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Kate May 14th 08 11:50 PM

Character wrapping in posts
 
I have noticed that, on my computer, when I post to an NG and my post
is repeated in the reply, the lines of text I sent are all over the
place and not as they appear when I first post. At present, I have
set character wrapping at 75 characters, and have tried using other
line lengths, but it makes no difference. Is there a "standard" wrap
length? Other people`s posts always appear properly wrapped, so can
someone tell me what I am doing wrong, please?

Thank you
Kate


Bruce Hagen May 15th 08 01:19 AM

Character wrapping in posts
 
76 is the default setting, but 75 should be fine. If the original post you
send shows correctly, then it is probably not on your end. Do check however,
that you are using the correct resolution setting your monitor is designed
for.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA


"Kate" wrote in message
...
I have noticed that, on my computer, when I post to an NG and my post
is repeated in the reply, the lines of text I sent are all over the
place and not as they appear when I first post. At present, I have
set character wrapping at 75 characters, and have tried using other
line lengths, but it makes no difference. Is there a "standard" wrap
length? Other people`s posts always appear properly wrapped, so can
someone tell me what I am doing wrong, please?

Thank you
Kate



Frank Saunders MS-MVP IE,OE/WM May 15th 08 01:23 AM

Character wrapping in posts
 
"Kate" wrote in message
...
I have noticed that, on my computer, when I post to an NG and my post
is repeated in the reply, the lines of text I sent are all over the
place and not as they appear when I first post. At present, I have
set character wrapping at 75 characters, and have tried using other
line lengths, but it makes no difference. Is there a "standard" wrap
length? Other people`s posts always appear properly wrapped, so can
someone tell me what I am doing wrong, please?



That doesn't seem to be the case this time.

--
Frank Saunders MS-MVP IE,OE/WM
Do not reply with email


Michael Santovec May 15th 08 02:29 AM

Character wrapping in posts
 
What you are seeing is a common problem. It's not limited to you.

If you are using Uuencode (non-MIME) format, as is common in newsgroups,
and the replier does as well, a " " is inserted in front of every line
from the original post. That makes the line 2 characters longer.
Unless the replier has his line wrap set at least 2 higher than yours,
then the lines may get broken. And the next replier needs his set 2
higher and so on.

Some news readers reflow the lines in order to avoid the alternating
long/short lines.

If you use MIME quoted-printable format (which HTML does by default),
then the wrapping is handled differently (not necessarily better).

And if in a thread different people use different news readers with
different options, things can end up all over the place.

Personally, I don't worry about it as long as I can make out what the
message says.

--

Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm



"Kate" wrote in message
...
I have noticed that, on my computer, when I post to an NG and my post
is repeated in the reply, the lines of text I sent are all over the
place and not as they appear when I first post. At present, I have
set character wrapping at 75 characters, and have tried using other
line lengths, but it makes no difference. Is there a "standard" wrap
length? Other people`s posts always appear properly wrapped, so can
someone tell me what I am doing wrong, please?

Thank you
Kate



Robert Aldwinckle May 15th 08 06:28 AM

Character wrapping in posts
 
"Kate" wrote in message
...
I have noticed that, on my computer, when I post to an NG


and my post is repeated in the reply,



Don't worry about what your post looks like when quoted by someone else.
That's their line wrapping and Format=Flowed options at work (or not.)

All you can be concerned about is what *your* post looks like.

I use a line length of 132 and manually "flow" my paragraphs.
Then when I send them to the Outbox or save them in Drafts
I have to do Ctrl-a,Ctrl-c and reopen and paste them there
or the Format=Flowed "feechur" will reflow any quoted lines
which end with a trailing space at my maximal line size.

To show you the effect of this I will let Format=Flowed
do its thing. ; )


FYI

Robert Aldwinckle
---


the lines of text I sent are all over the
place and not as they appear when I first post. At present, I have
set character wrapping at 75 characters, and have tried using other
line lengths, but it makes no difference. Is there a "standard" wrap
length? Other people`s posts always appear properly wrapped, so can
someone tell me what I am doing wrong, please?

Thank you
Kate




PA Bear [MS MVP] May 15th 08 08:33 AM

Character wrapping in posts
 
Looks fine to me in this reply, Kate, but then I have OE set to wrap at 76.

Kate wrote:
I have noticed that, on my computer, when I post to an NG and my post
is repeated in the reply, the lines of text I sent are all over the
place and not as they appear when I first post. At present, I have
set character wrapping at 75 characters, and have tried using other
line lengths, but it makes no difference. Is there a "standard" wrap
length? Other people`s posts always appear properly wrapped, so can
someone tell me what I am doing wrong, please?

Thank you
Kate


Kate May 15th 08 01:48 PM

Character wrapping in posts
 

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
Looks fine to me in this reply, Kate, but then I have OE set to wrap
at 76.

Kate wrote:
I have noticed that, on my computer, when I post to an NG and my
post
is repeated in the reply, the lines of text I sent are all over the
place and not as they appear when I first post. At present, I have
set character wrapping at 75 characters, and have tried using other
line lengths, but it makes no difference. Is there a "standard"
wrap
length? Other people`s posts always appear properly wrapped, so
can
someone tell me what I am doing wrong, please?

