The "Former Inner Nerd Watching Silently" these posters confess to is not
the issue.

It's a Strawman Red Herring.

How Ignorant & Unimaginative they are.

One watches the Progress Box in order to gauge the proper functioning of the
software and any glitches that may occur as one synchronizes a number of
newsgroups seriatim -- or downloads diamonds, ash and trash from the email
locker.

I'll bet the class of self-confessed former nerds often don't listen to the
engine and the road noise when they drive -- or keep a close watch on the
gauges, as required -- but insist on having the radio or CD player
blaring -- while they chatter and babble on the cell phone -- just as they
chatter and babble on USENET.

There are poor drivers on the road and there are poor drivers of computers.

They have much in common...

And both are potentially extremely dangerous...

To the Health & Welfare of the rest of us...

As well as to themselves.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

"Gary VanderMolen" wrote in message
...

"Steve Thackery" wrote in message
...

Mucking about by changing simple protocol items such as this is
counterproductive.

Nope, I disagree. I think it's a very elegant solution. For most people
the Send/Receive is silent. For nerds like us who want to watch it, we
just click the button twice. Nothing could be simpler than that.

Concur. The nerd in me used to watch the gears turning, but as I've gotten
older, I just want it to work silently, without fanfare.

--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)

I'm sure it is possible to discuss this civilly without questioning
the intelligence of those with an opposite view.

Let me give you an example of how it is possible to mature
beyond the point of wanting to control and observe every detail.

Up until age 55, I insisted that every car I bought had to have a
manual transmission. I thought, a dumb machine cannot know how
to shift gears at the optimum point! But then I developed arthritis
in my knees and frequent clutching became too painful. I was forced
into switching to an automatic transmission. I was amazed how
smooth and intelligent modern automatic transmissions are. What
an eye opener!

It really isn't necessary to watch the details of every mail transmission,
*until* such time as a glitch develops. For me, many months go by
without a glitch, so why bother wasting one's attention on something
that is automatic and troublefree.

--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)


"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ...
The "Former Inner Nerd Watching Silently" these posters confess to is not
the issue.

It's a Strawman Red Herring.

How Ignorant & Unimaginative they are.

One watches the Progress Box in order to gauge the proper functioning of the
software and any glitches that may occur as one synchronizes a number of
newsgroups seriatim -- or downloads diamonds, ash and trash from the email
locker.

I'll bet the class of self-confessed former nerds often don't listen to the
engine and the road noise when they drive -- or keep a close watch on the
gauges, as required -- but insist on having the radio or CD player
blaring -- while they chatter and babble on the cell phone -- just as they
chatter and babble on USENET.

There are poor drivers on the road and there are poor drivers of computers.

They have much in common...

And both are potentially extremely dangerous...

To the Health & Welfare of the rest of us...

As well as to themselves.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

"Gary VanderMolen" wrote in message
...

"Steve Thackery" wrote in message
...

Mucking about by changing simple protocol items such as this is
counterproductive.

Nope, I disagree. I think it's a very elegant solution. For most people
the Send/Receive is silent. For nerds like us who want to watch it, we
just click the button twice. Nothing could be simpler than that.

Concur. The nerd in me used to watch the gears turning, but as I've gotten
older, I just want it to work silently, without fanfare.

--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)

No Sale...

And I'm older than you are.

Eschew Ossification.

I just haven't lost my edge -- whereas you obviously have...

And I've been using automatic transmissions since 1966.

If you don't want to watch the Progress Box in OE you just close it.

Easy As Pie.

No Double Clicks Required.

Intelligent Design.

DSH

"Gary VanderMolen" wrote in message
...

Let me give you an example of how it is possible to mature
beyond the point of wanting to control and observe every detail.

Up until age 55, I insisted that every car I bought had to have a
manual transmission. I thought, a dumb machine cannot know how
to shift gears at the optimum point! But then I developed arthritis
in my knees and frequent clutching became too painful. I was forced
into switching to an automatic transmission. I was amazed how
smooth and intelligent modern automatic transmissions are. What
an eye opener!

It really isn't necessary to watch the details of every mail transmission,
*until* such time as a glitch develops. For me, many months go by without
a glitch, so why bother wasting one's attention on something that is
automatic and troublefree.

--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)


"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...

The "Former Inner Nerd Watching Silently" these posters confess to is not
the issue.

It's a Strawman Red Herring.

How Ignorant & Unimaginative they are.

