Outlook Express and vista
 

Vista apparently has something new replacing outlook express. Is that new
email program available to run under Windows XP or does it require Vista?

Jeff

Outlook Express and vista
 

Vista uses Windows Mail. Not available on any other OS. You can get Windows
Live Mail desktop, (beta) if you want. Some like it, but I'm not impressed
at all.

Windows Live Mail desktop:
http://www.bryanstarbuck.com/2006/09...s_live_ma.html
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Jeff" wrote in message
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Vista apparently has something new replacing outlook express. Is that new
email program available to run under Windows XP or does it require Vista?

Jeff

Outlook Express and vista
 

"N. Miller" wrote in message
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On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 07:47:57 -0700, Bruce Hagen wrote:

Vista uses Windows Mail. Not available on any other OS. You can get
Windows
Live Mail desktop, (beta) if you want. Some like it, but I'm not
impressed
at all.

It is slightly better than MS Outlook Express. But almost *anything*
recent
is at least slightly better than MS Outlook Express. MSOE is a Model T on
the information super highway.


I can't think of anything about it that I find better than OE besides the
improved message store.

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
http://www.fjsmjs.com
Answer in newsgroup. Don't expect an answer to email.

Outlook Express and Thunderbird
 

N. Miller wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:54:09 -0500, Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
wrote:

"N. Miller" wrote in message
...

On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 07:47:57 -0700, Bruce Hagen wrote:

Vista uses Windows Mail. Not available on any other OS. You can get
Windows
Live Mail desktop, (beta) if you want. Some like it, but I'm not
impressed
at all.

It is slightly better than MS Outlook Express. But almost *anything*
recent
is at least slightly better than MS Outlook Express. MSOE is a
Model T on the information super highway.

I can't think of anything about it that I find better than OE
besides the improved message store.

Its handling of signature separators is an improvement. Not by much;
it still doesn't properly strip signatures in reply. But it does add
a proper sig-sep, unlikd MSOE.

It can be configured to place the cursor for bottom posting.

It seems a tad more robust against message store corruption.

MSOE6 is not even close to the improvement over MSOE4 that the
Netscape 6.x message client is over the Netscape 4 message client.
And the Netscape 6.x message client has be left in the dust by
Mozilla Thunderbird

MSOE6 is still just a Model T amidst Saturns, and Cadillacs on the
information superhighway.

Why is Thunderbird so much better? Just trying to learn.

Outlook Express and vista
 

"N. Miller" wrote in message
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On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:54:09 -0500, Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM wrote:

I can't think of anything about it that I find better than OE besides the
improved message store.

Its handling of signature separators is an improvement. Not by much; it
still doesn't properly strip signatures in reply. But it does add a proper
sig-sep, unlikd MSOE.

It can be configured to place the cursor for bottom posting.

So can OE6. Just not as easily.

It seems a tad more robust against message store corruption.

I mentioned the improved message store.

MSOE6 is not even close to the improvement over MSOE4 that the Netscape
6.x
message client is over the Netscape 4 message client. And the Netscape 6.x
message client has be left in the dust by Mozilla Thunderbird

I agree. But neither is WLMD.

MSOE6 is still just a Model T amidst Saturns, and Cadillacs on the
information superhighway.

A metaphore isn't an argument.

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
http://www.fjsmjs.com
Answer in newsgroup. Don't expect an answer to email.

Outlook Express and Thunderbird
 

"Jeff" wrote in message
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N. Miller wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:54:09 -0500, Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
wrote:

"N. Miller" wrote in message
...

On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 07:47:57 -0700, Bruce Hagen wrote:

Vista uses Windows Mail. Not available on any other OS. You can get
Windows
Live Mail desktop, (beta) if you want. Some like it, but I'm not
impressed
at all.

It is slightly better than MS Outlook Express. But almost *anything*
recent
is at least slightly better than MS Outlook Express. MSOE is a
Model T on the information super highway.

I can't think of anything about it that I find better than OE
besides the improved message store.

Its handling of signature separators is an improvement. Not by much;
it still doesn't properly strip signatures in reply. But it does add
a proper sig-sep, unlikd MSOE.

It can be configured to place the cursor for bottom posting.

It seems a tad more robust against message store corruption.

MSOE6 is not even close to the improvement over MSOE4 that the
Netscape 6.x message client is over the Netscape 4 message client.
And the Netscape 6.x message client has be left in the dust by
Mozilla Thunderbird

MSOE6 is still just a Model T amidst Saturns, and Cadillacs on the
information superhighway.

