Compact messages
 

Cannot reproduce here.

Gary Walker wrote:
Perhaps not, but that's when cleanup quit including the
RB. It should be easy enough to simulate, give it a try.

"PA Bear" wrote in message
...
Installing MS06-076 (KB923964) would not have affected the behavior of
Disk Cleanup, Gary.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User)
AumHa VSOP & Admin; DTS-L.org

Gary Walker wrote:
I have a one question, and a couple of comments con-
cerning the fix that started that recycle bin "redundancy".

As I recall, prior to my update some time ago, I had
actually read about the update, and had to seek it out
by name/number. Windows update had never offered
that fix during any of my frequent update sessions.

Additionally, I can only claim coincidence here, but
sometime after that update my disk cleanup no longer
would include recycle bin even though selected. The
disk cleanup I'm describing is the Windows Explorer
propertiesdisk cleanup procedure. Prior to that .bak
update, the cleanup would empty the recycle bin. After
the .bak update, the recycle bin is left intact. That's ok,
though, as it kinda' makes sense because this could
destroy the .bak retentions.

Lastly, only as a point of curiosity, I've seen a few refer-
ences from Bruce Hagen where he'll describe that a
poster may/will be missing some important service.
The way the comments are phrased, combined with
the thread history, seems to indicate that the poster's
header contains information that can be used to identify
the OE service level. Have I misunderstood?


Thanks,


Gary



"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
...
Go to Windows Updates. You are missing at least two that directly
affect
OE. This is why you don't have the BAK files in your Recycle Bin when
you
compact. Don't rely on Automatic Updates to download everything.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Bobm0001" wrote in message
...
msoe.dll 600 2900 2869

"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Open OE | Help | About. In the box, scroll down to msoe.dll and post
the
numbers you see there.

What do you mean by using my delete file as a garbage pail? Are you
telling
me top clean it out more often?

Yes. As I said befo

General precautions for Outlook Express:

Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually
become
corrupt. Create your own user defined folders for storing mail and
move
your
mail to them. Empty Deleted Items folder regularly. Keep user created
folders under 100MB, and Default folders as empty as is feasible.

After you are done, follow up by compacting your folders manually
while
working *offline* and do it often.

Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so no folders
are
open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click Working Online in
the
Status Bar). File | Folder | Compact all folders. Don't touch
anything
until
the compacting is completed.

If I use the OEQB, does it overwrite the info that I had in it
previously?

You can set it to overwrite, or not.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Bobm0001" wrote in message
...
Thanks for your help. I'm getting there.

I don't have the msoe.dll patch. How do I get it? I went into
windows
update and they can't find it by the number.

Also,. I do not have a program that automatically cleans out the
Recycle
Bin.

What do you mean by using my delete file as a garbage pail? Are you
telling
me top clean it out more often?

If I use the OEQB, does it overwrite the info that I had in it
previously?

Thanks agin. You've been a big help.

"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Did you read the Help for OEQB? Did you create the requires folder?
http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/oeqb.htm

In OE | Help | About......., scroll down to msoe.dll. Are your
numbers
600.2900.3028? If not, then you're not fully patched and won't find
BAK
folders.

Do you have any program that automatically empties the Recycle Bin?
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Bobm0001" wrote in message
...
Thanks for your advice. I assume I'm fully patched. I have my
computer
set
to automatically update, yet I can't find BAK files in the Recycle
Bin.
Also, wshen I try to use OE Quick Backup, I keep getting a message
"Please
select a backup folder before proceding further." I'm embarassed
to
say I
don't know how to do this.

"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Why are you keeping messages in a garbage pail? (Deleted Items).

Why does OE insist on compacting folders when I close it?:
http://www.insideoe.com/faqs/why.htm#compact

Compacting your folders periodically is a must to keep OE
functioning
well
and at some point, you may lose all your saved messages if you
don't.
When
you delete, or move messages, the space they had used remains
until
you
compact.

