incoming files as they are saved to your hard drive, including email and
email attachments. Email Scanning is just another layer on top of this. To
make sure that Auto-Protect is providing the maximum protection, keep
Auto-Protect enabled and run LiveUpdate regularly to ensure that you have
the most recent virus definitions."
http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT...256c7500723cf0

"...your computer is protected if Auto-Protect is enabled. Auto-Protect
scans any incoming files, including email attachments, when the files are
saved to your hard drive."
http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT...01100907323806

"NAV provides multiple layers of protection. Email scanning is just one of
those layers. Even if you are not running Email Scanning, your computer is
protected against viruses that are distributed as email attachments by NAV
Auto-Protect. Auto-Protect will scan any incoming files, including email
attachments, as they are saved to your hard drive. To make sure that
Auto-Protect is providing the maximum protection, keep Auto-Protect enabled
and run LiveUpdate regularly to ensure that you have the most recent virus
definitions."
http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT...= bar_sch_nam

See also
http://help.expedient.com/mailnews/n...ntivirus.shtml

So Symantec used to say this often and clearly. The newer stuff doesn't
have the statement included as it was considered an embarrassment. If you
know anyone who programs for Norton try to get them to talk about it.

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

Bruce
Thanks for the follow up.
Why would all be ok for years and then all of a sudden the rules be
bypassed. Ah, computers...
I will go to tomsterdam now.
Thanks again.
Joe
On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 07:27:08 -0800, "Bruce Hagen"
wrote:

Along with what Frank said.

In general:

Have all rules that divert mail to folders first.

Delete it from server next.

All others last.

Make sure that every rule, except diverting rules, also have Stop processing
more rules checked, unless that option is grayed out.

How to set up OE Message Rules:
http://www.oeupdates.com/outlook-exp...lock-spam.html

http://www.timeatlas.com/mos/Email/O...tlook_Express/

http://www.jackieswebworks.com/outlo...ss%20notes.htm

Some Message Rule Ideas:
http://www.mindspring.com/~majik/messagerules.htm

Some tips:
http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/tips/rules.htm

Message Rules not working?:
http://www.tomsterdam.com/insideoe/faqs/why.htm#rules

General precautions for Outlook Express:

Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually become
corrupt. Create your own user defined folders for storing mail and move your
mail to them. Empty Deleted Items folder regularly. Keep user created
folders under 100MB, and Default folders as empty as is feasible.

After you are done, follow up by compacting your folders manually while
working *offline* and do it often.

Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so no folders are
open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click Working Online in the
Status Bar). File | Folder | Compact all folders. Don't touch anything until
the compacting is completed.

Turn off e-mail scanning in your anti-virus program. It is a redundant layer
of protection that eats up CPUs and causes a multitude of problems such as
time-outs and account setting changes. Your up-to-date A/V program will
continue to protect you sufficiently. For more, see:
http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3

In Tools | Options | Maintenance: Uncheck Compact messages in background and
leave it unchecked. {N/A if running XP/SP2}.

And backup often.

Backup & Resto
http://www.insideoutlookexpress.com/backup/

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 07:27:08 -0800, "Bruce Hagen"
wrote:

Along with what Frank said.

In general:

Have all rules that divert mail to folders first.

Delete it from server next.

All others last.

Make sure that every rule, except diverting rules, also have Stop processing
more rules checked, unless that option is grayed out.

How to set up OE Message Rules:
http://www.oeupdates.com/outlook-exp...lock-spam.html

http://www.timeatlas.com/mos/Email/O...tlook_Express/

http://www.jackieswebworks.com/outlo...ss%20notes.htm

Some Message Rule Ideas:
http://www.mindspring.com/~majik/messagerules.htm

Some tips:
http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/tips/rules.htm

Message Rules not working?:
http://www.tomsterdam.com/insideoe/faqs/why.htm#rules

General precautions for Outlook Express:

Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually become
corrupt. Create your own user defined folders for storing mail and move your
mail to them. Empty Deleted Items folder regularly. Keep user created
folders under 100MB, and Default folders as empty as is feasible.

After you are done, follow up by compacting your folders manually while
working *offline* and do it often.

Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so no folders are
open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click Working Online in the
Status Bar). File | Folder | Compact all folders. Don't touch anything until
the compacting is completed.

Turn off e-mail scanning in your anti-virus program. It is a redundant layer
of protection that eats up CPUs and causes a multitude of problems such as
time-outs and account setting changes. Your up-to-date A/V program will
continue to protect you sufficiently. For more, see:
http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3

In Tools | Options | Maintenance: Uncheck Compact messages in background and
leave it unchecked. {N/A if running XP/SP2}.

