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Old August 7th 06, 09:51 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress
glen
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 41
Default Outlook Express won't forward

I sent myself a clean graphics page from the web, then try to forward it on
to myself and the other user. Got the usual 'picture will not show up.'
--
gbodd


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

The e-mail that you sent yourself *did* have a graphic included, correct?
But it wouldn't forward to yourself after that?
--
Bruce Hagen
MS MVP - Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Glen" wrote in message
...
Bruce H. wrote:
" Now, you did say that when you created an e-mail and sent it to yourself
you
got the message on the original send and not even a forward?"
------------When I created and e-mail and sent it to me everything was
fine. Anything that is text will go without any problems and is not a
forward with pictures or graphics in it.


--
gbodd


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Leave AVG running, but do turn of the e-mail scanning. Sometimes this
doesn't stick with AVG and you have to uninstall it and reinstall and
choose
Custom Mode and uncheck e-mail scanning there.

I use AVG and have had e-mail scanning turned of since day one. Should
you
feel apprehensive about this:

This is from Symantec, but applies to all anti-virus programs.

From:
http://snipurl.com/bmf6

Is my computer still protected against viruses if I disable Email
Scanning?

Disabling Email Scanning does not leave you unprotected against viruses
that
are distributed as email attachments. Norton AntiVirus Auto-Protect scans
incoming files as they are saved to your hard drive, including email and
email attachments. Email Scanning is just another layer on top of this.
To
make sure that Auto-Protect is providing the maximum protection, keep
Auto-Protect enabled and run LiveUpdate regularly to ensure that you have
the most recent virus definitions.

Now, you did say that when you created an e-mail and sent it to yourself
you
got the message on the original send and not even a forward? If nothing
previously suggested helps, then let's try a new Outbox and Sent Items
folder.

Do the following for the Outbox, and if the problem persists, repeat for
Sent Items after you move any messages you wish to save to a local folder
you create.

Tools | Options | Maintenance | Store Folder will reveal the location of
your Outlook Express files. Press the Tab key to highlight the folder
location, then Ctrl+C. Close OE, then Start | Run | Ctrl+V will put the
location in the box - Click OK and you'll see the OE files. Otherwise,
write
the location down and navigate to it in Windows Explorer.

In Windows XP, 2K & 3K, the OE user files (DBX and WAB) are by default
marked as hidden. To view these files in Windows Explorer, you must
enable
Show Hidden Files and Folders under Start | Control Panel | Folder
Options |
View.

With OE closed, find the DBX file for the folder in question {Outbox.dbx}
and delete it. A new one will be created automatically when you open OE.

General precautions for Outlook Express:

Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually become
corrupt. Create your own user defined folders for storing mail and move
your
mail to them. Empty Deleted Items folder regularly. Keep user created
folders under 100MB, and Default folders as empty as is feasible.

After you are done, follow up by compacting your folders manually while
working *offline* and do it often.

Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so no folders are
open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click Working Online in the
Status Bar). File | Folder | Compact all folders. Don't touch anything
until
the compacting is completed.

Turn off e-mail scanning in your anti-virus program. It is a redundant
layer
of protection that eats up CPUs and causes a multitude of problems such
as
time-outs and account setting changes. Your up-to-date A/V program will
continue to protect you sufficiently. For more, see:
http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3

In Tools | Options | Maintenance: Uncheck Compact messages in background
and
leave it unchecked. {N/A if running XP/SP2}.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS MVP - Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Glen" wrote in message
...
This is a home computer with one other person..
I have AVG and I did the test the other day with my e-mail turned off
and
it
didn't do one bit of good..................What is so frustrating is
that
I
have taken pains over the past nine years to learn everything that I
can
and
to continue studying and learning. This is the first time that I have
had
something that I could not do myself. The other user of this computer
doesn't
even try to correct things and relies strictly on me.
Do you suggest that I do go on and disable the email scanner on the
computer? I am with Charter Cable and they have absolutely nothing
that
protects you from receiving viruses or spam. Wish that I still had Cox
Cable.
--
gbodd


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Two identities with the same problem. That is possible, but less
likely.
You
can try a third to see. Easily deleted if it is of no help.

