[crosspost to OE General & OE6 newsgroups]

This message is a follow-up to my post of 02 June 2009:
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...a7d2d5b76b171a

Microsoft is changing the way Outlook Express users access Hotmail accounts.
This change will require all Hotmail-in-OE users to take action /before/
Tuesday, 01 September 2009.

If you use Outlook Express to access a Hotmail or MSN account, you will need
to set up a NEW MAIL ACCOUNT (OE: Tools | Accounts | Add | Mail) per the
instructions he

http://windowslivehelp.com/solutions...k-express.aspx

= NOTE: In Step #11 on the above page, select Port 587 in the Outgoing
mail (SMTP) box, not Port 25!

= After you've gotten the new (POP3) account set-up and working properly or
after 01 September, you should REMOVE (delete) your old (WebDAV) Hotmail
account he Tools | Accounts | Mail.

= When you access your Hotmail account via POP3, only the messages in your
inbox on the Hotmail web-page (http://mail.live.com) will download into OE.
Furthermore, these messages will download into OE's default Inbox and the
Hotmail-specific set of folders you're used to (cf.
http://articles.techrepublic.com.com...403shu01_C.gif)
will no longer be available.

Have more questions? See the FAQ page he
http://windowslivehelp.com/solutions...questions.aspx

Need more help? Visit the Hotmail Community Forum:
http://windowslivehelp.com/community/47.aspx

Why is this happening? Outlook Express [uses] a legacy communications method
(known as the WebDAV protocol) to access Hotmail. Because the WebDAV
protocol is not optimally suited for programs to access large inboxes such
as Hotmail, new alternatives have been built. Last year, user-feedback led
MS to postpone plans to retire the WebDAV protocol until more options were
available. Now that these options (including POP3 access) are available, MS
is ready to retire the WebDAV protocol.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
www.banthecheck.com

There is a problem with your advice on the Hotmail Community Forum: "If
you're already accessing your Hotmail account in Windows Live Mail, you
don't need to do anything."
That statement is true only if you add a Hotmail account to WLM.
If you import the Hotmail settings from OE either by manually importing an
iaf file or having WLM import the settings during the WLM install, the
WebDav server url will be imported.
Tools, Accounts, highlight, Properties, Server tab, DeltaSync must be listed
as the server url.

If you setup Hotmail in WLM using http, the server will be
http://mail.services.live.com/DeltaS....0.0/sync.aspx . This will
continue to work after Sept 1.

If you imported from Outlook Express, the server was
http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp . That will have to been
changed to the DeltaSync server.

I am not registered on the Hotmail Community Forum site.
--
Ron Sommer
MVP-Mail


"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
[crosspost to OE General & OE6 newsgroups]

This message is a follow-up to my post of 02 June 2009:
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...a7d2d5b76b171a

Microsoft is changing the way Outlook Express users access Hotmail
accounts. This change will require all Hotmail-in-OE users to take action
/before/ Tuesday, 01 September 2009.

If you use Outlook Express to access a Hotmail or MSN account, you will
need to set up a NEW MAIL ACCOUNT (OE: Tools | Accounts | Add | Mail) per
the instructions he


http://windowslivehelp.com/solutions...k-express.aspx

= NOTE: In Step #11 on the above page, select Port 587 in the Outgoing
mail (SMTP) box, not Port 25!

= After you've gotten the new (POP3) account set-up and working properly
or after 01 September, you should REMOVE (delete) your old (WebDAV)
Hotmail account he Tools | Accounts | Mail.

= When you access your Hotmail account via POP3, only the messages in
your inbox on the Hotmail web-page (http://mail.live.com) will download
into OE. Furthermore, these messages will download into OE's default Inbox
and the Hotmail-specific set of folders you're used to (cf.
http://articles.techrepublic.com.com...403shu01_C.gif)
will no longer be available.

Have more questions? See the FAQ page he
http://windowslivehelp.com/solutions...questions.aspx

Need more help? Visit the Hotmail Community Forum:
http://windowslivehelp.com/community/47.aspx

Why is this happening? Outlook Express [uses] a legacy communications
method (known as the WebDAV protocol) to access Hotmail. Because the
WebDAV protocol is not optimally suited for programs to access large
inboxes such as Hotmail, new alternatives have been built. Last year,
user-feedback led MS to postpone plans to retire the WebDAV protocol until
more options were available. Now that these options (including POP3
access) are available, MS is ready to retire the WebDAV protocol.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
www.banthecheck.com

Thanks/Noted.