See:
www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2

With SP2, automatic background compacting was removed due to
problems
it
caused. Now you will get a prompt to compact after 100 OE
closings,
which
you should do, and don't touch anything until it has finished.
See
this
for
more information:
http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm#compact

If you are fully patched, you will also now see a copy of your
dbx
files
being copied to the Recycle Bin as BAK files. Should something go
awry
when
compacting, the messages can easily be restored from this backup.
A
manual
compact will also reset the counter in the registry back to zero
now.

For more info, see the information outlined in red he
www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2

To keep things running smooth, and for faster compacting:

Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually
become
corrupt and you may lose mail. Create your own user defined
folders
for
storing mail and move your mail to them. Empty Deleted Items
folder
regularly. Keep user created folders under 100MB, and Default
folders
as
empty as is feasible.

And backup often.

Backup and Resto

http://www.insideoutlookexpress.com/backup/

http://www.oehelp.com/backup.aspx

http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/Default.aspx
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Bobm0001" wrote in message
...
About every four or five times I follow the compact messages
directions, I
lose 1-6 months of messages in either the deleted or send file.
Each
time,
I swear I'll never compact messages again, but OE wears me down
by
forcing
me
to reject the compacting.

Can I retreive the lost messages? How do I backup the messages
so I
don't
lose them permanently?

Compact messages
 

Nor do the files deployed in the update impact any system files related to the Recycle Bin or Disk Cleanup options.

There may be another possibility but the op did not provide any info, just in case..

A recycle bin damaged by a shutdown, disk cleanup, power surge etc can also occur if the Norton Protected Recycle Bin or similar software is employed. If the NPRB is present, purge all protected files, use the NPRB properties to rename as Recycle Bin, set double click to open Standard Recycle Bin, then disable NPRB on all drives. Restart then perform Disk Cleanup.
..winston