Are you scanning e-mail? Turn it off. It adds no extra protection and
could
be the cause.

This isn't a networked computer at your job per chance?
--
Bruce Hagen
MS MVP - Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Glen" wrote in message
...
I am not the main identity on this computer, but it is also having
the
same
problem. Would something like that affect both of us?
--
gbodd


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

You may have a damaged identity especially if it is the default
Main
Identity. File | Identity | Add New Identity. Create a new one and
test
it.
If all is well, you can import your messages from the old identity
and
delete it.

How to Create and Use Identities in Outlook Express
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=209169
--
Bruce Hagen
MS MVP - Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Glen" wrote in message
...
I have sent things to myself and that box pops up every time and
when
it
gets
to me, there are no pictures, only the little box with a red X.
Whenever
I
send out anything that has cartoon, picture, web page that I've
sent
to
me
that has pictures, etc., I have to 'forward as attachment' if I
want
others
to see it. I have never, ever had this problem before until a
couple
of
weeks agao. Many recipients are very hesitant in receiving a
'forward
as
attachment' and I don't blame them. I am also. My virus program
scans
&
updates every day and I always check for spam.
All I want is to be able to clean up and forward things the way I
have
been
doing it for years. Have no idea what to do next, so any help is
very
appreciated.
--
gbodd


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Emily just spammed this newsgroup with about 20 or so useless
replies.
Pay
no attention to her.

If you create your own message and Insert a picture and send it
to
yourself,
does that work OK? If so, try to Forward that to yourself and
see
if
it
still works.

If your problem only happens sometimes, it may be the senders
e-mail
client,
or how they are inserting the pictures.

Try a test to yourself and also note what shows in Sent Items.
If a
picture
is there, then it was received by your ISP intact.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS MVP - Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Glen" wrote in message
...
Bruce, I think that I am totally confused now. What was Emily
trying
to
say?
All I simply want is to be able to forward email with things
other
than
plain text. I have done everything humanly possible that
needs
to
be
done.
All boxes checked or unchecked, scanning for any problems as
far
as
virus
or
spam, etc. Whenever I try to forward something (I always
clean
it
before
it
is mailed), a little box pops up that says....."One or more of
these
pictures
could not be found. When you send this message, these pictures
will
not
be
included."
HTML in 'Sent Message' has been checked, along with picture.
I've
gone
into
IE6 and have checked or unchecked box that should pertain to
the
problem.
Understand that this did not begin happening until around two
weeks
ago
and
it is happening with everything I try to foreward that might
have
pictures.
It's like I'm 'Text only', which I'm not. Help me please.
--
gbodd


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

  #2  
Old August 7th 06, 09:55 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress
Bruce Hagen
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 10,210
Default Outlook Express won't forward

Open a new message window and Insert | Picture and select one from a folder
on your HDD and test it. A graphic Web page is very likely to have problems.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS MVP - Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Glen" wrote in message
...
I sent myself a clean graphics page from the web, then try to forward it on
to myself and the other user. Got the usual 'picture will not show up.'
--
gbodd


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

The e-mail that you sent yourself *did* have a graphic included, correct?
But it wouldn't forward to yourself after that?
--
Bruce Hagen
MS MVP - Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Glen" wrote in message
...
Bruce H. wrote:
" Now, you did say that when you created an e-mail and sent it to
yourself
you
got the message on the original send and not even a forward?"
------------When I created and e-mail and sent it to me everything
was
fine. Anything that is text will go without any problems and is not a
forward with pictures or graphics in it.


--
gbodd


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Leave AVG running, but do turn of the e-mail scanning. Sometimes this
doesn't stick with AVG and you have to uninstall it and reinstall and
choose
Custom Mode and uncheck e-mail scanning there.

I use AVG and have had e-mail scanning turned of since day one. Should
you
feel apprehensive about this:

This is from Symantec, but applies to all anti-virus programs.