One watches the Progress Box in order to gauge the proper functioning of
the software and any glitches that may occur as one synchronizes a number
of newsgroups seriatim -- or downloads diamonds, ash and trash from the
email locker.

I'll bet the class of self-confessed former nerds often don't listen to
the engine and the road noise when they drive -- or keep a close watch on
the gauges, as required -- but insist on having the radio or CD player
blaring -- while they chatter and babble on the cell phone -- just as
they chatter and babble on USENET.

There are poor drivers on the road and there are poor drivers of
computers.

They have much in common...

And both are potentially extremely dangerous...

To the Health & Welfare of the rest of us...

As well as to themselves.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Nonsense.

Many of us have stuck to XP and OE because we don't want WLM and Vista.

Stick with the tried and the true as long as possible -- until the bugs and
snakes in WLM and Vista are taken care of.

Both newsgroups are relevant.

DSH

"...winston" wrote in message
...

One's preference is another's annoyance.

Cross posting removed, discussion on WLM not applicable to OE group.
--
...winston
ms-mvp mail


"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...

No Sale...

And I'm older than you are.

Eschew Ossification.

I just haven't lost my edge -- whereas you obviously have...

And I've been using automatic transmissions since 1966.

If you don't want to watch the Progress Box in OE you just close it.

Easy As Pie.

No Double Clicks Required.

Intelligent Design.

DSH

"Gary VanderMolen" wrote in message
...

Let me give you an example of how it is possible to mature
beyond the point of wanting to control and observe every detail.

Up until age 55, I insisted that every car I bought had to have a
manual transmission. I thought, a dumb machine cannot know how
to shift gears at the optimum point! But then I developed arthritis
in my knees and frequent clutching became too painful. I was forced
into switching to an automatic transmission. I was amazed how
smooth and intelligent modern automatic transmissions are. What
an eye opener!

It really isn't necessary to watch the details of every mail
transmission,
*until* such time as a glitch develops. For me, many months go by
without
a glitch, so why bother wasting one's attention on something that is
automatic and troublefree.

--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)


"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...

The "Former Inner Nerd Watching Silently" these posters confess to is
not
the issue.

It's a Strawman Red Herring.

How Ignorant & Unimaginative they are.

One watches the Progress Box in order to gauge the proper functioning
of
the software and any glitches that may occur as one synchronizes a
number
of newsgroups seriatim -- or downloads diamonds, ash and trash from the
email locker.

I'll bet the class of self-confessed former nerds often don't listen to
the engine and the road noise when they drive -- or keep a close watch
on
the gauges, as required -- but insist on having the radio or CD player
blaring -- while they chatter and babble on the cell phone -- just as
they chatter and babble on USENET.

There are poor drivers on the road and there are poor drivers of
computers.

They have much in common...

And both are potentially extremely dangerous...

To the Health & Welfare of the rest of us...

As well as to themselves.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Nonsense.

Many of us have stuck to XP and OE because we don't want WLM and Vista.

Stick with the tried and the true as long as possible -- until the bugs and
snakes in WLM and Vista are taken care of.

Both newsgroups are relevant.

DSH

"...winston" wrote in message
...

One's preference is another's annoyance.

Cross posting removed, discussion on WLM not applicable to OE group.
--
...winston
ms-mvp mail

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote:

The Connection Box which showed progress in the downloading and transmission
of files, with Hide, Stop and Details Buttons...

It was a very useful progress indicator in OE -- as well as a handy switch
to turn downloading, or transmission off ---- quickly

WLM seems to have only an anemic little textual message in the lower right
corner...

Or am I missing something?

DSH




I have the same question. I read all the other (visible) posts (& had
already discovered the same, anemic solution), but what I don't see is a way
to cause a choice (that some may find annoying), to persist across sessions
(for those of us who do not find it so but do find the repeated effort of
choosing to see it every single session annoying).

When I click the icon in the progress bar, it sometimes sets the client into
offline mode, as if the clicking of it for a moment hides the little
indicator in the progress bar & (perhaps a mistaken double-click) then clicks
on the off/on line icon causing the client to go into offline mode.

There is not, as far as I can see, the little checkbox which says "always
display this" or whatever which existed in OE, &, I think, WM (as it was true
I was able to somehow get the thing to always display in WM, also, though it
was awhile back & I'm not so sure I recall exactly how on that one).

Anyway, if anyone knows a solution to this problem, a registry setting or
whatever that isn't exposed in the user interface, I would appreciate the
info. Thanks. BDR