Why is Thunderbird so much better? Just trying to learn.


My experience so far is that WLMD would be my preference if they could get
it to work as well as OE does for both POP mail and Newsgroups, however when
it comes down to the time taken handling newsgroups Thunderbird seems to
leave them both way behind, I can't think why this should be so for OE but
for WLMD it is likely to be something to do with the post ratings or some
such irrelevant nonsense.

Why they took out the "Mark all as read" function I cannot imagine,
obviously that's the sort of thing you'd expect from someone who's "Read all
about it" but never actually used it for reading newsgroups...

Charlie

The junk mail filtering is not good (To say the least)

Outlook Express and Thunderbird
 

"Charlie Tame" wrote in message
...

My experience so far is that WLMD would be my preference if they could get
it to work as well as OE does for both POP mail and Newsgroups, however
when it comes down to the time taken handling newsgroups Thunderbird seems
to leave them both way behind, I can't think why this should be so for OE
but for WLMD it is likely to be something to do with the post ratings or
some such irrelevant nonsense.

Why they took out the "Mark all as read" function I cannot imagine,
obviously that's the sort of thing you'd expect from someone who's "Read
all about it" but never actually used it for reading newsgroups...

Charlie

The junk mail filtering is not good (To say the least)

I hate to defend WLMD, but the junk mail filter does learn and gets pretty
good after a few weeks.

They also took out toolbar customization, which is still there in WinMail.



--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
http://www.fjsmjs.com
Answer in newsgroup. Don't expect an answer to email.

Outlook Express and vista
 

Windows Mail is a bit new, and they have to tune it up.

Once its tuned up it should perform as a BMW, and put your Cadillacs,
Saturns, and Tbirds in the dust.

G

steve

"N. Miller" wrote in message
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On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:54:09 -0500, Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM wrote:

"N. Miller" wrote in message
...

On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 07:47:57 -0700, Bruce Hagen wrote:

Vista uses Windows Mail. Not available on any other OS. You can get
Windows
Live Mail desktop, (beta) if you want. Some like it, but I'm not
impressed
at all.

It is slightly better than MS Outlook Express. But almost *anything*
recent
is at least slightly better than MS Outlook Express. MSOE is a Model T
on
the information super highway.

I can't think of anything about it that I find better than OE besides the
improved message store.

Its handling of signature separators is an improvement. Not by much; it
still doesn't properly strip signatures in reply. But it does add a proper
sig-sep, unlikd MSOE.

It can be configured to place the cursor for bottom posting.

It seems a tad more robust against message store corruption.

MSOE6 is not even close to the improvement over MSOE4 that the Netscape
6.x
message client is over the Netscape 4 message client. And the Netscape 6.x
message client has be left in the dust by Mozilla Thunderbird

MSOE6 is still just a Model T amidst Saturns, and Cadillacs on the
information superhighway.

--
Norman
~Shine, bright morning light,
~now in the air the spring is coming.
~Sweet, blowing wind,
~singing down the hills and valleys.

Outlook Express and Thunderbird
 

N. Miller wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 23:07:47 -0400, Jeff wrote:

Why is Thunderbird so much better? Just trying to learn.

It handles NNTP posting in a proper matter. Well, except for one
glitch about signatures, where it treats PGP signatures as
attachments.

MSOE always seemed to me to be a news client designed by a mail client
design team. NNTP and email are *not* quite the same thing, and a
proper new client *should* give a news poster proper methods for
handling news posts. Things like where the cursor is placed for
reply, and signature separator, among other things. MSOE has always
handled NNTP service badly.

I actually prefer a purpose-built news client; currently using 40tude
Dialog.

OK, I'm a long time OE user for both mail and newsgroups. Recently,
thinking about changing, I've tried Thunderbird and 40tude Dialog. For my
money (they're all free), OE is head and shoulders above the other two in
just simple ease of use and clarity of layout. I know the others are very
configurable, etc. but for just downloading and reading my newsgroups, I
find OE the most intuitive and simple to use. It just does the job without
too much fiddling.

I realize experts feel there are problems with where it puts replies to
messages (I use OE Quote-fix) but just fail to understand why so many
experts are down on OE. So, I think I wil stick with OE for now.

Let's hope it does not totally dissappear now that Vista is out. Maybe
someone will make it work in Vista.

Jeff