From:
http://snipurl.com/bmf6

Is my computer still protected against viruses if I disable Email
Scanning?

Disabling Email Scanning does not leave you unprotected against
viruses
that
are distributed as email attachments. Norton AntiVirus Auto-Protect
scans
incoming files as they are saved to your hard drive, including email
and
email attachments. Email Scanning is just another layer on top of
this.
To
make sure that Auto-Protect is providing the maximum protection, keep
Auto-Protect enabled and run LiveUpdate regularly to ensure that you
have
the most recent virus definitions.

Now, you did say that when you created an e-mail and sent it to
yourself
you
got the message on the original send and not even a forward? If
nothing
previously suggested helps, then let's try a new Outbox and Sent Items
folder.

Do the following for the Outbox, and if the problem persists, repeat
for
Sent Items after you move any messages you wish to save to a local
folder
you create.

Tools | Options | Maintenance | Store Folder will reveal the location
of
your Outlook Express files. Press the Tab key to highlight the folder
location, then Ctrl+C. Close OE, then Start | Run | Ctrl+V will put
the
location in the box - Click OK and you'll see the OE files. Otherwise,
write
the location down and navigate to it in Windows Explorer.

In Windows XP, 2K & 3K, the OE user files (DBX and WAB) are by default
marked as hidden. To view these files in Windows Explorer, you must
enable
Show Hidden Files and Folders under Start | Control Panel | Folder
Options |
View.

With OE closed, find the DBX file for the folder in question
{Outbox.dbx}
and delete it. A new one will be created automatically when you open
OE.

General precautions for Outlook Express:

Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually become
corrupt. Create your own user defined folders for storing mail and
move
your
mail to them. Empty Deleted Items folder regularly. Keep user created
folders under 100MB, and Default folders as empty as is feasible.

After you are done, follow up by compacting your folders manually
while
working *offline* and do it often.

Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so no folders
are
open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click Working Online in the
Status Bar). File | Folder | Compact all folders. Don't touch anything
until
the compacting is completed.

Turn off e-mail scanning in your anti-virus program. It is a redundant
layer
of protection that eats up CPUs and causes a multitude of problems
such
as
time-outs and account setting changes. Your up-to-date A/V program
will
continue to protect you sufficiently. For more, see:
http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3

In Tools | Options | Maintenance: Uncheck Compact messages in
background
and
leave it unchecked. {N/A if running XP/SP2}.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS MVP - Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Glen" wrote in message
...
This is a home computer with one other person..
I have AVG and I did the test the other day with my e-mail turned
off
and
it
didn't do one bit of good..................What is so frustrating is
that
I
have taken pains over the past nine years to learn everything that I
can
and
to continue studying and learning. This is the first time that I
have
had
something that I could not do myself. The other user of this
computer
doesn't
even try to correct things and relies strictly on me.
Do you suggest that I do go on and disable the email scanner on the
computer? I am with Charter Cable and they have absolutely nothing
that
protects you from receiving viruses or spam. Wish that I still had
Cox
Cable.
--
gbodd


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Two identities with the same problem. That is possible, but less
likely.
You
can try a third to see. Easily deleted if it is of no help.

Are you scanning e-mail? Turn it off. It adds no extra protection
and
could
be the cause.

This isn't a networked computer at your job per chance?
--
Bruce Hagen
MS MVP - Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Glen" wrote in message
...
I am not the main identity on this computer, but it is also having
the
same
problem. Would something like that affect both of us?
--
gbodd


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

You may have a damaged identity especially if it is the default
Main
Identity. File | Identity | Add New Identity. Create a new one
and
test
it.
If all is well, you can import your messages from the old
identity
and
delete it.

How to Create and Use Identities in Outlook Express
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=209169
--
Bruce Hagen
MS MVP - Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Glen" wrote in message
...
I have sent things to myself and that box pops up every time
and
when
it
gets
to me, there are no pictures, only the little box with a red
X.
Whenever
I
send out anything that has cartoon, picture, web page that
I've
sent
to
me
that has pictures, etc., I have to 'forward as attachment' if
I
want
others
to see it. I have never, ever had this problem before until
a
couple
of
weeks agao. Many recipients are very hesitant in receiving a
'forward
as
attachment' and I don't blame them. I am also. My virus
program
scans
&
updates every day and I always check for spam.
All I want is to be able to clean up and forward things the
way I
have
been
doing it for years. Have no idea what to do next, so any help
is
very
appreciated.
--
gbodd


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Emily just spammed this newsgroup with about 20 or so useless
replies.
Pay
no attention to her.

If you create your own message and Insert a picture and send
it
to
yourself,
does that work OK? If so, try to Forward that to yourself and
see
if
it
still works.

If your problem only happens sometimes, it may be the senders
e-mail
client,
or how they are inserting the pictures.

Try a test to yourself and also note what shows in Sent
Items.
If a
picture
is there, then it was received by your ISP intact.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS MVP - Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Glen" wrote in message
...
Bruce, I think that I am totally confused now. What was
Emily
trying
to
say?
All I simply want is to be able to forward email with
things
other
than
plain text. I have done everything humanly possible that
needs
to
be
done.
All boxes checked or unchecked, scanning for any problems
as
far
as
virus
or
spam, etc. Whenever I try to forward something (I always
clean
it
before
it
is mailed), a little box pops up that says....."One or more
of
these
pictures
could not be found. When you send this message, these
pictures
will
not
be
included."
HTML in 'Sent Message' has been checked, along with
picture.
I've
gone
into
IE6 and have checked or unchecked box that should pertain
to
the
problem.
Understand that this did not begin happening until around
two
weeks
ago
and
it is happening with everything I try to foreward that
might
have
pictures.
It's like I'm 'Text only', which I'm not. Help me
please.
--
gbodd


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:


  #3  
Old August 7th 06, 10:21 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress
glen
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 41
Default Outlook Express won't forward

I chose a picture under Documents & Settings on the hard drive. Sent it to
me. Came in just fine. Forwarded it to myself & other user and it went
through just fine without any problem.
--
gbodd


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Open a new message window and Insert | Picture and select one from a folder
on your HDD and test it. A graphic Web page is very likely to have problems.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS MVP - Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Glen" wrote in message
...
I sent myself a clean graphics page from the web, then try to forward it on
to myself and the other user. Got the usual 'picture will not show up.'
--
gbodd


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

The e-mail that you sent yourself *did* have a graphic included, correct?
But it wouldn't forward to yourself after that?
--
Bruce Hagen
MS MVP - Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Glen" wrote in message
...
Bruce H. wrote:
" Now, you did say that when you created an e-mail and sent it to
yourself
you
got the message on the original send and not even a forward?"
------------When I created and e-mail and sent it to me everything
was
fine. Anything that is text will go without any problems and is not a
forward with pictures or graphics in it.


--
gbodd


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Leave AVG running, but do turn of the e-mail scanning. Sometimes this
doesn't stick with AVG and you have to uninstall it and reinstall and
choose
Custom Mode and uncheck e-mail scanning there.

I use AVG and have had e-mail scanning turned of since day one. Should
you
feel apprehensive about this:

This is from Symantec, but applies to all anti-virus programs.

From:
http://snipurl.com/bmf6

Is my computer still protected against viruses if I disable Email
Scanning?

Disabling Email Scanning does not leave you unprotected against
viruses
that
are distributed as email attachments. Norton AntiVirus Auto-Protect
scans
incoming files as they are saved to your hard drive, including email
and
email attachments. Email Scanning is just another layer on top of
this.
To
make sure that Auto-Protect is providing the maximum protection, keep
Auto-Protect enabled and run LiveUpdate regularly to ensure that you
have
the most recent virus definitions.

Now, you did say that when you created an e-mail and sent it to
yourself
you
got the message on the original send and not even a forward? If
nothing
previously suggested helps, then let's try a new Outbox and Sent Items
folder.

Do the following for the Outbox, and if the problem persists, repeat
for
Sent Items after you move any messages you wish to save to a local
folder
you create.

