Hi everyone,

I am running xpsp2 and use OE 6...

I compact all folders in OE on a regular basis (ie every day), and have been
doing this for a long time. I just noticed something today that I never
noticed before (I don't think - or at least not on a regular basis). When I
click "compact all folders" it puts up two boxes (the one I'm used to in the
center, and a "new one" that I do not recall, which says "copying", and is
located to the upper left of the regular box in the center. After the upper
left box gets done copying whatever it is copying, it closes and then the
center box finishes the compacting process.

Can someone please tell me what could have caused this second box to appear
all of a sudden. I seriously doubt it has anything to do with any of the
windows security updates (I just updated windows today). Could something be
wrong here.

Thanks for any help you can provide...Pete

It is copying your existing DBX files from the message store folder to the
Recycle Bin as a precaution against damage to the DBX files so that you will
not "lose" your stored messages. A KB article will be released, hopefully
in a short while explaining all of this, but in the meantime, see the info
here (in the red box under Tip #2):
http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2
--
Jim Pickering, MVP/Windows Mail applications
Please reply ONLY to newsgroup.





"Pete" wrote in message
...
Hi everyone,

I am running xpsp2 and use OE 6...

I compact all folders in OE on a regular basis (ie every day), and have
been doing this for a long time. I just noticed something today that I
never noticed before (I don't think - or at least not on a regular basis).
When I click "compact all folders" it puts up two boxes (the one I'm used
to in the center, and a "new one" that I do not recall, which says
"copying", and is located to the upper left of the regular box in the
center. After the upper left box gets done copying whatever it is
copying, it closes and then the center box finishes the compacting
process.

Can someone please tell me what could have caused this second box to
appear all of a sudden. I seriously doubt it has anything to do with any
of the windows security updates (I just updated windows today). Could
something be wrong here.

Thanks for any help you can provide...Pete

Thanks Jim... Can you tell me how to get it to stop copying the files to the
recycle bin. What a bunch of crap. If there is no way to stop it I will
have to stop my regular compacting and just wait for windows to notify me
every 100 openings of OE, and then empty the recycle bin immediately.
Thanks...Pete

PS - but I do understand the logic for protection against corruption.


Jim Pickering wrote:
It is copying your existing DBX files from the message store folder
to the Recycle Bin as a precaution against damage to the DBX files so
that you will not "lose" your stored messages. A KB article will be
released, hopefully in a short while explaining all of this, but in
the meantime, see the info here (in the red box under Tip #2):
http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2

"Pete" wrote in message
...
Hi everyone,

I am running xpsp2 and use OE 6...

I compact all folders in OE on a regular basis (ie every day), and
have been doing this for a long time. I just noticed something
today that I never noticed before (I don't think - or at least not
on a regular basis). When I click "compact all folders" it puts up
two boxes (the one I'm used to in the center, and a "new one" that I
do not recall, which says "copying", and is located to the upper
left of the regular box in the center. After the upper left box
gets done copying whatever it is copying, it closes and then the
center box finishes the compacting process.

Can someone please tell me what could have caused this second box to
appear all of a sudden. I seriously doubt it has anything to do
with any of the windows security updates (I just updated windows
today). Could something be wrong here.

Thanks for any help you can provide...Pete

If I may offer my 2¢, I believe the original idea was that a second compact
would overwrite the first, so there would never be more than one copy of the
dbx files in the Recycle Bin. Obviously, this is not the case.

AFAIK, the only way to stop the copying of the files to the Recycle Bin
would be to remove the update, but not a good idea.

I use CCleaner. A freeware tool that empties the Recycle Bin, deletes TIFs,
Cookies, History, whatever you want. It is very fast and can also be set to
run at startup if you wish. Have a look.

CCleaner:
http://www.ccleaner.com/
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Pete" wrote in message
...
Thanks Jim... Can you tell me how to get it to stop copying the files to
the
recycle bin. What a bunch of crap. If there is no way to stop it I will
have to stop my regular compacting and just wait for windows to notify me
every 100 openings of OE, and then empty the recycle bin immediately.
Thanks...Pete

PS - but I do understand the logic for protection against corruption.


