Rules and ignoring certain posts
 

Hello,

I have rules to flag newsgroup posts from certain people as Ignore, but I don't
want responses to those posts ignored, which is what's happening now. If an
ignored poster starts a thread, every other post in the thread is ignored. How
can I stop this?

Also, what exactly does "Stop processing more rules" mean? I have it on, on
advice, but I don't know why I need it.

Rules and ignoring certain posts
 

A1.If you've "flagged" certain posters as Ignored via Message | Ignore
Conversation, WYSIWYG. If you "flagged" the poster via Blocked Senders, no
thread should be marked as Ignored.

A2. See:

Message Rules Tips
http://www.insideoe.com/tips/rules.htm

Why doesn't my rule work?
http://www.insideoe.com/faqs/why.htm#rules
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

DavidW wrote:
I have rules to flag newsgroup posts from certain people as Ignore, but I
don't want responses to those posts ignored, which is what's happening
now.
If an ignored poster starts a thread, every other post in the thread is
ignored. How can I stop this?

Also, what exactly does "Stop processing more rules" mean? I have it on,
on
advice, but I don't know why I need it.

Rules and ignoring certain posts
 

PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
A1.If you've "flagged" certain posters as Ignored via Message | Ignore
Conversation, WYSIWYG.

The rules don't give me a choice on that. What I get is "Mark the message as
watched or ignored" if it satisfies the rules.

If you "flagged" the poster via Blocked
Senders, no thread should be marked as Ignored.

I think I had trouble with Blocked Senders not doing what I wanted before (maybe
deleting messages altogether? - which is a bit drastic and irreversible), which
is why I use rules to set them to ignore.

I'm getting the feeling that I can't do what I want.


A2. See:

Message Rules Tips
http://www.insideoe.com/tips/rules.htm

Why doesn't my rule work?
http://www.insideoe.com/faqs/why.htm#rules

Thanks for the links. They'll be useful, but I don't see an explanation of "Stop
processing more rules" there.

Rules and ignoring certain posts
 

WYSIWYG. Delete the "flag" rule and use Blocked Sender instead (or just
ignore 'em).

DavidW wrote:
PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
A1.If you've "flagged" certain posters as Ignored via Message | Ignore
Conversation, WYSIWYG.

The rules don't give me a choice on that. What I get is "Mark the message
as
watched or ignored" if it satisfies the rules.

If you "flagged" the poster via Blocked
Senders, no thread should be marked as Ignored.

I think I had trouble with Blocked Senders not doing what I wanted before
(maybe deleting messages altogether? - which is a bit drastic and
irreversible), which is why I use rules to set them to ignore.

I'm getting the feeling that I can't do what I want.


A2. See:

Message Rules Tips
http://www.insideoe.com/tips/rules.htm

Why doesn't my rule work?
http://www.insideoe.com/faqs/why.htm#rules

Thanks for the links. They'll be useful, but I don't see an explanation of
"Stop processing more rules" there.

Rules and ignoring certain posts
 

DavidW wrote:

Hello,

I have rules to flag newsgroup posts from certain people as Ignore, but I don't
want responses to those posts ignored, which is what's happening now. If an
ignored poster starts a thread, every other post in the thread is ignored. How
can I stop this?

Also, what exactly does "Stop processing more rules" mean? I have it on, on
advice, but I don't know why I need it.

In OE, marking a message as ignored or watched via a rule does NOT mark
the entire thread (existing or future posts) to also get get similarly
marked. So even if you use a view that hides ignored messages, the
unmarked messages will still show up.

Marking watched or ignored which marks the entire thread that way only
works when you manually tag a particular post within a thread. Doesn't
work that way with rules, though.

Rules and ignoring certain posts
 

VanguardLH wrote:
DavidW wrote:

Hello,

I have rules to flag newsgroup posts from certain people as Ignore,
but I don't want responses to those posts ignored, which is what's
happening now. If an ignored poster starts a thread, every other
post in the thread is ignored. How can I stop this?

Also, what exactly does "Stop processing more rules" mean? I have it
on, on advice, but I don't know why I need it.

In OE, marking a message as ignored or watched via a rule does NOT
mark the entire thread (existing or future posts) to also get get
similarly marked.

It doesn't mark existing replies ignored (using Apply Now), but it does mark
future replies ignored. When I read all new messages in one newsgroup earlier,
the OP of some threads was marked ignored according to the rules, but so was
every other post inside the thread by people who aren't supposed to be ignored.

If it did the same with new posts that it does with existing posts I'd be happy.

So even if you use a view that hides ignored
messages, the unmarked messages will still show up.

Marking watched or ignored which marks the entire thread that way only
works when you manually tag a particular post within a thread.
Doesn't work that way with rules, though.

Well, rules are working that way for me.

Rules and ignoring certain posts
 

"DavidW" wrote in message
...
Hello,

I have rules to flag newsgroup posts from certain people as Ignore, but I
don't want responses to those posts ignored, which is what's happening
now. If an ignored poster starts a thread, every other post in the thread
is ignored. How can I stop this?

Also, what exactly does "Stop processing more rules" mean? I have it on,
on advice, but I don't know why I need it.



Instead of marking the messages as ignored mark them as read.

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
http://www.fjsmjs.com

Rules and ignoring certain posts
 

Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM wrote:
"DavidW" wrote in message
...
Hello,

I have rules to flag newsgroup posts from certain people as Ignore,
but I don't want responses to those posts ignored, which is what's
happening now. If an ignored poster starts a thread, every other
post in the thread is ignored. How can I stop this?

Also, what exactly does "Stop processing more rules" mean? I have it
on, on advice, but I don't know why I need it.



Instead of marking the messages as ignored mark them as read.

So you are effectively saying that a killfile is not necessary or desirable?

Rules and ignoring certain posts
 

"DavidW" wrote in message
.. .
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM wrote:
"DavidW" wrote in message
...
Hello,

I have rules to flag newsgroup posts from certain people as Ignore,
but I don't want responses to those posts ignored, which is what's
happening now. If an ignored poster starts a thread, every other
post in the thread is ignored. How can I stop this?

Also, what exactly does "Stop processing more rules" mean? I have it
on, on advice, but I don't know why I need it.



Instead of marking the messages as ignored mark them as read.

So you are effectively saying that a killfile is not necessary or
desirable?




Why don't you just KF the people you don't wish to see posts from? If you
don't want to see posts from , create a From rule that
deletes that address and also check Stop processing more rules. Forget about
ignore rules.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA

Rules and ignoring certain posts
 

Also, what exactly does "Stop processing more rules" mean? I have it
on, on advice, but I don't know why I need it.

"Stop processing more rules" is a bit of a misnomer that used to confuse me
too. It doesn't really mean "Stop processing more rules." It' means "Stop
processing more rules with THIS message."

For example, let's say you have two rules:
1. Mark everything with "quintessential" in the subject line green.
2. Delete anything with "aardvark" in the subject line.

If you don't include "Stop processing more rules" in the first rule,
anything with "quintessential aardvark" in the subject line is going to get
deleted (after it's marked green).

--
Bob
http://www.kanyak.com

Rules and ignoring certain posts
 

Opinicus wrote:
Also, what exactly does "Stop processing more rules" mean? I have
it on, on advice, but I don't know why I need it.

"Stop processing more rules" is a bit of a misnomer that used to
confuse me too. It doesn't really mean "Stop processing more rules."
It' means "Stop processing more rules with THIS message."

For example, let's say you have two rules:
1. Mark everything with "quintessential" in the subject line green.
2. Delete anything with "aardvark" in the subject line.

If you don't include "Stop processing more rules" in the first rule,
anything with "quintessential aardvark" in the subject line is going
to get deleted (after it's marked green).

Thanks. Sorry it took so long to get back here.

Rules and ignoring certain posts
 

Bruce Hagen wrote:
"DavidW" wrote in message
.. .
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM wrote:
"DavidW" wrote in message
...
Hello,

I have rules to flag newsgroup posts from certain people as Ignore,
but I don't want responses to those posts ignored, which is what's
happening now. If an ignored poster starts a thread, every other
post in the thread is ignored. How can I stop this?

Also, what exactly does "Stop processing more rules" mean? I have
it on, on advice, but I don't know why I need it.



Instead of marking the messages as ignored mark them as read.

So you are effectively saying that a killfile is not necessary or
desirable?




Why don't you just KF the people you don't wish to see posts from? If
you don't want to see posts from , create a From rule
that deletes that address and also check Stop processing more rules.
Forget about ignore rules.

Because I occasionally do want to see posts by someone I wat to ignore. Example:
Poster JohnDoe has an annoying style, is too trivial and posts far too much to
put up with his posts, but he's usually on topic. If I delete him I'll still see
replies to him, which is okay, but I might be interested enough in what's said
to want to see the OP now and then, but it's been deleted. I want them marked
Ignored so I can see them if I want, but if I do that all sub-branches are also
marked Ignored when I download the latest posts.

Also, I'm happy to delete spam, but it's possible that a rule I'm using to kill
spam will sometimes inadvertently kill a legitimate poster. Deletion is too
drastic because you can only use it when you're 100% sure you'll never want to
see a post that satisfies the rule, and I would rarely be that sure. Whatever
you do to hide a post should be reversible.

Rules and ignoring certain posts
 

"DavidW" wrote in message
...
Bruce Hagen wrote:
"DavidW" wrote in message
.. .
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM wrote:
"DavidW" wrote in message
...
Hello,

I have rules to flag newsgroup posts from certain people as Ignore,
but I don't want responses to those posts ignored, which is what's
happening now. If an ignored poster starts a thread, every other
post in the thread is ignored. How can I stop this?

Also, what exactly does "Stop processing more rules" mean? I have
it on, on advice, but I don't know why I need it.



Instead of marking the messages as ignored mark them as read.

So you are effectively saying that a killfile is not necessary or
desirable?




Why don't you just KF the people you don't wish to see posts from? If
you don't want to see posts from , create a From rule
that deletes that address and also check Stop processing more rules.
Forget about ignore rules.

Because I occasionally do want to see posts by someone I wat to ignore.
Example:
Poster JohnDoe has an annoying style, is too trivial and posts far too
much to put up with his posts, but he's usually on topic. If I delete him
I'll still see replies to him, which is okay, but I might be interested
enough in what's said to want to see the OP now and then, but it's been
deleted. I want them marked Ignored so I can see them if I want, but if I
do that all sub-branches are also marked Ignored when I download the
latest posts.

Also, I'm happy to delete spam, but it's possible that a rule I'm using to
kill spam will sometimes inadvertently kill a legitimate poster. Deletion
is too drastic because you can only use it when you're 100% sure you'll
never want to see a post that satisfies the rule, and I would rarely be
that sure. Whatever you do to hide a post should be reversible.



Well, you can't have your cake and eat it too. How about adding these people
to a rule that highlights with color instead of delete, or ignore?

I have about 100 addresses in my killfile, and I am /positive/ I don't want
to see messages from them again, but they are spammers and trolls.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA

Rules and ignoring certain posts
 

Bruce Hagen wrote:
"DavidW" wrote in message
...
Bruce Hagen wrote:
"DavidW" wrote in message
.. .
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM wrote:
"DavidW" wrote in message
...
Hello,

I have rules to flag newsgroup posts from certain people as
Ignore, but I don't want responses to those posts ignored, which
is what's happening now. If an ignored poster starts a thread,
every other post in the thread is ignored. How can I stop this?

Also, what exactly does "Stop processing more rules" mean? I have
it on, on advice, but I don't know why I need it.



Instead of marking the messages as ignored mark them as read.

So you are effectively saying that a killfile is not necessary or
desirable?




Why don't you just KF the people you don't wish to see posts from?
If you don't want to see posts from , create a From
rule that deletes that address and also check Stop processing more
rules. Forget about ignore rules.

Because I occasionally do want to see posts by someone I wat to
ignore. Example:
Poster JohnDoe has an annoying style, is too trivial and posts far
too much to put up with his posts, but he's usually on topic. If I
delete him I'll still see replies to him, which is okay, but I might
be interested enough in what's said to want to see the OP now and
then, but it's been deleted. I want them marked Ignored so I can see
them if I want, but if I do that all sub-branches are also marked
Ignored when I download the latest posts.

Also, I'm happy to delete spam, but it's possible that a rule I'm
using to kill spam will sometimes inadvertently kill a legitimate
poster. Deletion is too drastic because you can only use it when
you're 100% sure you'll never want to see a post that satisfies the
rule, and I would rarely be that sure. Whatever you do to hide a
post should be reversible.


Well, you can't have your cake and eat it too.

I could if the software would allow it. It's not that hard. It's already doing
exactly what I want in Apply Now.

How about adding these
people to a rule that highlights with color instead of delete, or
ignore?

I didn't know I could do that, but it wouldn't really help. The whole point is
not to see those posts at all (except occasionally).

I have about 100 addresses in my killfile, and I am /positive/ I
don't want to see messages from them again, but they are spammers and
trolls.

Yes, but I'm having to choose substrings because the spammers keep changing
their addresses to defeat people like you and me. That's when you risk the
substring being in something legitimate.