Tools | Options | Maintenance | Store Folder will reveal the location
of
your Outlook Express files. Press the Tab key to highlight the folder
location, then Ctrl+C. Close OE, then Start | Run | Ctrl+V will put
the
location in the box - Click OK and you'll see the OE files. Otherwise,
write
the location down and navigate to it in Windows Explorer.

In Windows XP, 2K & 3K, the OE user files (DBX and WAB) are by default
marked as hidden. To view these files in Windows Explorer, you must
enable
Show Hidden Files and Folders under Start | Control Panel | Folder
Options |
View.

With OE closed, find the DBX file for the folder in question
{Outbox.dbx}
and delete it. A new one will be created automatically when you open
OE.

General precautions for Outlook Express:

Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually become
corrupt. Create your own user defined folders for storing mail and
move
your
mail to them. Empty Deleted Items folder regularly. Keep user created
folders under 100MB, and Default folders as empty as is feasible.

After you are done, follow up by compacting your folders manually
while
working *offline* and do it often.

Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so no folders
are
open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click Working Online in the
Status Bar). File | Folder | Compact all folders. Don't touch anything
until
the compacting is completed.

Turn off e-mail scanning in your anti-virus program. It is a redundant
layer
of protection that eats up CPUs and causes a multitude of problems
such
as
time-outs and account setting changes. Your up-to-date A/V program
will
continue to protect you sufficiently. For more, see:
http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3

In Tools | Options | Maintenance: Uncheck Compact messages in
background
and
leave it unchecked. {N/A if running XP/SP2}.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS MVP - Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Glen" wrote in message
...
This is a home computer with one other person..
I have AVG and I did the test the other day with my e-mail turned
off
and
it
didn't do one bit of good..................What is so frustrating is
that
I
have taken pains over the past nine years to learn everything that I
can
and
to continue studying and learning. This is the first time that I
have
had
something that I could not do myself. The other user of this
computer
doesn't
even try to correct things and relies strictly on me.
Do you suggest that I do go on and disable the email scanner on the
computer? I am with Charter Cable and they have absolutely nothing
that
protects you from receiving viruses or spam. Wish that I still had
Cox
Cable.
--
gbodd


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Two identities with the same problem. That is possible, but less
likely.
You
can try a third to see. Easily deleted if it is of no help.

Are you scanning e-mail? Turn it off. It adds no extra protection
and
could
be the cause.

This isn't a networked computer at your job per chance?
--
Bruce Hagen
MS MVP - Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Glen" wrote in message
...
I am not the main identity on this computer, but it is also having
the
same
problem. Would something like that affect both of us?
--
gbodd


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

You may have a damaged identity especially if it is the default
Main
Identity. File | Identity | Add New Identity. Create a new one
and
test
it.
If all is well, you can import your messages from the old
identity
and
delete it.

How to Create and Use Identities in Outlook Express
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=209169
--
Bruce Hagen
MS MVP - Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Glen" wrote in message
...
I have sent things to myself and that box pops up every time
and
when
it
gets
to me, there are no pictures, only the little box with a red
X.
Whenever
I
send out anything that has cartoon, picture, web page that
I've
sent
to
me
that has pictures, etc., I have to 'forward as attachment' if
I
want
others
to see it. I have never, ever had this problem before until
a
couple
of
weeks agao. Many recipients are very hesitant in receiving a
'forward
as
attachment' and I don't blame them. I am also. My virus
program
scans
&
updates every day and I always check for spam.
All I want is to be able to clean up and forward things the
way I
have
been
doing it for years. Have no idea what to do next, so any help
is
very
appreciated.
--
gbodd


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Emily just spammed this newsgroup with about 20 or so useless
replies.
Pay
no attention to her.

If you create your own message and Insert a picture and send
it
to
yourself,
does that work OK? If so, try to Forward that to yourself and
see
if
it
still works.

If your problem only happens sometimes, it may be the senders
e-mail
client,
or how they are inserting the pictures.