Jim Pickering wrote:
It is copying your existing DBX files from the message store folder
to the Recycle Bin as a precaution against damage to the DBX files so
that you will not "lose" your stored messages. A KB article will be
released, hopefully in a short while explaining all of this, but in
the meantime, see the info here (in the red box under Tip #2):
http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2

"Pete" wrote in message
...
Hi everyone,

I am running xpsp2 and use OE 6...

I compact all folders in OE on a regular basis (ie every day), and
have been doing this for a long time. I just noticed something
today that I never noticed before (I don't think - or at least not
on a regular basis). When I click "compact all folders" it puts up
two boxes (the one I'm used to in the center, and a "new one" that I
do not recall, which says "copying", and is located to the upper
left of the regular box in the center. After the upper left box
gets done copying whatever it is copying, it closes and then the
center box finishes the compacting process.

Can someone please tell me what could have caused this second box to
appear all of a sudden. I seriously doubt it has anything to do
with any of the windows security updates (I just updated windows
today). Could something be wrong here.

Thanks for any help you can provide...Pete

Thanks Bruce...I know how to deal with this. It indeed dumped 895 MB in my
recycle bin after just a few compactions (testing), so it did not overwrite
(I don't think) - lol .

As an aside all of the MS updates are not always "gold". I tried to update
to IE 7.0 and it locked me up everytime I exited - lots of problems with IE
7 - hp interface problems, etc. I had to uninstall it and go back to
version 6. IMO, Firefox is way better than IE anyway but you need IE to do
update windows, so I hope 6.0 will be around for a while.

I do like OE better than Thunderbird though (lots of reasons - all of which
the Mozilla people disagree with of course).

Take care...Pete :-)

Bruce Hagen wrote:
If I may offer my 2¢, I believe the original idea was that a second
compact would overwrite the first, so there would never be more than
one copy of the dbx files in the Recycle Bin. Obviously, this is not
the case.
AFAIK, the only way to stop the copying of the files to the Recycle
Bin would be to remove the update, but not a good idea.

I use CCleaner. A freeware tool that empties the Recycle Bin, deletes
TIFs, Cookies, History, whatever you want. It is very fast and can
also be set to run at startup if you wish. Have a look.

CCleaner:
http://www.ccleaner.com/

"Pete" wrote in message
...
Thanks Jim... Can you tell me how to get it to stop copying the
files to the
recycle bin. What a bunch of crap. If there is no way to stop it I
will have to stop my regular compacting and just wait for windows to
notify me every 100 openings of OE, and then empty the recycle bin
immediately. Thanks...Pete

PS - but I do understand the logic for protection against corruption.


Jim Pickering wrote:
It is copying your existing DBX files from the message store folder
to the Recycle Bin as a precaution against damage to the DBX files
so that you will not "lose" your stored messages. A KB article
will be released, hopefully in a short while explaining all of
this, but in the meantime, see the info here (in the red box under
Tip #2): http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2

"Pete" wrote in message
...
Hi everyone,

I am running xpsp2 and use OE 6...

I compact all folders in OE on a regular basis (ie every day), and
have been doing this for a long time. I just noticed something
today that I never noticed before (I don't think - or at least not
on a regular basis). When I click "compact all folders" it puts up
two boxes (the one I'm used to in the center, and a "new one" that
I do not recall, which says "copying", and is located to the upper
left of the regular box in the center. After the upper left box
gets done copying whatever it is copying, it closes and then the
center box finishes the compacting process.

Can someone please tell me what could have caused this second box
to appear all of a sudden. I seriously doubt it has anything to do
with any of the windows security updates (I just updated windows
today). Could something be wrong here.

Thanks for any help you can provide...Pete

"Pete" wrote in message
...
Thanks Jim... Can you tell me how to get it to stop copying the files to
the
recycle bin. What a bunch of crap. If there is no way to stop it I will
have to stop my regular compacting and just wait for windows to notify me
every 100 openings of OE, and then empty the recycle bin immediately.
Thanks...Pete


You only need to compact if you do a lot of deletions and moving around with
large folders. And you can compact the folders individually. Or if you
have huge messages of several megabytes that are being shifted so the
folders grow very large.


