I'm trying to set up a certain Message Rule, but can't get it to do what I'd
like. Normally, I keep all of my mail on the server. However, whenever I
get "junk mail" in Outlook Express, I'd like to automatically delete it from
the server, as well. I've created plenty of Message Rules, so I know how
they work. I created a rule that uses the "Delete from server" action,
based on specific criteria of what I consider "junk mail". And that part
works.

In other words, whenever a message arrives that matches my "junk mail"
criteria, it does get deleted from my mail server. HOWEVER... I do NOT
receive the mail in Outlook Express! It's just "gone". It appears that
"Delete from server" also seems to imply "And don't deliver to my Inbox".
But that's exactly what I *want* it to do. I'd like the mail delivered to
my OE Inbox, AND deleted from the server.

I even tried to create two separate Message Rules, using the same selection
criteria. The first says "for any matches, Copy this message to a folder
called Test". A second, and totally separate, Message Rule says "for any
matches, Delete from server". And still, even in this case, the message
does get deleted from the server, but it does NOT end up in the Test folder.
It's just gone.

Any suggestions on how to do both of these -- keep the message in OE *and*
delete it from the server???
------------------------------------------
Frank D. Nicodem, Jr.

A Delete it from server rule will not download the message and it will also
delete it from the server, even if you have Leave a copy of messages on the
server checked. Unfortunately, you're trying to have your cake and eat it
too.

If you want messages with certain criteria downloaded, you can't use the
action to Delete it from server.

How to set up OE Message Rules:
http://www.oeupdates.com/outlook-exp...lock-spam.html

http://www.timeatlas.com/mos/Email/O...tlook_Express/

http://www.jackieswebworks.com/outlo...ss%20notes.htm

Some Message Rule Ideas:
http://www.mindspring.com/~majik/messagerules.htm

Some tips:
http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/tips/rules.htm

Message Rules not working?:
http://www.tomsterdam.com/insideoe/faqs/why.htm#rules
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Frank D. Nicodem, Jr." wrote in message
...
I'm trying to set up a certain Message Rule, but can't get it to do what
I'd like. Normally, I keep all of my mail on the server. However,
whenever I get "junk mail" in Outlook Express, I'd like to automatically
delete it from the server, as well. I've created plenty of Message Rules,
so I know how they work. I created a rule that uses the "Delete from
server" action, based on specific criteria of what I consider "junk mail".
And that part works.

In other words, whenever a message arrives that matches my "junk mail"
criteria, it does get deleted from my mail server. HOWEVER... I do NOT
receive the mail in Outlook Express! It's just "gone". It appears that
"Delete from server" also seems to imply "And don't deliver to my Inbox".
But that's exactly what I *want* it to do. I'd like the mail delivered to
my OE Inbox, AND deleted from the server.

I even tried to create two separate Message Rules, using the same
selection criteria. The first says "for any matches, Copy this message to
a folder called Test". A second, and totally separate, Message Rule says
"for any matches, Delete from server". And still, even in this case, the
message does get deleted from the server, but it does NOT end up in the
Test folder. It's just gone.

Any suggestions on how to do both of these -- keep the message in OE *and*
delete it from the server???
------------------------------------------
Frank D. Nicodem, Jr.

"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
...
A Delete it from server rule will not download the message and it will also
delete it from the server, even if you have Leave a copy of messages on the
server checked. Unfortunately, you're trying to have your cake and eat it
too.

Thanks for the tip. I'm just a bit baffled as to why what I'm trying to do
can't be done! It sure seems like there's no "conflict" in what I want to
accomplish. As I already mentioned, I have chosen to leave E-mail on my
server; and all I want to do is to download EVERYTHING -- and then *AFTER*
that, I want to apply some message rules (such as moving certain messages to
other folders, automatically deleting "spam", etc.). And one of the things
I'd like to do is to "delete from server" anything that I consider worthless
to keep (even though I'd still like to download it and check it out first).

So that seems like two totally separate and independent steps: 1) retrieve
my E-mail and let me evaluate it based on messages rules; and 2) under
certain conditions, remove the original from the server -- but leave it on
my E-mail client. That sure seems like it should be do-able...

Some tips:
http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/tips/rules.htm

This was the most helpful article -- although, once again, I'm baffled by
WHY it works the way it does. For now, I guess I have to just bite the
bullet, and remove the Message Rule, let the E-mail download into my Inbox
folder, and then go back and manually delete messages from my server that I
don't want to keep. Sure sounds like an unnecessary hassle.