And backup often.

Backup & Resto
http://www.insideoutlookexpress.com/backup/
Bruce
Well, I am interested in the 'have rules that divert mail first' note
above....I am assuming you mean those that have 'move' as opposed to
'Copy' or 'delete'. I don't do delete from server, although I probably
should.
Did all that was suggested, but still the rules are not being
used....actually, the rule that says to copy all mail to another
folder does work--thankfully.
Additionally, if I pick any rule, and 'Apply' it, the thing does what
it is supposed to do.
Oh well, at least I am getting email.....


Thanks again,
Joe

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 01:41:24 -0500, up for the game
wrote:

Hi
Kind of unclear as how to present this, but....
I have a couple of dozen or so OE rules, most of which I have had for
a number of years and they have worked well.
Thankfully, one of them--the first one--copies ALL email to another
folder and then the successive ones work with individual folders. So,
I have a copy of all the email, which is needed now as OE seems to
periodically either 'drop' messages from files, or decides to just go
back a few weeks and not show the recent emails. Usually a restart of
the application 'brings the recently dropped messages' back to where
they belong.

Once or twice, the messages did not return and I needed to purchase
recovery software to do so as one time it was the 'Sent' box that was
not recovered....and, since I do a lot of my business via emailed
estimates, problems were sure to happen.

I believe OE application/data is corrupt and, yes, I have backup, but
even if it is a few days old, it will be problems. As mentioned, I
have a copy of all the incoming messages, so things are not so bad.

However, I believe it is time to try to nail down the culprit and I
think a good place to start would be the rules...all of which have the
stop processing more rules entry.

I have also thought a lot about moving to Pegasus or Mozilla mail,
but, as explained in earlier posts, I am concerned about maximum
mailbox folders/sizes.

I would appreciate any ideas on any of the above topics.

Thanks In Advance
Joe


After OE came up and showed the newest message to be about 5 months
old.....I needed to go back to the previous days backup...when the
restore completed, the rules worked. Still a bit flaky with regard to
retrieval errors, but a retry seems to deal with it OK. Sometimes
backups do actually work out.

Thanks for the help. I will not do the Compact all messages again---it
was right after that process that the last 5 months messages
disappeared. I had read about this phenomenon before.

Joe

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

"up for the game" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 07:27:08 -0800, "Bruce Hagen"
wrote:

Along with what Frank said.

In general:

Have all rules that divert mail to folders first.

Delete it from server next.

All others last.

Make sure that every rule, except diverting rules, also have Stop
processing
more rules checked, unless that option is grayed out.

How to set up OE Message Rules:
http://www.oeupdates.com/outlook-exp...lock-spam.html

http://www.timeatlas.com/mos/Email/O...tlook_Express/

http://www.jackieswebworks.com/outlo...ss%20notes.htm

Some Message Rule Ideas:
http://www.mindspring.com/~majik/messagerules.htm

Some tips:
http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/tips/rules.htm

Message Rules not working?:
http://www.tomsterdam.com/insideoe/faqs/why.htm#rules

General precautions for Outlook Express:

Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually become
corrupt. Create your own user defined folders for storing mail and move
your
mail to them. Empty Deleted Items folder regularly. Keep user created
folders under 100MB, and Default folders as empty as is feasible.

After you are done, follow up by compacting your folders manually while
working *offline* and do it often.

Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so no folders are
open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click Working Online in the
Status Bar). File | Folder | Compact all folders. Don't touch anything
until
the compacting is completed.

Turn off e-mail scanning in your anti-virus program. It is a redundant
layer
of protection that eats up CPUs and causes a multitude of problems such as
time-outs and account setting changes. Your up-to-date A/V program will
continue to protect you sufficiently. For more, see:
http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3

In Tools | Options | Maintenance: Uncheck Compact messages in background
and
leave it unchecked. {N/A if running XP/SP2}.

And backup often.

Backup & Resto
http://www.insideoutlookexpress.com/backup/
Bruce
Well, I am interested in the 'have rules that divert mail first' note
above....I am assuming you mean those that have 'move' as opposed to
'Copy' or 'delete'. I don't do delete from server, although I probably
should.
Did all that was suggested, but still the rules are not being
used....actually, the rule that says to copy all mail to another
folder does work--thankfully.
Additionally, if I pick any rule, and 'Apply' it, the thing does what
it is supposed to do.
Oh well, at least I am getting email.....

All mails that move messages to a different folder must also have the action
to Stop processing more rules or a later rule will over ride them.

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
http://www.fjsmjs.com

On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 07:10:32 -0600, "Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM"
wrote:

"up for the game" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 07:27:08 -0800, "Bruce Hagen"
wrote:

Along with what Frank said.

