Have you tried to compact each folder one-at-a-time? File | Folder |
Compact.
What folder(s) does it get stuck on? Clean them up.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"marrie" wrote in message
...
and as a follow up when I do that compact with OE closed, it still gets
stuck.

marrie

Bruce Hagen wrote:
: You are always going to get the prompt after 100 closings until you
: compact.
:
: If you can't figure out what folder the compacting process gets
: stuck on, and you should be able to move the error box out of the
: way to see it, then either delete Folders.dbx with OE closed, or
: create a new identity and test it. If the new ID works, import your
: folders to it and when you are satisfied you have everything you
: need, delete the old identity. --
: Bruce Hagen
: MS-MVP Outlook Express
: ~IB-CA~
:
: "marrie" wrote in message
: ...
: and just to follow up the message also appears when OE is closed
: for the hundredth time and there are no folders open.
: Thanks.
:
: marrie wrote:
: :I don't have an anti spam app. Ad-aware is only set to scann when
: : I turn it on.
: : marrie
: :
: : PA Bear wrote:
: : : Then something /else/ is causing the problem (e.g., AVG's
: : : email scanning; anti-spam application). Good luck.
: : : --
: : : ~PA Bear
: : :
: : : marrie wrote:
: : : Yeah did. I always empty sent tmes and put them n to an
: : : archive folder and
: : : remove that once in a while to.
: : :
: : : PA Bear wrote:
: : : But did you do #1 through #3 /before/ you compacted?
: : : --
: : : ~PA Bear
: : :
: : : marrie wrote:
: : : I compacted before importing the messages and after nd it
: : : worked, but now it
: : : is not. I'll have a look at my security programs to see
: : : what in the blazes is going on.
: : :
: : : PA Bear wrote:
: : : If you close OE, reopen to the new identity and compact
: : : manually again, does the behavior persist, Marrie?
: : :
: : : If not: Did you (1) make sure that Sent Items and
: : : Deleted items were empty, (2) close OE, (3) delete the
: : : file Folders.dbx from the original identity's message
: : : store, (4) open OE, and (5) compact all folders before
: : : you imported the messages into the new identity? --
: : : ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
: : : MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User)
: : : AumHa VSOP & Admin; DTS-L.org
: : :
: : :
: : : marrie wrote:
: : : follow up. the new identity worked for the first
: : : compact but now it still says the same mesage even
: : : though all folders are closed and I'm off line. This
: : : is nuts!

oddley enough none of them gave me the error message. I did del a lot fo
messages i did not need and recompace the folders by hand one at a time
thugh. so, if I can compact all 101 folders manually by doing it from the
folder's submenu and choosing "compact" why can't I do a "compact all?"
Thanks.
Oh. and I'll defrag as well an dsee if that helps.
marrie

Bruce Hagen wrote:
: Have you tried to compact each folder one-at-a-time? File | Folder |
: Compact.
: What folder(s) does it get stuck on? Clean them up.
: --
: Bruce Hagen
: MS-MVP Outlook Express
: ~IB-CA~
:
: "marrie" wrote in message
: ...
: and as a follow up when I do that compact with OE closed, it still
: gets stuck.
:
: marrie
:
: Bruce Hagen wrote:
: : You are always going to get the prompt after 100 closings until
: : you compact.
: :
: : If you can't figure out what folder the compacting process gets
: : stuck on, and you should be able to move the error box out of the
: : way to see it, then either delete Folders.dbx with OE closed, or
: : create a new identity and test it. If the new ID works, import
: : your folders to it and when you are satisfied you have
: : everything you need, delete the old identity. --
: : Bruce Hagen
: : MS-MVP Outlook Express
: : ~IB-CA~
: :
: : "marrie" wrote in message
: : ...
: : and just to follow up the message also appears when OE is
: : closed for the hundredth time and there are no folders open.
: : Thanks.
: :
: : marrie wrote:
: : :I don't have an anti spam app. Ad-aware is only set to scann
: : : when I turn it on.
: : : marrie
: : :
: : : PA Bear wrote:
: : : : Then something /else/ is causing the problem (e.g., AVG's
: : : : email scanning; anti-spam application). Good luck.
: : : : --
: : : : ~PA Bear
: : : :
: : : : marrie wrote:
: : : : Yeah did. I always empty sent tmes and put them n to an
: : : : archive folder and
: : : : remove that once in a while to.
: : : :
: : : : PA Bear wrote:
: : : : But did you do #1 through #3 /before/ you compacted?
: : : : --
: : : : ~PA Bear
: : : :
: : : : marrie wrote:
: : : : I compacted before importing the messages and after
: : : : nd it worked, but now it
: : : : is not. I'll have a look at my security programs to
: : : : see what in the blazes is going on.
: : : :
: : : : PA Bear wrote:
: : : : If you close OE, reopen to the new identity and
: : : : compact manually again, does the behavior persist,
: : : : Marrie?
: : : :
: : : : If not: Did you (1) make sure that Sent Items and
: : : : Deleted items were empty, (2) close OE, (3) delete
: : : : the file Folders.dbx from the original identity's
: : : : message store, (4) open OE, and (5) compact all
: : : : folders before you imported the messages into the
: : : : new identity? -- ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
: : : : MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User)
: : : : AumHa VSOP & Admin; DTS-L.org
: : : :
: : : :
: : : : marrie wrote:
: : : : follow up. the new identity worked for the first
: : : : compact but now it still says the same mesage even
: : : : though all folders are closed and I'm off line.
: : : : This is nuts!