Try a test to yourself and also note what shows in Sent
Items.
If a
picture
is there, then it was received by your ISP intact.
--
Bruce Hagen

  #4  
Old August 7th 06, 10:29 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress
Bruce Hagen
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 10,210
Default Outlook Express won't forward

Then what you are receiving isn't inserted properly by the sender. For
example, a simple copy/paste may get to the first recipient but that's it.

So the problem is not on your end. Should you ever have this situation in
the future and want to send the picture on to others, you will have to save
the picture to your HDD and then insert it in a new message.

There is nothing for you to do unless you can instruct the sender to send
graphics correctly.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS MVP - Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Glen" wrote in message
...
I chose a picture under Documents & Settings on the hard drive. Sent it to
me. Came in just fine. Forwarded it to myself & other user and it went
through just fine without any problem.
--
gbodd


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Open a new message window and Insert | Picture and select one from a
folder
on your HDD and test it. A graphic Web page is very likely to have
problems.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS MVP - Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Glen" wrote in message
...
I sent myself a clean graphics page from the web, then try to forward it
on
to myself and the other user. Got the usual 'picture will not show
up.'
--
gbodd


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

The e-mail that you sent yourself *did* have a graphic included,
correct?
But it wouldn't forward to yourself after that?
--
Bruce Hagen
MS MVP - Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Glen" wrote in message
...
Bruce H. wrote:
" Now, you did say that when you created an e-mail and sent it to
yourself
you
got the message on the original send and not even a forward?"
------------When I created and e-mail and sent it to me everything
was
fine. Anything that is text will go without any problems and is not
a
forward with pictures or graphics in it.


--
gbodd


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Leave AVG running, but do turn of the e-mail scanning. Sometimes
this
doesn't stick with AVG and you have to uninstall it and reinstall
and
choose
Custom Mode and uncheck e-mail scanning there.

I use AVG and have had e-mail scanning turned of since day one.
Should
you
feel apprehensive about this:

This is from Symantec, but applies to all anti-virus programs.

From:
http://snipurl.com/bmf6

Is my computer still protected against viruses if I disable Email
Scanning?

Disabling Email Scanning does not leave you unprotected against
viruses
that
are distributed as email attachments. Norton AntiVirus Auto-Protect
scans
incoming files as they are saved to your hard drive, including
email
and
email attachments. Email Scanning is just another layer on top of
this.
To
make sure that Auto-Protect is providing the maximum protection,
keep
Auto-Protect enabled and run LiveUpdate regularly to ensure that
you
have
the most recent virus definitions.

Now, you did say that when you created an e-mail and sent it to
yourself
you
got the message on the original send and not even a forward? If
nothing
previously suggested helps, then let's try a new Outbox and Sent
Items
folder.

Do the following for the Outbox, and if the problem persists,
repeat
for
Sent Items after you move any messages you wish to save to a local
folder
you create.

Tools | Options | Maintenance | Store Folder will reveal the
location
of
your Outlook Express files. Press the Tab key to highlight the
folder
location, then Ctrl+C. Close OE, then Start | Run | Ctrl+V will put
the
location in the box - Click OK and you'll see the OE files.
Otherwise,
write
the location down and navigate to it in Windows Explorer.

In Windows XP, 2K & 3K, the OE user files (DBX and WAB) are by
default
marked as hidden. To view these files in Windows Explorer, you must
enable
Show Hidden Files and Folders under Start | Control Panel | Folder
Options |
View.

With OE closed, find the DBX file for the folder in question
{Outbox.dbx}
and delete it. A new one will be created automatically when you
open
OE.

General precautions for Outlook Express:

Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually
become
corrupt. Create your own user defined folders for storing mail and
move
your
mail to them. Empty Deleted Items folder regularly. Keep user
created
folders under 100MB, and Default folders as empty as is feasible.

After you are done, follow up by compacting your folders manually
while
working *offline* and do it often.

Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so no
folders
are
open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click Working Online in
the
Status Bar). File | Folder | Compact all folders. Don't touch
anything
until
the compacting is completed.