But thanks for the help!
------------------------------------
Frank D. Nicodem., Jr.

Frank D. Nicodem, Jr. wrote:

"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
...
A Delete it from server rule will not download the message and it will also
delete it from the server, even if you have Leave a copy of messages on the
server checked. Unfortunately, you're trying to have your cake and eat it
too.

Thanks for the tip. I'm just a bit baffled as to why what I'm trying to do
can't be done! It sure seems like there's no "conflict" in what I want to
accomplish. As I already mentioned, I have chosen to leave E-mail on my
server; and all I want to do is to download EVERYTHING -- and then *AFTER*
that, I want to apply some message rules (such as moving certain messages to
other folders, automatically deleting "spam", etc.). And one of the things
I'd like to do is to "delete from server" anything that I consider worthless
to keep (even though I'd still like to download it and check it out first).

So that seems like two totally separate and independent steps: 1) retrieve
my E-mail and let me evaluate it based on messages rules; and 2) under
certain conditions, remove the original from the server -- but leave it on
my E-mail client. That sure seems like it should be do-able...

*Perhaps* if you change your requirements a little, it *is* doable,
but you will have to test it or/and the MVPs (or others) in this group
have to say whether it works or not.

What I am thinking of is to have a message rule or set of rules which
does with your desired mail what you want and for any spam tick the "Copy
it to the specified folder" *and* the "Delete it" Actions.

Then do Tools - Accounts... - Mail - click on desired account -
Properties - Advanced. You will have "Leave a copy of messages on the
server" option ticked. Now also tick "Remove from server when deleted
from 'Deleted Items'" option.

What I think (hope? :-)) will happen is that the message rule will
copy any spam to a spam folder *and* 'delete' it. 'delete' probably
means 'put it in the Deleted Items folder'. Now if you delete the spam
from the Deleted Items folder, either manually or automatically, I
think/hope the spam will be deleted from your server, which is what you
want. I.e.

- Valid mail in folders and on server.

- Spam in folder, but not on server.

I hope this helps.

[deleted]

What you want to do may seem reasonable to you, but it's not the way
Outlook Express was written.

There are 2 ways that OE will delete message from the server.

1) Via a message rule with an action of Delete from Server. This just
downloads the message header, sees if the message meets the criteria,
and if so, tells the server to delete the message. The downloaded
message header is thrown away and the message body is never downloaded.
This is designed to get rid of message you never want to see and don't
want to waste time even downloading. Especially helpful for large
messages on a dial-up line

2) Tools, Accounts, Mail, Properties, Advanced, Leave a copy on the
server. This applies only to messages downloaded in their entirety. If
you don't check the option, then for every message you download OE sends
a delete command to the mail server. If you do check the option, then
OE doesn't send the delete command unless/until the message meets the
further criteria that you might enable there.

And those are you options in OE.

--

Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm


"Frank D. Nicodem, Jr." wrote in message
...

"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
...
A Delete it from server rule will not download the message and it will
also delete it from the server, even if you have Leave a copy of
messages on the server checked. Unfortunately, you're trying to have
your cake and eat it too.

Thanks for the tip. I'm just a bit baffled as to why what I'm trying
to do can't be done! It sure seems like there's no "conflict" in what
I want to accomplish. As I already mentioned, I have chosen to leave
E-mail on my server; and all I want to do is to download EVERYTHING --
and then *AFTER* that, I want to apply some message rules (such as
moving certain messages to other folders, automatically deleting
"spam", etc.). And one of the things I'd like to do is to "delete
from server" anything that I consider worthless to keep (even though
I'd still like to download it and check it out first).

So that seems like two totally separate and independent steps: 1)
retrieve my E-mail and let me evaluate it based on messages rules; and
2) under certain conditions, remove the original from the server --
but leave it on my E-mail client. That sure seems like it should be
do-able...

Some tips:
http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/tips/rules.htm

This was the most helpful article -- although, once again, I'm baffled
by WHY it works the way it does. For now, I guess I have to just bite
the bullet, and remove the Message Rule, let the E-mail download into
my Inbox folder, and then go back and manually delete messages from my
server that I don't want to keep. Sure sounds like an unnecessary
hassle.

But thanks for the help!
------------------------------------
Frank D. Nicodem., Jr.