PS - but I do understand the logic for protection against corruption.


There is a huge issue of compaction causing problems with message loss for
OE users. This patch is a stopgap measure to help prevent loss during
compaction. If the user compacts now and it fails, then the lost messages
can be recovered from the recycle bin. Its a backup for your important
messages. Too many OE users were all of sudden finding out their messages
for years and years were all gone irrecoverably in an instant. Something
needed to be done.

See here for details: www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2

steve



Jim Pickering wrote:
It is copying your existing DBX files from the message store folder
to the Recycle Bin as a precaution against damage to the DBX files so
that you will not "lose" your stored messages. A KB article will be
released, hopefully in a short while explaining all of this, but in
the meantime, see the info here (in the red box under Tip #2):
http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2

"Pete" wrote in message
...
Hi everyone,

I am running xpsp2 and use OE 6...

I compact all folders in OE on a regular basis (ie every day), and
have been doing this for a long time. I just noticed something
today that I never noticed before (I don't think - or at least not
on a regular basis). When I click "compact all folders" it puts up
two boxes (the one I'm used to in the center, and a "new one" that I
do not recall, which says "copying", and is located to the upper
left of the regular box in the center. After the upper left box
gets done copying whatever it is copying, it closes and then the
center box finishes the compacting process.

Can someone please tell me what could have caused this second box to
appear all of a sudden. I seriously doubt it has anything to do
with any of the windows security updates (I just updated windows
today). Could something be wrong here.

Thanks for any help you can provide...Pete

Steve...thanks to you also. I am relatively familiar with compacting and do
have oodles of "stuff" in OE, plus my ng messages (many of which I copy to a
folder), and it was my understanding that deletions don't "really take
place" until you compact all folders.

At any rate, I have been aware of the corruption problem and believe it or
not it has never happened to me that I know of :-) . I am very careful when
compacting (manually or by the notification), NOT to even get close to the
mouse after very crisply hitting the left button - lol. It is amazing the
things that can happen to a pc if you accidentally hit two buttons or keys
at the same time.

I read the OETips that you and Jim both mentioned. Thanks again...Pete

Steve Cochran wrote:
"Pete" wrote in message
...
Thanks Jim... Can you tell me how to get it to stop copying the
files to the
recycle bin. What a bunch of crap. If there is no way to stop it I
will have to stop my regular compacting and just wait for windows to
notify me every 100 openings of OE, and then empty the recycle bin
immediately. Thanks...Pete


You only need to compact if you do a lot of deletions and moving
around with large folders. And you can compact the folders
individually. Or if you have huge messages of several megabytes that
are being shifted so the folders grow very large.


PS - but I do understand the logic for protection against corruption.


There is a huge issue of compaction causing problems with message
loss for OE users. This patch is a stopgap measure to help prevent
loss during compaction. If the user compacts now and it fails, then
the lost messages can be recovered from the recycle bin. Its a
backup for your important messages. Too many OE users were all of
sudden finding out their messages for years and years were all gone
irrecoverably in an instant. Something needed to be done.

See here for details: www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2

steve



Jim Pickering wrote:
It is copying your existing DBX files from the message store folder
to the Recycle Bin as a precaution against damage to the DBX files
so that you will not "lose" your stored messages. A KB article
will be released, hopefully in a short while explaining all of
this, but in the meantime, see the info here (in the red box under
Tip #2): http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2

"Pete" wrote in message
...
Hi everyone,

I am running xpsp2 and use OE 6...

I compact all folders in OE on a regular basis (ie every day), and
have been doing this for a long time. I just noticed something
today that I never noticed before (I don't think - or at least not
on a regular basis). When I click "compact all folders" it puts up
two boxes (the one I'm used to in the center, and a "new one" that
I do not recall, which says "copying", and is located to the upper
left of the regular box in the center. After the upper left box
gets done copying whatever it is copying, it closes and then the
center box finishes the compacting process.

Can someone please tell me what could have caused this second box
to appear all of a sudden. I seriously doubt it has anything to do
with any of the windows security updates (I just updated windows
today). Could something be wrong here.

Thanks for any help you can provide...Pete