101 folders? I don't have enough friends to fill one folder. If you can
compact them one-at-a-time with no problem, then you should be able to
compact them all at once. The key ingredient here is that you may have to be
more patient and wit longer until the compacting completes.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"marrie" wrote in message
...
oddley enough none of them gave me the error message. I did del a lot fo
messages i did not need and recompace the folders by hand one at a time
thugh. so, if I can compact all 101 folders manually by doing it from the
folder's submenu and choosing "compact" why can't I do a "compact all?"
Thanks.
Oh. and I'll defrag as well an dsee if that helps.
marrie

Bruce Hagen wrote:
: Have you tried to compact each folder one-at-a-time? File | Folder |
: Compact.
: What folder(s) does it get stuck on? Clean them up.
: --
: Bruce Hagen
: MS-MVP Outlook Express
: ~IB-CA~
:
: "marrie" wrote in message
: ...
: and as a follow up when I do that compact with OE closed, it still
: gets stuck.
:
: marrie
:
: Bruce Hagen wrote:
: : You are always going to get the prompt after 100 closings until
: : you compact.
: :
: : If you can't figure out what folder the compacting process gets
: : stuck on, and you should be able to move the error box out of the
: : way to see it, then either delete Folders.dbx with OE closed, or
: : create a new identity and test it. If the new ID works, import
: : your folders to it and when you are satisfied you have
: : everything you need, delete the old identity. --
: : Bruce Hagen
: : MS-MVP Outlook Express
: : ~IB-CA~
: :
: : "marrie" wrote in message
: : ...
: : and just to follow up the message also appears when OE is
: : closed for the hundredth time and there are no folders open.
: : Thanks.
: :
: : marrie wrote:
: : :I don't have an anti spam app. Ad-aware is only set to scann
: : : when I turn it on.
: : : marrie
: : :
: : : PA Bear wrote:
: : : : Then something /else/ is causing the problem (e.g., AVG's
: : : : email scanning; anti-spam application). Good luck.
: : : : --
: : : : ~PA Bear
: : : :
: : : : marrie wrote:
: : : : Yeah did. I always empty sent tmes and put them n to an
: : : : archive folder and
: : : : remove that once in a while to.
: : : :
: : : : PA Bear wrote:
: : : : But did you do #1 through #3 /before/ you compacted?
: : : : --
: : : : ~PA Bear
: : : :
: : : : marrie wrote:
: : : : I compacted before importing the messages and after
: : : : nd it worked, but now it
: : : : is not. I'll have a look at my security programs to
: : : : see what in the blazes is going on.
: : : :
: : : : PA Bear wrote:
: : : : If you close OE, reopen to the new identity and
: : : : compact manually again, does the behavior persist,
: : : : Marrie?
: : : :
: : : : If not: Did you (1) make sure that Sent Items and
: : : : Deleted items were empty, (2) close OE, (3) delete
: : : : the file Folders.dbx from the original identity's
: : : : message store, (4) open OE, and (5) compact all
: : : : folders before you imported the messages into the
: : : : new identity? -- ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
: : : : MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User)
: : : : AumHa VSOP & Admin; DTS-L.org
: : : :
: : : :
: : : : marrie wrote:
: : : : follow up. the new identity worked for the first
: : : : compact but now it still says the same mesage even
: : : : though all folders are closed and I'm off line.
: : : : This is nuts!

You can't compact with OE closed.
OE may not be visible on your screen, but it is still running.