"PA Bear" wrote in message ...
: Cannot reproduce here.
:
: Gary Walker wrote:
: Perhaps not, but that's when cleanup quit including the
: RB. It should be easy enough to simulate, give it a try.
:
: "PA Bear" wrote in message
: ...
: Installing MS06-076 (KB923964) would not have affected the behavior of
: Disk Cleanup, Gary.
: --
: ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
: MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User)
: AumHa VSOP & Admin; DTS-L.org
:
: Gary Walker wrote:
: I have a one question, and a couple of comments con-
: cerning the fix that started that recycle bin "redundancy".
:
: As I recall, prior to my update some time ago, I had
: actually read about the update, and had to seek it out
: by name/number. Windows update had never offered
: that fix during any of my frequent update sessions.
:
: Additionally, I can only claim coincidence here, but
: sometime after that update my disk cleanup no longer
: would include recycle bin even though selected. The
: disk cleanup I'm describing is the Windows Explorer
: propertiesdisk cleanup procedure. Prior to that .bak
: update, the cleanup would empty the recycle bin. After
: the .bak update, the recycle bin is left intact. That's ok,
: though, as it kinda' makes sense because this could
: destroy the .bak retentions.
:
: Lastly, only as a point of curiosity, I've seen a few refer-
: ences from Bruce Hagen where he'll describe that a
: poster may/will be missing some important service.
: The way the comments are phrased, combined with
: the thread history, seems to indicate that the poster's
: header contains information that can be used to identify
: the OE service level. Have I misunderstood?
:
:
: Thanks,
:
:
: Gary
:
:
:
: "Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
: ...
: Go to Windows Updates. You are missing at least two that directly
: affect
: OE. This is why you don't have the BAK files in your Recycle Bin when
: you
: compact. Don't rely on Automatic Updates to download everything.
: --
: Bruce Hagen
: MS-MVP Outlook Express
: ~IB-CA~
:
: "Bobm0001" wrote in message
: ...
: msoe.dll 600 2900 2869
:
: "Bruce Hagen" wrote:
:
: Open OE | Help | About. In the box, scroll down to msoe.dll and post
: the
: numbers you see there.
:
: What do you mean by using my delete file as a garbage pail? Are you
: telling
: me top clean it out more often?
:
: Yes. As I said befo
:
: General precautions for Outlook Express:
:
: Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually
: become
: corrupt. Create your own user defined folders for storing mail and
: move
: your
: mail to them. Empty Deleted Items folder regularly. Keep user created
: folders under 100MB, and Default folders as empty as is feasible.
:
: After you are done, follow up by compacting your folders manually
: while
: working *offline* and do it often.
:
: Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so no folders
: are
: open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click Working Online in
: the
: Status Bar). File | Folder | Compact all folders. Don't touch
: anything
: until
: the compacting is completed.
:
: If I use the OEQB, does it overwrite the info that I had in it
: previously?
:
: You can set it to overwrite, or not.
: --
: Bruce Hagen
: MS-MVP Outlook Express
: ~IB-CA~
:
: "Bobm0001" wrote in message
: ...
: Thanks for your help. I'm getting there.
:
: I don't have the msoe.dll patch. How do I get it? I went into
: windows
: update and they can't find it by the number.
:
: Also,. I do not have a program that automatically cleans out the
: Recycle
: Bin.
:
: What do you mean by using my delete file as a garbage pail? Are you
: telling
: me top clean it out more often?
:
: If I use the OEQB, does it overwrite the info that I had in it
: previously?
:
: Thanks agin. You've been a big help.
:
: "Bruce Hagen" wrote:
:
: Did you read the Help for OEQB? Did you create the requires folder?
: http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/oeqb.htm
:
: In OE | Help | About......., scroll down to msoe.dll. Are your
: numbers
: 600.2900.3028? If not, then you're not fully patched and won't find
: BAK
: folders.
:
: Do you have any program that automatically empties the Recycle Bin?
: --
: Bruce Hagen
: MS-MVP Outlook Express
: ~IB-CA~
:
: "Bobm0001" wrote in message
: ...
: Thanks for your advice. I assume I'm fully patched. I have my
: computer
: set
: to automatically update, yet I can't find BAK files in the Recycle
: Bin.
: Also, wshen I try to use OE Quick Backup, I keep getting a message
: "Please
: select a backup folder before proceding further." I'm embarassed
: to
: say I
: don't know how to do this.
:
: "Bruce Hagen" wrote:
:
: Why are you keeping messages in a garbage pail? (Deleted Items).
:
: Why does OE insist on compacting folders when I close it?:
: http://www.insideoe.com/faqs/why.htm#compact
:
: Compacting your folders periodically is a must to keep OE
: functioning
: well
: and at some point, you may lose all your saved messages if you
: don't.
: When
: you delete, or move messages, the space they had used remains
: until
: you
: compact.
:
: See:
: www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2
:
: With SP2, automatic background compacting was removed due to
: problems
: it
: caused. Now you will get a prompt to compact after 100 OE
: closings,
: which
: you should do, and don't touch anything until it has finished.
: See
: this
: for
: more information:
: http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm#compact
:
: If you are fully patched, you will also now see a copy of your
: dbx
: files
: being copied to the Recycle Bin as BAK files. Should something go
: awry
: when
: compacting, the messages can easily be restored from this backup.
: A
: manual
: compact will also reset the counter in the registry back to zero
: now.
:
: For more info, see the information outlined in red he
: www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2
:
: To keep things running smooth, and for faster compacting:
:
: Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually
: become
: corrupt and you may lose mail. Create your own user defined
: folders
: for
: storing mail and move your mail to them. Empty Deleted Items
: folder
: regularly. Keep user created folders under 100MB, and Default
: folders
: as
: empty as is feasible.
:
: And backup often.
:
: Backup and Resto
:
: http://www.insideoutlookexpress.com/backup/
:
: http://www.oehelp.com/backup.aspx
:
: http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/Default.aspx
: --
: Bruce Hagen
: MS-MVP Outlook Express
: ~IB-CA~
:
: "Bobm0001" wrote in message
: ...
: About every four or five times I follow the compact messages
: directions, I
: lose 1-6 months of messages in either the deleted or send file.
: Each
: time,
: I swear I'll never compact messages again, but OE wears me down
: by
: forcing
: me
: to reject the compacting.
:
: Can I retreive the lost messages? How do I backup the messages
: so I
: don't
: lose them permanently?
: