"Robert Aldwinckle" wrote in message
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"Kate" wrote in message
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[X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original]
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Interestingly, my quoted post is showing as in the original in all
of
your replies, with a slight hiccup in Robert`s.

Whatever it is you're seeing was probably just me editing
to reformat where I inserted a comment. ; )

However, now that I
am replying, my quoted first post has failed to wrap properly -
possibly to do with the in front of the lines, as Michael
mentioned?

All of your lines are terminated without a trailing space
which suggests that you are doing your own formatting
which defeats the Format=Flowed feature you are using.
Essentially, each of your lines is treated as a paragraph;
so if someone else wants to quote it and their linesize
is smaller than yours (or the quote characters cause your
lines to grow bigger than theirs) each of your lines have to be
written as two lines, independently of any other of your lines
being quoted.

I see from Tools/Options/Send that my posts are set in
MIME format, with no encoding, but have now changed to Uuencode to
see if that makes a difference. It is only a very minor thing, I
know, but has been niggling me for a long time.

If you don't mind the arbitrary chopping of your sentences
into lines by your linesize try to get into the habit of writing
paragraphs. Then your sentences will be chopped into lines
with a trailing space, so then when someone who is using
Format=Flowed quotes you, your paragraphs (or sets of lines
from one) can also be reformatted (once the quoter saves or posts.)

And BTW if you ever have to start re-editing a message
from Drafts or the Outbox you may still have to open your
composition window maximized and reflow the paragraph.
(I'm not sure how well Format=Flowed recovers from that
though. I suppose it would be nice not to have to worry
about line size after restarting from Drafts. Certainly without
Format=Flowed you do have to have that concern or risk
the embarrassment of posting malformed paragraphs.


Good luck

Robert
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When I type a post, I let the computer "carriage return"
automatically* and I thought that I did paragraph properly. However,
I have just noticed that my compose window was not fully-maximised -
stretched to almost fill the screen, but not maximised. Maybe that
hasn`t helped, although it can only be two or three characters short.
Also, I see that when I compose or reply to a post, the default font
for Plain Text in NGs seems to be Times New Roman. But, if I select
Read All Message in Plain Text, they come up in 9pt Arial, which is
the default font for Mail and News in Tools/Options/Compose. Would
that make a difference?

I have looked in Tools/Options in the main Menu, and also under Format
in the compose window, but cannot find a check box for Format=Flowed.
Could you tell me where to find it, please?

Anyway, I have now reduced my line length to 70 characters, maximised
the compose Window, and selected Uuencode. If that doesn`t work,
well, I give up!

Thank you for all the info
Kate

*I used to be a secretary in ye olden days when you had to wait for
the `ting` when the typewriter carriage reached the righthand margin
and then slam the carriage back. Such bliss not to have to do that
with a computer,especially when it was a long carriage that would take
brief size paper :-)

"Kate" wrote in message ...

When I type a post, I let the computer "carriage return"
automatically* and I thought that I did paragraph properly. However,
I have just noticed that my compose window was not fully-maximised -
stretched to almost fill the screen, but not maximised. Maybe that
hasn`t helped, although it can only be two or three characters short.


If you already have your normal mode window maximally sized
you won't get any of the benefit of maximizing it. The point is
that once lines are chopped to your line size the parargraphs
they are a part of will stop wrapping in the window and just
show you the lines of the formatted paragraph. If you continue
editing the already formatted lines you could create some which
are too long (in which case when you save or send them they
will be chopped) or shorter than your line size (which will not
be combined with what follows unless you make it flow in your
composition window.) It's in order to see if you have to do
some extra edits to make already formatted text flow that I make
the suggestion of maximizing the composition window.


Also, I see that when I compose or reply to a post, the default font
for Plain Text in NGs seems to be Times New Roman. But, if I select
Read All Message in Plain Text, they come up in 9pt Arial, which is
the default font for Mail and News in Tools/Options/Compose. Would
that make a difference?

Not really. You might notice a difference in formatting with them
but it would only be due to a difference in proportional spacing
between the two fonts.



I have looked in Tools/Options in the main Menu, and also under Format
in the compose window, but cannot find a check box for Format=Flowed.
Could you tell me where to find it, please?


Unfortunately, it is an undocumented default from a certain level of maintenance.
However, you may find a registry hack which could be used to disable it.



Anyway, I have now reduced my line length to 70 characters, maximised the compose Window, and selected Uuencode. If that doesn`t
work, well, I give up!


In that case, if you are really flowing paragraphs then something has changed
in OE that I wasn't aware of which breaks the Format=Flowed feature.
AFAIK you must have those trailing spaces on any lines which are to be
flowable otherwise as I said each line may be treated as a separate paragraph.

Just to check that that still works as I understand it I have added spaces
after the last words in the preceding paragraph. Let's see what happens
when I send it to the Outbox...

QED. Reflowed to fit *my* line size (132) but only seen that way *after*
the message is in the Outbox. This comment was added from the Outbox.



Thank you for all the info
Kate

*I used to be a secretary in ye olden days when you had to wait for
the `ting` when the typewriter carriage reached the righthand margin
and then slam the carriage back. Such bliss not to have to do that
with a computer,especially when it was a long carriage that would take
brief size paper :-)


You mean you missed working with CRTs and their line editing too? eg


Robert
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"Robert Aldwinckle" wrote in message
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"Kate" wrote in message
...

When I type a post, I let the computer "carriage return"
automatically* and I thought that I did paragraph properly.
However,
I have just noticed that my compose window was not
fully-maximised -
stretched to almost fill the screen, but not maximised. Maybe that
hasn`t helped, although it can only be two or three characters
short.

If you already have your normal mode window maximally sized
you won't get any of the benefit of maximizing it. The point is
that once lines are chopped to your line size the parargraphs
they are a part of will stop wrapping in the window and just
show you the lines of the formatted paragraph. If you continue
editing the already formatted lines you could create some which
are too long (in which case when you save or send them they
will be chopped) or shorter than your line size (which will not
be combined with what follows unless you make it flow in your
composition window.) It's in order to see if you have to do
some extra edits to make already formatted text flow that I make
the suggestion of maximizing the composition window.

Also, I see that when I compose or reply to a post, the default
font
for Plain Text in NGs seems to be Times New Roman. But, if I
select
Read All Message in Plain Text, they come up in 9pt Arial, which is
the default font for Mail and News in Tools/Options/Compose. Would
that make a difference?

Not really. You might notice a difference in formatting with them
but it would only be due to a difference in proportional spacing
between the two fonts.


I have looked in Tools/Options in the main Menu, and also under
Format
in the compose window, but cannot find a check box for
Format=Flowed.
Could you tell me where to find it, please?

Unfortunately, it is an undocumented default from a certain level of
maintenance.
However, you may find a registry hack which could be used to disable
it.


Anyway, I have now reduced my line length to 70 characters,
maximised the compose Window, and selected Uuencode. If that
doesn`t
work, well, I give up!

In that case, if you are really flowing paragraphs then something
has changed
in OE that I wasn't aware of which breaks the Format=Flowed feature.
AFAIK you must have those trailing spaces on any lines which are to
be
flowable otherwise as I said each line may be treated as a separate
paragraph.

Just to check that that still works as I understand it I have added
spaces
after the last words in the preceding paragraph. Let's see what
happens
when I send it to the Outbox...

QED. Reflowed to fit *my* line size (132) but only seen that way
*after*
the message is in the Outbox. This comment was added from the
Outbox.


Thank you for all the info
Kate

*I used to be a secretary in ye olden days when you had to wait for
the `ting` when the typewriter carriage reached the righthand
margin
and then slam the carriage back. Such bliss not to have to do that
with a computer,especially when it was a long carriage that would
take
brief size paper :-)

You mean you missed working with CRTs and their line editing too?
eg

Robert
---

Could you explain "trailing spaces", please? Does it mean that each
line should end with a space? If so, I would have to watch where the
cursor is and hit Enter after a space and before the line
automatically wraps. Is that correct?

The most advanced method of producing copy that I ever used at work
was recording on to a floppy disc. It really was floppy, too, not
sandwiched between two bits of stiff plastic. There was a screen but
it was like an MS DOS window - white on black. It wasn`t very good
and I don`t think it caught on. I certainly didn`t like it. Another
machine used magnetic tape but you still had to use paper in the
typewriter, or you couldn`t see what you had typed. You then put
another sheet of paper in the same machine and printed it again from
the tape! Unsurprisingly, that didn`t do well, either.

[After putting this in the Outbox, I opened it again and my new
settings have made things worse. Even some paragraphs in your reply
are being chopped up. Something else I noticed : in the compose
window, under FormatEncoding, the setting is Western European (ISO).
Should I try changing that to Western European (Windows), do you
think?]

Kate

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"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
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Kate wrote:
I have noticed that, on my computer, when I post to an NG and my
post
is repeated in the reply, the lines of text I sent are all over the
place and not as they appear when I first post. At present, I have
set character wrapping at 75 characters, and have tried using other
line lengths, but it makes no difference. Is there a "standard"
wrap
length? Other people`s posts always appear properly wrapped, so
can
someone tell me what I am doing wrong, please?

Looks fine to me in this reply, Kate, but then I have OE set to wrap
at 76.

Interestingly, my quoted post is showing as in the original in all of
your replies, with a slight hiccup in Robert`s. However, now that I
am replying, my quoted first post has failed to wrap properly -
possibly to do with the in front of the lines, as Michael
mentioned?...

Quoting of quoting [think about it] has always been like that, especially
it seems if one of the posters is using OE-QuoteFix (like I am). Nothing
to worry about IMHO.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

I know there are very much worse things that can happen in OE, and if this
is all that I have to put up with, I should count myself blessed! It`s
just that I do not notice it in other people`s threads and wondered why it
happened in mine. Oh well...

(Hmm, since I changed the setting to Uuencode, I see that this time my
double-indented post hasn`t changed.)

Thanks
Kate

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"Kate" ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
...

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
Kate wrote:
I have noticed that, on my computer, when I post to an NG and my
post
is repeated in the reply, the lines of text I sent are all over the
place and not as they appear when I first post. At present, I have
set character wrapping at 75 characters, and have tried using other
line lengths, but it makes no difference. Is there a "standard"
wrap
length? Other people`s posts always appear properly wrapped, so
can
someone tell me what I am doing wrong, please?

Looks fine to me in this reply, Kate, but then I have OE set to wrap
at 76.

Interestingly, my quoted post is showing as in the original in all of
your replies, with a slight hiccup in Robert`s. However, now that I
am replying, my quoted first post has failed to wrap properly -
possibly to do with the in front of the lines, as Michael
mentioned?...

Quoting of quoting [think about it] has always been like that,
especially
it seems if one of the posters is using OE-QuoteFix (like I am).
Nothing
to worry about IMHO.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

I know there are very much worse things that can happen in OE, and if
this
is all that I have to put up with, I should count myself blessed! It`s
just that I do not notice it in other people`s threads and wondered why
it
happened in mine. Oh well...

(Hmm, since I changed the setting to Uuencode, I see that this time my
double-indented post hasn`t changed.)

Thanks
Kate