Each local folder will be backed up to the Recycle Bin before it is
compacted.
The compaction process is going to take a long time.

Are you scrolling to the top of the Folder List and selecting Outlook
Express before compacting?
--
Ronald Sommer

"marrie" wrote in message
...
: and as a follow up when I do that compact with OE closed, it still gets
: stuck.
:
: marrie
:
: Bruce Hagen wrote:
:: You are always going to get the prompt after 100 closings until you
:: compact.
::
:: If you can't figure out what folder the compacting process gets
:: stuck on, and you should be able to move the error box out of the
:: way to see it, then either delete Folders.dbx with OE closed, or
:: create a new identity and test it. If the new ID works, import your
:: folders to it and when you are satisfied you have everything you
:: need, delete the old identity. --
:: Bruce Hagen
:: MS-MVP Outlook Express
:: ~IB-CA~
::
:: "marrie" wrote in message
:: ...
:: and just to follow up the message also appears when OE is closed
:: for the hundredth time and there are no folders open.
:: Thanks.
::
:: marrie wrote:
:: :I don't have an anti spam app. Ad-aware is only set to scann when
:: : I turn it on.
:: : marrie
:: :
:: : PA Bear wrote:
:: : : Then something /else/ is causing the problem (e.g., AVG's
:: : : email scanning; anti-spam application). Good luck.
:: : : --
:: : : ~PA Bear
:: : :
:: : : marrie wrote:
:: : : Yeah did. I always empty sent tmes and put them n to an
:: : : archive folder and
:: : : remove that once in a while to.
:: : :
:: : : PA Bear wrote:
:: : : But did you do #1 through #3 /before/ you compacted?
:: : : --
:: : : ~PA Bear
:: : :
:: : : marrie wrote:
:: : : I compacted before importing the messages and after nd it
:: : : worked, but now it
:: : : is not. I'll have a look at my security programs to see
:: : : what in the blazes is going on.
:: : :
:: : : PA Bear wrote:
:: : : If you close OE, reopen to the new identity and compact
:: : : manually again, does the behavior persist, Marrie?
:: : :
:: : : If not: Did you (1) make sure that Sent Items and
:: : : Deleted items were empty, (2) close OE, (3) delete the
:: : : file Folders.dbx from the original identity's message
:: : : store, (4) open OE, and (5) compact all folders before
:: : : you imported the messages into the new identity? --
:: : : ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
:: : : MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User)
:: : : AumHa VSOP & Admin; DTS-L.org
:: : :
:: : :
:: : : marrie wrote:
:: : : follow up. the new identity worked for the first
:: : : compact but now it still says the same mesage even
:: : : though all folders are closed and I'm off line. This
:: : : is nuts!
:
:

"marrie" wrote in message
...
I recreated he new identity with the same results. It appeared to work and
now i can't compact. it seems to get stuck at different folders to, at
least that's what i'm noticing by memorizing all of my folders and hearing
witch one it stops on.


If compacting stops because it can't compact a folder it gives an error
message saying which folder it couldn't compact. If you aren't getting the
message what makes you think it isn't compacting all? If no messages have
been deleted from a folder compacting will not change the file's size and it
sometimes won't change if too few have been deleted because of the way DBX
files allocate space.

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
http://www.fjsmjs.com

O no I wait, but the stupid message still appears when I hit alt+f, f, f.
verses alt+f, f, c to compact by hand all 101 folders.