Ron Sommer wrote:
There is a problem with your advice on the Hotmail Community Forum: "If
you're already accessing your Hotmail account in Windows Live Mail, you
don't need to do anything."
That statement is true only if you add a Hotmail account to WLM.
If you import the Hotmail settings from OE either by manually importing an
iaf file or having WLM import the settings during the WLM install, the
WebDav server url will be imported.
Tools, Accounts, highlight, Properties, Server tab, DeltaSync must be
listed
as the server url.

If you setup Hotmail in WLM using http, the server will be
http://mail.services.live.com/DeltaS....0.0/sync.aspx . This will
continue to work after Sept 1.

If you imported from Outlook Express, the server was
http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp . That will have to
been
changed to the DeltaSync server.

I am not registered on the Hotmail Community Forum site.

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
[crosspost to OE General & OE6 newsgroups]

This message is a follow-up to my post of 02 June 2009:
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...a7d2d5b76b171a

Microsoft is changing the way Outlook Express users access Hotmail
accounts. This change will require all Hotmail-in-OE users to take action
/before/ Tuesday, 01 September 2009.

If you use Outlook Express to access a Hotmail or MSN account, you will
need to set up a NEW MAIL ACCOUNT (OE: Tools | Accounts | Add | Mail) per
the instructions he


http://windowslivehelp.com/solutions...k-express.aspx

= NOTE: In Step #11 on the above page, select Port 587 in the
Outgoing
mail (SMTP) box, not Port 25!

= After you've gotten the new (POP3) account set-up and working properly
or after 01 September, you should REMOVE (delete) your old (WebDAV)
Hotmail account he Tools | Accounts | Mail.

= When you access your Hotmail account via POP3, only the messages in
your inbox on the Hotmail web-page (http://mail.live.com) will download
into OE. Furthermore, these messages will download into OE's default
Inbox
and the Hotmail-specific set of folders you're used to (cf.
http://articles.techrepublic.com.com...403shu01_C.gif)
will no longer be available.

Have more questions? See the FAQ page he
http://windowslivehelp.com/solutions...questions.aspx

Need more help? Visit the Hotmail Community Forum:
http://windowslivehelp.com/community/47.aspx

Why is this happening? Outlook Express [uses] a legacy communications
method (known as the WebDAV protocol) to access Hotmail. Because the
WebDAV protocol is not optimally suited for programs to access large
inboxes such as Hotmail, new alternatives have been built. Last year,
user-feedback led MS to postpone plans to retire the WebDAV protocol
until
more options were available. Now that these options (including POP3
access) are available, MS is ready to retire the WebDAV protocol.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
www.banthecheck.com

Ron...to supplement your comments...any of the following may be in use in OE or migrated/imported from OE into WLM

WebDAV Servers to be retired in Sept 2009
http://oe.msn.msnmail.hotmail.com/cgi-bin/hmdata (used with Msn.com accounts)
http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp (used with Hotmail.com accounts0
http://oe.hotmail.com/secure/hmdata (old server, very rare pre 2002 account creation , used with Hotmail.com accounts)



--
...winston
ms-mvp mail

"Ron Sommer" wrote in message ...

If you imported from Outlook Express, the server was
http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp . That will have to been
changed to the DeltaSync server.

@winston: Your assistance would be especially welcomed here right now:
http://windowslivehelp.com/community/47.aspx

I'm over it myself. eg


....winston wrote:
Ron...to supplement your comments...any of the following may be in use in
OE or migrated/imported from OE into WLM
WebDAV Servers to be retired in Sept 2009
http://oe.msn.msnmail.hotmail.com/cgi-bin/hmdata (used with Msn.com
accounts) http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp (used with
Hotmail.com accounts0 http://oe.hotmail.com/secure/hmdata (old server,
very rare pre 2002 account creation , used with Hotmail.com accounts)



"Ron Sommer" wrote in message
...

If you imported from Outlook Express, the server was
http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp . That will have to
been
changed to the DeltaSync server.

One reason I've come to dislike that forum when posting..
qp
Sorry, there was a problem with your last request!
Either the site is offline or an unhandled error occurred. We apologize and have logged the error. Please try your request again or
if you know who your site administrator is let them know too.
/qp



--
...winston
ms-mvp mail

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message ...
@winston: Your assistance would be especially welcomed here right now: http://windowslivehelp.com/community/47.aspx

I'm over it myself. eg


...winston wrote:
Ron...to supplement your comments...any of the following may be in use in
OE or migrated/imported from OE into WLM
WebDAV Servers to be retired in Sept 2009
http://oe.msn.msnmail.hotmail.com/cgi-bin/hmdata (used with Msn.com
accounts) http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp (used with
Hotmail.com accounts0 http://oe.hotmail.com/secure/hmdata (old server,
very rare pre 2002 account creation , used with Hotmail.com accounts)



"Ron Sommer" wrote in message
...