In general:

Have all rules that divert mail to folders first.

Delete it from server next.

All others last.

Make sure that every rule, except diverting rules, also have Stop
processing
more rules checked, unless that option is grayed out.

How to set up OE Message Rules:
http://www.oeupdates.com/outlook-exp...lock-spam.html

http://www.timeatlas.com/mos/Email/O...tlook_Express/

http://www.jackieswebworks.com/outlo...ss%20notes.htm

Some Message Rule Ideas:
http://www.mindspring.com/~majik/messagerules.htm

Some tips:
http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/tips/rules.htm

Message Rules not working?:
http://www.tomsterdam.com/insideoe/faqs/why.htm#rules

General precautions for Outlook Express:

Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually become
corrupt. Create your own user defined folders for storing mail and move
your
mail to them. Empty Deleted Items folder regularly. Keep user created
folders under 100MB, and Default folders as empty as is feasible.

After you are done, follow up by compacting your folders manually while
working *offline* and do it often.

Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so no folders are
open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click Working Online in the
Status Bar). File | Folder | Compact all folders. Don't touch anything
until
the compacting is completed.

Turn off e-mail scanning in your anti-virus program. It is a redundant
layer
of protection that eats up CPUs and causes a multitude of problems such as
time-outs and account setting changes. Your up-to-date A/V program will
continue to protect you sufficiently. For more, see:
http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3

In Tools | Options | Maintenance: Uncheck Compact messages in background
and
leave it unchecked. {N/A if running XP/SP2}.

And backup often.

Backup & Resto
http://www.insideoutlookexpress.com/backup/
Bruce
Well, I am interested in the 'have rules that divert mail first' note
above....I am assuming you mean those that have 'move' as opposed to
'Copy' or 'delete'. I don't do delete from server, although I probably
should.
Did all that was suggested, but still the rules are not being
used....actually, the rule that says to copy all mail to another
folder does work--thankfully.
Additionally, if I pick any rule, and 'Apply' it, the thing does what
it is supposed to do.
Oh well, at least I am getting email.....

All mails that move messages to a different folder must also have the action
to Stop processing more rules or a later rule will over ride them.

Frank
does copy to folders follow the same stop processing parameter?
Joe

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

No, because Copy is a different action.

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
http://www.fjsmjs.com


"Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM" wrote in message
...
"up for the game" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 07:27:08 -0800, "Bruce Hagen"
wrote:

Along with what Frank said.

In general:

Have all rules that divert mail to folders first.

Delete it from server next.

All others last.

Make sure that every rule, except diverting rules, also have Stop
processing
more rules checked, unless that option is grayed out.

How to set up OE Message Rules:
http://www.oeupdates.com/outlook-exp...lock-spam.html

http://www.timeatlas.com/mos/Email/O...tlook_Express/

http://www.jackieswebworks.com/outlo...ss%20notes.htm

Some Message Rule Ideas:
http://www.mindspring.com/~majik/messagerules.htm

Some tips:
http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/tips/rules.htm

Message Rules not working?:
http://www.tomsterdam.com/insideoe/faqs/why.htm#rules

General precautions for Outlook Express:

Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually become
corrupt. Create your own user defined folders for storing mail and move
your
mail to them. Empty Deleted Items folder regularly. Keep user created
folders under 100MB, and Default folders as empty as is feasible.

After you are done, follow up by compacting your folders manually while
working *offline* and do it often.

Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so no folders are
open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click Working Online in the
Status Bar). File | Folder | Compact all folders. Don't touch anything
until
the compacting is completed.

Turn off e-mail scanning in your anti-virus program. It is a redundant
layer
of protection that eats up CPUs and causes a multitude of problems such
as
time-outs and account setting changes. Your up-to-date A/V program will
continue to protect you sufficiently. For more, see:
http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3

In Tools | Options | Maintenance: Uncheck Compact messages in background
and
leave it unchecked. {N/A if running XP/SP2}.

And backup often.

Backup & Resto
http://www.insideoutlookexpress.com/backup/
Bruce
Well, I am interested in the 'have rules that divert mail first' note
above....I am assuming you mean those that have 'move' as opposed to
'Copy' or 'delete'. I don't do delete from server, although I probably
should.
Did all that was suggested, but still the rules are not being
used....actually, the rule that says to copy all mail to another
folder does work--thankfully.
Additionally, if I pick any rule, and 'Apply' it, the thing does what
it is supposed to do.
Oh well, at least I am getting email.....

All mails that move messages to a different folder must also have the
action to Stop processing more rules or a later rule will over ride them.

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
http://www.fjsmjs.com