Thank you
Kate


Interestingly, my quoted post is showing as in the original in all of
your replies, with a slight hiccup in Robert`s. However, now that I
am replying, my quoted first post has failed to wrap properly -
possibly to do with the in front of the lines, as Michael
mentioned? I see from Tools/Options/Send that my posts are set in
MIME format, with no encoding, but have now changed to Uuencode to see
if that makes a difference. It is only a very minor thing, I know,
but has been niggling me for a long time.

Bruce : I have always made sure that my screen res is in the same
ratio as my monitor, in particular to avoid distortion of photos and
graphics. Thank you for the reminder, though...

....and thank you all for your advice.

Kate



PA Bear [MS MVP] May 15th 08 05:04 PM

Character wrapping in posts
 
Kate wrote:
I have noticed that, on my computer, when I post to an NG and my
post
is repeated in the reply, the lines of text I sent are all over the
place and not as they appear when I first post. At present, I have
set character wrapping at 75 characters, and have tried using other
line lengths, but it makes no difference. Is there a "standard"
wrap
length? Other people`s posts always appear properly wrapped, so
can
someone tell me what I am doing wrong, please?

Looks fine to me in this reply, Kate, but then I have OE set to wrap
at 76.


Interestingly, my quoted post is showing as in the original in all of
your replies, with a slight hiccup in Robert`s. However, now that I
am replying, my quoted first post has failed to wrap properly -
possibly to do with the in front of the lines, as Michael
mentioned?...


Quoting of quoting [think about it] has always been like that, especially it
seems if one of the posters is using OE-QuoteFix (like I am). Nothing to
worry about IMHO.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/


Kate May 15th 08 06:55 PM

Character wrapping in posts
 

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
Kate wrote:
I have noticed that, on my computer, when I post to an NG and my
post
is repeated in the reply, the lines of text I sent are all over the
place and not as they appear when I first post. At present, I have
set character wrapping at 75 characters, and have tried using other
line lengths, but it makes no difference. Is there a "standard"
wrap
length? Other people`s posts always appear properly wrapped, so
can
someone tell me what I am doing wrong, please?

Looks fine to me in this reply, Kate, but then I have OE set to wrap
at 76.


Interestingly, my quoted post is showing as in the original in all of
your replies, with a slight hiccup in Robert`s. However, now that I
am replying, my quoted first post has failed to wrap properly -
possibly to do with the in front of the lines, as Michael
mentioned?...


Quoting of quoting [think about it] has always been like that, especially
it seems if one of the posters is using OE-QuoteFix (like I am). Nothing
to worry about IMHO.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/


I know there are very much worse things that can happen in OE, and if this
is all that I have to put up with, I should count myself blessed! It`s
just that I do not notice it in other people`s threads and wondered why it
happened in mine. Oh well...

(Hmm, since I changed the setting to Uuencode, I see that this time my
double-indented post hasn`t changed.)

Thanks
Kate





Robert Aldwinckle May 16th 08 05:02 AM

Character wrapping in posts
 
"Kate" wrote in message
...

[X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original]


....
Interestingly, my quoted post is showing as in the original in all of
your replies, with a slight hiccup in Robert`s.



Whatever it is you're seeing was probably just me editing
to reformat where I inserted a comment. ; )


However, now that I
am replying, my quoted first post has failed to wrap properly -
possibly to do with the in front of the lines, as Michael
mentioned?



All of your lines are terminated without a trailing space
which suggests that you are doing your own formatting
which defeats the Format=Flowed feature you are using.
Essentially, each of your lines is treated as a paragraph;
so if someone else wants to quote it and their linesize
is smaller than yours (or the quote characters cause your
lines to grow bigger than theirs) each of your lines have to be
written as two lines, independently of any other of your lines
being quoted.


I see from Tools/Options/Send that my posts are set in
MIME format, with no encoding, but have now changed to Uuencode to see
if that makes a difference. It is only a very minor thing, I know,
but has been niggling me for a long time.



If you don't mind the arbitrary chopping of your sentences
into lines by your linesize try to get into the habit of writing
paragraphs. Then your sentences will be chopped into lines
with a trailing space, so then when someone who is using
Format=Flowed quotes you, your paragraphs (or sets of lines
from one) can also be reformatted (once the quoter saves or posts.)

And BTW if you ever have to start re-editing a message
from Drafts or the Outbox you may still have to open your
composition window maximized and reflow the paragraph.
(I\'m not sure how well Format=Flowed recovers from that
though. I suppose it would be nice not to have to worry
about line size after restarting from Drafts. Certainly without
Format=Flowed you do have to have that concern or risk
the embarrassment of posting malformed paragraphs.


Good luck

Robert
---



Bruce : I have always made sure that my screen res is in the same
ratio as my monitor, in particular to avoid distortion of photos and
graphics. Thank you for the reminder, though...

...and thank you all for your advice.

Kate







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