If you imported from Outlook Express, the server was
http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp . That will have to been
changed to the DeltaSync server.

Tell me about it. You can see how many posts I made today and that happened
to me several times. Soon I'd learned my lesson and started copying my post
to my clipboard before Submitting it. On some occasions when I tried to
repost, I got an "Administrator has disabled multiple posts of the same
message" error. Of course, none of my posts had shown up.


....winston wrote:
One reason I've come to dislike that forum when posting..
qp
Sorry, there was a problem with your last request!
Either the site is offline or an unhandled error occurred. We apologize
and
have logged the error. Please try your request again or if you know who
your site administrator is let them know too. /qp




"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
@winston: Your assistance would be especially welcomed here right now:
http://windowslivehelp.com/community/47.aspx I'm over it myself. eg


...winston wrote:
Ron...to supplement your comments...any of the following may be in use
in
OE or migrated/imported from OE into WLM
WebDAV Servers to be retired in Sept 2009
http://oe.msn.msnmail.hotmail.com/cgi-bin/hmdata (used with Msn.com
accounts) http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp (used with
Hotmail.com accounts0 http://oe.hotmail.com/secure/hmdata (old server,
very rare pre 2002 account creation , used with Hotmail.com accounts)



"Ron Sommer" wrote in message
...

If you imported from Outlook Express, the server was
http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp . That will have to
been changed to the DeltaSync server.

Tell me about it. You can see how many posts I made today and that happened
to me several times. Soon I'd learned my lesson and started copying my post
to my clipboard before Submitting it. On some occasions when I tried to
repost, I got an "Administrator has disabled multiple posts of the same
message" error. Of course, none of my posts had shown up.


....winston wrote:
One reason I've come to dislike that forum when posting..
qp
Sorry, there was a problem with your last request!
Either the site is offline or an unhandled error occurred. We apologize
and
have logged the error. Please try your request again or if you know who
your site administrator is let them know too. /qp




"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
@winston: Your assistance would be especially welcomed here right now:
http://windowslivehelp.com/community/47.aspx I'm over it myself. eg


...winston wrote:
Ron...to supplement your comments...any of the following may be in use
in
OE or migrated/imported from OE into WLM
WebDAV Servers to be retired in Sept 2009
http://oe.msn.msnmail.hotmail.com/cgi-bin/hmdata (used with Msn.com
accounts) http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp (used with
Hotmail.com accounts0 http://oe.hotmail.com/secure/hmdata (old server,
very rare pre 2002 account creation , used with Hotmail.com accounts)



"Ron Sommer" wrote in message
...

If you imported from Outlook Express, the server was
http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp . That will have to
been changed to the DeltaSync server.

One reason I've come to dislike that forum when posting..
qp
Sorry, there was a problem with your last request!
Either the site is offline or an unhandled error occurred. We apologize and have logged the error. Please try your request again or
if you know who your site administrator is let them know too.
/qp



--
...winston
ms-mvp mail

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message ...
@winston: Your assistance would be especially welcomed here right now: http://windowslivehelp.com/community/47.aspx

I'm over it myself. eg


...winston wrote:
Ron...to supplement your comments...any of the following may be in use in
OE or migrated/imported from OE into WLM
WebDAV Servers to be retired in Sept 2009
http://oe.msn.msnmail.hotmail.com/cgi-bin/hmdata (used with Msn.com
accounts) http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp (used with
Hotmail.com accounts0 http://oe.hotmail.com/secure/hmdata (old server,
very rare pre 2002 account creation , used with Hotmail.com accounts)



"Ron Sommer" wrote in message
...

If you imported from Outlook Express, the server was
http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp . That will have to been
changed to the DeltaSync server.

@winston: Your assistance would be especially welcomed here right now:
http://windowslivehelp.com/community/47.aspx

I'm over it myself. eg


....winston wrote:
Ron...to supplement your comments...any of the following may be in use in
OE or migrated/imported from OE into WLM
WebDAV Servers to be retired in Sept 2009
http://oe.msn.msnmail.hotmail.com/cgi-bin/hmdata (used with Msn.com
accounts) http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp (used with
Hotmail.com accounts0 http://oe.hotmail.com/secure/hmdata (old server,
very rare pre 2002 account creation , used with Hotmail.com accounts)



"Ron Sommer" wrote in message
...

If you imported from Outlook Express, the server was
http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp . That will have to
been
changed to the DeltaSync server.