Bruce Hagen wrote:
: 101 folders? I don't have enough friends to fill one folder. If you
: can compact them one-at-a-time with no problem, then you should be
: able to compact them all at once. The key ingredient here is that
: you may have to be more patient and wit longer until the compacting
: completes. --
: Bruce Hagen
: MS-MVP Outlook Express
: ~IB-CA~
:
: "marrie" wrote in message
: ...
: oddley enough none of them gave me the error message. I did del a
: lot fo messages i did not need and recompace the folders by hand
: one at a time thugh. so, if I can compact all 101 folders manually
: by doing it from the folder's submenu and choosing "compact" why
: can't I do a "compact all?" Thanks.
: Oh. and I'll defrag as well an dsee if that helps.
: marrie
:
: Bruce Hagen wrote:
: : Have you tried to compact each folder one-at-a-time? File |
: : Folder | Compact.
: : What folder(s) does it get stuck on? Clean them up.
: : --
: : Bruce Hagen
: : MS-MVP Outlook Express
: : ~IB-CA~
: :
: : "marrie" wrote in message
: : ...
: : and as a follow up when I do that compact with OE closed, it
: : still gets stuck.
: :
: : marrie
: :
: : Bruce Hagen wrote:
: : : You are always going to get the prompt after 100 closings
: : : until you compact.
: : :
: : : If you can't figure out what folder the compacting process
: : : gets stuck on, and you should be able to move the error box
: : : out of the way to see it, then either delete Folders.dbx
: : : with OE closed, or create a new identity and test it. If the
: : : new ID works, import your folders to it and when you are
: : : satisfied you have everything you need, delete the old
: : : identity. -- Bruce Hagen
: : : MS-MVP Outlook Express
: : : ~IB-CA~
: : :
: : : "marrie" wrote in message
: : : ...
: : : and just to follow up the message also appears when OE is
: : : closed for the hundredth time and there are no folders
: : : open. Thanks.
: : :
: : : marrie wrote:
: : : :I don't have an anti spam app. Ad-aware is only set to
: : : : scann when I turn it on.
: : : : marrie
: : : :
: : : : PA Bear wrote:
: : : : : Then something /else/ is causing the problem (e.g.,
: : : : : AVG's email scanning; anti-spam application). Good
: : : : : luck. --
: : : : : ~PA Bear
: : : : :
: : : : : marrie wrote:
: : : : : Yeah did. I always empty sent tmes and put them n
: : : : : to an archive folder and
: : : : : remove that once in a while to.
: : : : :
: : : : : PA Bear wrote:
: : : : : But did you do #1 through #3 /before/ you
: : : : : compacted? --
: : : : : ~PA Bear
: : : : :
: : : : : marrie wrote:
: : : : : I compacted before importing the messages and
: : : : : after nd it worked, but now it
: : : : : is not. I'll have a look at my security programs
: : : : : to see what in the blazes is going on.
: : : : :
: : : : : PA Bear wrote:
: : : : : If you close OE, reopen to the new identity and
: : : : : compact manually again, does the behavior
: : : : : persist, Marrie?
: : : : :
: : : : : If not: Did you (1) make sure that Sent Items
: : : : : and Deleted items were empty, (2) close OE, (3)
: : : : : delete the file Folders.dbx from the original
: : : : : identity's message store, (4) open OE, and (5)
: : : : : compact all folders before you imported the
: : : : : messages into the new identity? -- ~Robear Dyer
: : : : : (PA Bear)
: : : : : MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User)
: : : : : AumHa VSOP & Admin; DTS-L.org
: : : : :
: : : : :
: : : : : marrie wrote:
: : : : : follow up. the new identity worked for the
: : : : : first compact but now it still says the same
: : : : : mesage even though all folders are closed and
: : : : : I'm off line. This is nuts!

Yes I am. I do that every time. Actually when I scrol to the top, I can't
for some reason access any menu bars, but that's a different problem wich is
proably an OS fluke.

Ron Sommer wrote:
: You can't compact with OE closed.
: OE may not be visible on your screen, but it is still running.
:
: Each local folder will be backed up to the Recycle Bin before it is
: compacted.
: The compaction process is going to take a long time.
:
: Are you scrolling to the top of the Folder List and selecting Outlook
: Express before compacting?
: --
: Ronald Sommer
:
: "marrie" wrote in message
: ...
: : and as a follow up when I do that compact with OE closed, it
: : still gets stuck.
: :
: : marrie
: :
: : Bruce Hagen wrote:
: :: You are always going to get the prompt after 100 closings until
: :: you compact.
: ::
: :: If you can't figure out what folder the compacting process gets
: :: stuck on, and you should be able to move the error box out of the
: :: way to see it, then either delete Folders.dbx with OE closed, or
: :: create a new identity and test it. If the new ID works, import
: :: your folders to it and when you are satisfied you have
: :: everything you need, delete the old identity. --
: :: Bruce Hagen
: :: MS-MVP Outlook Express
: :: ~IB-CA~
: ::
: :: "marrie" wrote in message
: :: ...
: :: and just to follow up the message also appears when OE is
: :: closed for the hundredth time and there are no folders open.
: :: Thanks.
: ::
: :: marrie wrote:
: :: :I don't have an anti spam app. Ad-aware is only set to scann
: :: : when I turn it on.
: :: : marrie
: :: :
: :: : PA Bear wrote:
: :: : : Then something /else/ is causing the problem (e.g., AVG's
: :: : : email scanning; anti-spam application). Good luck.
: :: : : --
: :: : : ~PA Bear
: :: : :
: :: : : marrie wrote:
: :: : : Yeah did. I always empty sent tmes and put them n to an
: :: : : archive folder and
: :: : : remove that once in a while to.
: :: : :
: :: : : PA Bear wrote:
: :: : : But did you do #1 through #3 /before/ you compacted?
: :: : : --
: :: : : ~PA Bear
: :: : :
: :: : : marrie wrote:
: :: : : I compacted before importing the messages and after
: :: : : nd it worked, but now it
: :: : : is not. I'll have a look at my security programs to
: :: : : see what in the blazes is going on.
: :: : :
: :: : : PA Bear wrote:
: :: : : If you close OE, reopen to the new identity and
: :: : : compact manually again, does the behavior persist,
: :: : : Marrie?
: :: : :
: :: : : If not: Did you (1) make sure that Sent Items and
: :: : : Deleted items were empty, (2) close OE, (3) delete
: :: : : the file Folders.dbx from the original identity's
: :: : : message store, (4) open OE, and (5) compact all
: :: : : folders before you imported the messages into the
: :: : : new identity? -- ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
: :: : : MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User)
: :: : : AumHa VSOP & Admin; DTS-L.org
: :: : :
: :: : :
: :: : : marrie wrote:
: :: : : follow up. the new identity worked for the first
: :: : : compact but now it still says the same mesage even
: :: : : though all folders are closed and I'm off line.
: :: : : This is nuts!

