MSN and/or Hotmail
 

With XP, I had used a program called Choicemail which, while advertised as a
great spam filter--and it is--it's great as a sort of server as it had a web
mail utility which allowed one to setup MSN and Hotmail accounts, for
example, and have that mail brought directly into the Outlook inbox. As I
use a PDA, I would like to be able to sync my mail and read the MSN mail
while I'm on the road. Moving to Vista, the old version of Choicemail
doesn't work and, sadly, their newly upgraded version no longer has the
webmail utitlity.

By any chance, do any of you know of any other method whereby one can add
the MSN or Hotmail accounts to Outlook WITHOUT adding a new set of folders
(inbox, trash, sent etc) on the desktop or, failing that, a way to trick
Outlook into letting me move the message from the MSN inbox to the Outlook
one?

Hmmm, or, come to think of it, maybe there's a way to sync with an MSN or
Hotmail account that I'm not aware of so if that's possible, I'd GLADLY take
that suggestion as well! :-)

Thanks,
Tim


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MSN and/or Hotmail
 

"TS Mathews" wrote in message
.. .
With XP, I had used a program called Choicemail

Which uses the challenge-response scheme embraced only by
irresponsible and unintelligent e-mail users. Read:
http://spamcop.net/fom-serve/cache/329.html#CR
http://spamlinks.net/filter-cr.htm#issues-harmful
http://spamlinks.net/prevent-secure-...atter-fake.htm
http://spamlinks.net/prevent-secure-backscatter.htm


which, while advertised as a great spam filter--and it is--it's
great as a sort of server as it had a web mail utility which allowed
one to setup MSN and Hotmail accounts, for example, and have that
mail brought directly into the Outlook inbox. As I use a PDA, I
would like to be able to sync my mail and read the MSN mail while
I'm on the road. Moving to Vista, the old version of Choicemail
doesn't work and, sadly, their newly upgraded version no longer has
the webmail utitlity.

Be warned that any innocents inflicted with your "challenge spam" can
report you to the blacklists which means you could be blacklisted by
recipients or ISPs using those blacklists. Misdirected backscatter,
especially when it is known to be misdirected (which means it was
deliberately sent in the blind), is reportable as spam.

If I get your challenge spam (i.e., not a challenge sent as a result
of me sending you e-mail):
(1) I will respond to it so that you WILL see the spam in your Inbox
that you attempted to avoid by using me as your unpaid and involuntary
spam filterer.
(2) You WILL get reported to SpamCop for your misdirected challenge.
If you throw your turds in my Inbox, I'll make you eat 'em.

By any chance, do any of you know of any other method whereby one
can add the MSN or Hotmail accounts to Outlook WITHOUT adding a new
set of folders (inbox, trash, sent etc) on the desktop or, failing
that, a way to trick Outlook into letting me move the message from
the MSN inbox to the Outlook one?

Nope. All POP3 and Exchange accounts get aggregated under one local
message store. Each HTTP account gets its own local message store
(and why you see another set of folders). I don't remember what
happens to IMAP accounts.

ChoiceMail, by doing the yanking for you those other accounts, was
doing the aggregating of them into your ChoiceMail account so to any
e-mail account it looked like they all got delivered to the one
account. Of course, this means the original headers could get lost or
changed so tracing the sender becomes more difficult if not
impossible.

Hmmm, or, come to think of it, maybe there's a way to sync with an
MSN or Hotmail account that I'm not aware of so if that's possible,
I'd GLADLY take that suggestion as well! :-)

I haven't used Hotmail Popper (http://www.boolean.ca/hotpop/) in
years. It might still work but I don't think it is free anymore.
Since it operates as a local POP3-to-HTTP proxy, you are retrieving
using POP3 in your e-mail client which (for Outlook) means those
e-mails get aggregated into your one local message store for
POP3/Exchange mails. However, since Hotmail Popper (or any 3rd party
service) needs to use WebDAV to access Hotmail, and since Hotmail
dropped access using WebDAV from freebie accounts back in November
2004, you will need a paid Hotmail account.

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You do realize that using Teranews' so-called "free" service (for
which you paid a signup fee but will not get refunded) results in them
spamifying your posts, right? Your posts are spam because of them
appending their spam signature.

MSN and/or Hotmail
 

I have no idea why you would make the totally incorrect assumption that I
allowed Choicemail to send the "challenge" message. Perhaps you're not
totally familiar with the program and don't realize that upon setting it
up, once can set it to NOT send a challenge message.

For future reference, rather than make insulting and absurd comments about
the intellect and responsibility of others, you should take a good look in
the mirror. So, since you seem to enjoy passing along suggested reading,
may I suggest Emily Post to you.