The message when it does appear is vegue. it only says that the folder is
in use by OE or anotehr program. the "other program" doesn't make sence to
me at all. and the message only appears when I do a compact all,not a
compact on each seprate folder.
Marrie
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM wrote:
: "marrie" wrote in message
: ...
:I recreated he new identity with the same results. It appeared to
:work and now i can't compact. it seems to get stuck at different
:folders to, at least that's what i'm noticing by memorizing all of
:my folders and hearing witch one it stops on.
:
:
: If compacting stops because it can't compact a folder it gives an
: error message saying which folder it couldn't compact. If you
: aren't getting the message what makes you think it isn't compacting
: all? If no messages have been deleted from a folder compacting will
: not change the file's size and it sometimes won't change if too few
: have been deleted because of the way DBX files allocate space.
:
: --
: Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
: http://www.fjsmjs.com

"marrie" wrote in message
...
O no I wait, but the stupid message still appears when I hit alt+f, f, f.
verses alt+f, f, c to compact by hand all 101 folders.


Then the only difference is Folders.dbx.
The only way to compact it is with Alt-F,F,F
How big is it? How many news accounts do you have
and how many newsgroups does each host?
Also, how many Search*.dbx do you have?

What I would try, before completely rebuilding Folders.dbx, is
make large changes to it to see if it would compact after them.
For example, start by closing OE (and make sure that msimn.exe
is not longer an active task) and delete all Search*.dbx (assuming
you don't have any local folders or newsgroups which match that
pattern too, otherwise use a more specific pattern when deleting them.)
If that isn't enough decide if one of your news accounts can be scrapped.
E.g. often I have a duplicate news account which is just there for testing.
Deleting it would remove all the newsgroup names that it hosts, thus giving
a compaction of Folders.dbx a lot more to work with.


Good luck

Robert Aldwinckle
---

The folders,dbsx is about 713 kb in size. I don't have a search.dbx at
all. The only news account I have is the msnews.microsoft.com news account.
The total size of all dbx files is about 410 mb.

Marrie

Robert Aldwinckle wrote:
: "marrie" wrote in message
: ...
:O no I wait, but the stupid message still appears when I hit alt+f,
: f, f. verses alt+f, f, c to compact by hand all 101 folders.
:
:
: Then the only difference is Folders.dbx.
: The only way to compact it is with Alt-F,F,F
: How big is it? How many news accounts do you have
: and how many newsgroups does each host?
: Also, how many Search*.dbx do you have?
:
: What I would try, before completely rebuilding Folders.dbx, is
: make large changes to it to see if it would compact after them.
: For example, start by closing OE (and make sure that msimn.exe
: is not longer an active task) and delete all Search*.dbx (assuming
: you don't have any local folders or newsgroups which match that
: pattern too, otherwise use a more specific pattern when deleting
: them.)
: If that isn't enough decide if one of your news accounts can be
: scrapped. E.g. often I have a duplicate news account which is just
: there for testing. Deleting it would remove all the newsgroup names
: that it hosts, thus giving a compaction of Folders.dbx a lot more
: to work with.
:
:
: Good luck
:
: Robert Aldwinckle
: ---