"VanguardLH" wrote in message
...
"TS Mathews" wrote in message
.. .
With XP, I had used a program called Choicemail

Which uses the challenge-response scheme embraced only by irresponsible
and unintelligent e-mail users. Read:
http://spamcop.net/fom-serve/cache/329.html#CR
http://spamlinks.net/filter-cr.htm#issues-harmful
http://spamlinks.net/prevent-secure-...atter-fake.htm
http://spamlinks.net/prevent-secure-backscatter.htm


which, while advertised as a great spam filter--and it is--it's great as
a sort of server as it had a web mail utility which allowed one to setup
MSN and Hotmail accounts, for example, and have that mail brought
directly into the Outlook inbox. As I use a PDA, I would like to be able
to sync my mail and read the MSN mail while I'm on the road. Moving to
Vista, the old version of Choicemail doesn't work and, sadly, their newly
upgraded version no longer has the webmail utitlity.

Be warned that any innocents inflicted with your "challenge spam" can
report you to the blacklists which means you could be blacklisted by
recipients or ISPs using those blacklists. Misdirected backscatter,
especially when it is known to be misdirected (which means it was
deliberately sent in the blind), is reportable as spam.

If I get your challenge spam (i.e., not a challenge sent as a result of me
sending you e-mail):
(1) I will respond to it so that you WILL see the spam in your Inbox that
you attempted to avoid by using me as your unpaid and involuntary spam
filterer.
(2) You WILL get reported to SpamCop for your misdirected challenge.
If you throw your turds in my Inbox, I'll make you eat 'em.

By any chance, do any of you know of any other method whereby one can add
the MSN or Hotmail accounts to Outlook WITHOUT adding a new set of
folders (inbox, trash, sent etc) on the desktop or, failing that, a way
to trick Outlook into letting me move the message from the MSN inbox to
the Outlook one?

Nope. All POP3 and Exchange accounts get aggregated under one local
message store. Each HTTP account gets its own local message store (and
why you see another set of folders). I don't remember what happens to
IMAP accounts.

ChoiceMail, by doing the yanking for you those other accounts, was doing
the aggregating of them into your ChoiceMail account so to any e-mail
account it looked like they all got delivered to the one account. Of
course, this means the original headers could get lost or changed so
tracing the sender becomes more difficult if not impossible.

Hmmm, or, come to think of it, maybe there's a way to sync with an MSN
or Hotmail account that I'm not aware of so if that's possible, I'd
GLADLY take that suggestion as well! :-)

I haven't used Hotmail Popper (http://www.boolean.ca/hotpop/) in years.
It might still work but I don't think it is free anymore. Since it
operates as a local POP3-to-HTTP proxy, you are retrieving using POP3 in
your e-mail client which (for Outlook) means those e-mails get aggregated
into your one local message store for POP3/Exchange mails. However, since
Hotmail Popper (or any 3rd party service) needs to use WebDAV to access
Hotmail, and since Hotmail dropped access using WebDAV from freebie
accounts back in November 2004, you will need a paid Hotmail account.

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You do realize that using Teranews' so-called "free" service (for which
you paid a signup fee but will not get refunded) results in them
spamifying your posts, right? Your posts are spam because of them
appending their spam signature.



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MSN and/or Hotmail
 

"TS Mathews" wrote ...
I have no idea why you would make the totally incorrect assumption
that I allowed Choicemail to send the "challenge" message. Perhaps
you're not totally familiar with the program and don't realize that
upon setting it up, once can set it to NOT send a challenge message.

When investigating how C-R works, Choicemail was one of the available
providers at the time. However, after finding out how the challenges
are sent in the blind, I contacted them and a couple other C-R
providers (I'd have to go search Google Groups to find my old post)
and forced them over repeated communications to acknowledge their
inability to know the true sender when the e-mail is delivered using
SMTP. They finally admitted that C-R was a stopgap feature and
suffered the problems that I noted. I have yet to see them implement
more intelligent algorithms in determining the true sender.

I had a ChoiceMail account to investigate their service (and did the
same with BlueBottle) and, yes, I know that you can disable C-R. I
also know that many e-mail providers let users deselect the anti-spam
filter that is enabled by default when they create a new account but,
again, the numbers that do so are the vast minority. The "draw" of
ChoiceMail, BlueBottle, and other C-R enabled providers is the fact
that they offer C-R so it is a very good bet that anyone asking about
using those C-R providers also has left enabled the C-R feature.
Since you threw in with a C-R provider, you get blemished along with
them. Yes, you could be the one of a few of the uninfected on a leper
colony but that doesn't change the behavior of outsiders from avoiding
the island to which you got dumped along with the lepers.

C-R sucks. Using a C-R provider puts you in their company. You get
blemished by association. I don't see that you mentioned using a
well-known C-R provider but chose not to use their primary means of
spam filtering. If you are the exception and don't want to be lumped
in with the persona of a group to which you are associated then you
had better mention that you are the exception.

Someone who says they are a member of NRA very probably has a gun.
Someone that says they use a C-R provider very probably uses C-R.
Don't expect anyone to make assumptions that you are the exception.

MSN and/or Hotmail
 

Perhaps you travel in strange circles and feel some overwhelming need to
track down and verify who actually sent you messages. I just read the mail
and, if it sounds like the person I know, I assume it's from them. Unless
and until one of them suggests I send them money to help a Nigerian friend
of theirs get money out of the country, I'm not going to spend a lot of my
time worrying about whether or not they really sent me the message I'm
reading.

Hmmm, the more I think about your concern about people out to get you with
fake mail or newsgroup postings...you're not also having a problem with MI5
being out to get you, are you? :-)


"VanguardLH" wrote in message
...
"TS Mathews" wrote ...
I have no idea why you would make the totally incorrect assumption that I
allowed Choicemail to send the "challenge" message. Perhaps you're not
totally familiar with the program and don't realize that upon setting it
up, once can set it to NOT send a challenge message.

When investigating how C-R works, Choicemail was one of the available
providers at the time. However, after finding out how the challenges are
sent in the blind, I contacted them and a couple other C-R providers (I'd
have to go search Google Groups to find my old post) and forced them over
repeated communications to acknowledge their inability to know the true
sender when the e-mail is delivered using SMTP. They finally admitted
that C-R was a stopgap feature and suffered the problems that I noted. I
have yet to see them implement more intelligent algorithms in determining
the true sender.

I had a ChoiceMail account to investigate their service (and did the same
with BlueBottle) and, yes, I know that you can disable C-R. I also know
that many e-mail providers let users deselect the anti-spam filter that is
enabled by default when they create a new account but, again, the numbers
that do so are the vast minority. The "draw" of ChoiceMail, BlueBottle,
and other C-R enabled providers is the fact that they offer C-R so it is a
very good bet that anyone asking about using those C-R providers also has
left enabled the C-R feature. Since you threw in with a C-R provider, you
get blemished along with them. Yes, you could be the one of a few of the
uninfected on a leper colony but that doesn't change the behavior of
outsiders from avoiding the island to which you got dumped along with the
lepers.

C-R sucks. Using a C-R provider puts you in their company. You get
blemished by association. I don't see that you mentioned using a
well-known C-R provider but chose not to use their primary means of spam
filtering. If you are the exception and don't want to be lumped in with
the persona of a group to which you are associated then you had better
mention that you are the exception.

Someone who says they are a member of NRA very probably has a gun. Someone
that says they use a C-R provider very probably uses C-R. Don't expect
anyone to make assumptions that you are the exception.



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MSN and/or Hotmail
 

"TS Mathews" wrote in message
.. .

Perhaps you travel in strange circles and feel some overwhelming
need to track down and verify who actually sent you messages. I
just read the mail and, if it sounds like the person I know, I
assume it's from them. Unless and until one of them suggests I send
them money to help a Nigerian friend of theirs get money out of the
country, I'm not going to spend a lot of my time worrying about
whether or not they really sent me the message I'm reading.

Hmmm, the more I think about your concern about people out to get
you with fake mail or newsgroup postings...you're not also having a
problem with MI5 being out to get you, are you? :-)


You haven't bothered to read the articles that I mentioned, have you?
It is not about me. It is about irresponsible users that employ C-R
to clean up their Inbox at the expense of others. Spam solutions
should affect you. They should not harm or even irritate others.
It's YOUR mailbox, not someone else's to keep it clean for you. C-R
users want to use others as their surrogate mommy to change their
diaper or wipe their butt. C-R users are from the same slime bucket
as spammers. Did you think I was going to post glowing tributes for
spammers, too?

MSN and/or Hotmail
 

And you're not reading mine...I'm not one of those bottom dwelling scum who
are doing what you seem to think I am. I have no interest in the articles
you must have written as I neither produce spam nor have a personal problem
in getting it.

Do you not think it's more than a little ironic that you--who claim to be
having such problems with all this crap in your inbox--are try to tell
me--who has none--how I should conduct myself?


"VanguardLH" wrote in message
...
"TS Mathews" wrote in message
.. .

Perhaps you travel in strange circles and feel some overwhelming need to
track down and verify who actually sent you messages. I just read the
mail and, if it sounds like the person I know, I assume it's from them.
Unless and until one of them suggests I send them money to help a
Nigerian friend of theirs get money out of the country, I'm not going to
spend a lot of my time worrying about whether or not they really sent me
the message I'm reading.

Hmmm, the more I think about your concern about people out to get you
with fake mail or newsgroup postings...you're not also having a problem
with MI5 being out to get you, are you? :-)


You haven't bothered to read the articles that I mentioned, have you? It
is not about me. It is about irresponsible users that employ C-R to clean
up their Inbox at the expense of others. Spam solutions should affect
you. They should not harm or even irritate others. It's YOUR mailbox, not
someone else's to keep it clean for you. C-R users want to use others as
their surrogate mommy to change their diaper or wipe their butt. C-R
users are from the same slime bucket as spammers. Did you think I was
going to post glowing tributes for spammers, too?



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