Turn off e-mail scanning in your anti-virus program. It is a
redundant
layer
of protection that eats up CPUs and causes a multitude of problems
such
as
time-outs and account setting changes. Your up-to-date A/V program
will
continue to protect you sufficiently. For more, see:
http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3

In Tools | Options | Maintenance: Uncheck Compact messages in
background
and
leave it unchecked. {N/A if running XP/SP2}.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS MVP - Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Glen" wrote in message
...
This is a home computer with one other person..
I have AVG and I did the test the other day with my e-mail turned
off
and
it
didn't do one bit of good..................What is so frustrating
is
that
I
have taken pains over the past nine years to learn everything
that I
can
and
to continue studying and learning. This is the first time that I
have
had
something that I could not do myself. The other user of this
computer
doesn't
even try to correct things and relies strictly on me.
Do you suggest that I do go on and disable the email scanner on
the
computer? I am with Charter Cable and they have absolutely
nothing
that
protects you from receiving viruses or spam. Wish that I still
had
Cox
Cable.
--
gbodd


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Two identities with the same problem. That is possible, but less
likely.
You
can try a third to see. Easily deleted if it is of no help.

Are you scanning e-mail? Turn it off. It adds no extra
protection
and
could
be the cause.

This isn't a networked computer at your job per chance?
--
Bruce Hagen
MS MVP - Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Glen" wrote in message
...
I am not the main identity on this computer, but it is also
having
the
same
problem. Would something like that affect both of us?
--
gbodd


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

You may have a damaged identity especially if it is the
default
Main
Identity. File | Identity | Add New Identity. Create a new
one
and
test
it.
If all is well, you can import your messages from the old
identity
and
delete it.

How to Create and Use Identities in Outlook Express
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=209169
--
Bruce Hagen
MS MVP - Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Glen" wrote in message
...
I have sent things to myself and that box pops up every time
and
when
it
gets
to me, there are no pictures, only the little box with a
red
X.
Whenever
I
send out anything that has cartoon, picture, web page that
I've
sent
to
me
that has pictures, etc., I have to 'forward as attachment'
if
I
want
others
to see it. I have never, ever had this problem before
until
a
couple
of
weeks agao. Many recipients are very hesitant in receiving
a
'forward
as
attachment' and I don't blame them. I am also. My virus
program
scans
&
updates every day and I always check for spam.
All I want is to be able to clean up and forward things the
way I
have
been
doing it for years. Have no idea what to do next, so any
help
is
very
appreciated.
--
gbodd


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Emily just spammed this newsgroup with about 20 or so
useless
replies.
Pay
no attention to her.

If you create your own message and Insert a picture and
send
it
to
yourself,
does that work OK? If so, try to Forward that to yourself
and
see
if
it
still works.

If your problem only happens sometimes, it may be the
senders
e-mail
client,
or how they are inserting the pictures.

Try a test to yourself and also note what shows in Sent
Items.
If a
picture
is there, then it was received by your ISP intact.
--
Bruce Hagen


  #5  
Old August 7th 06, 10:53 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress
glen
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 41
Default Outlook Express won't forward

I thank you for your help Bruce. My only question is, why is it that it is
every person who sends me something that might have graphics or pictures in
it. Can't forward any of them w/out 'Forward as Attachment...'
I do go into the Windows Live Safety Center and have them take care of
everything for me at least once a week. I love it!
Again, thank you for taking the time.
--
gbodd


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Then what you are receiving isn't inserted properly by the sender. For
example, a simple copy/paste may get to the first recipient but that's it.

So the problem is not on your end. Should you ever have this situation in
the future and want to send the picture on to others, you will have to save
the picture to your HDD and then insert it in a new message.

There is nothing for you to do unless you can instruct the sender to send
graphics correctly.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS MVP - Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Glen" wrote in message
...
I chose a picture under Documents & Settings on the hard drive. Sent it to
me. Came in just fine. Forwarded it to myself & other user and it went
through just fine without any problem.
--
gbodd


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Open a new message window and Insert | Picture and select one from a
folder
on your HDD and test it. A graphic Web page is very likely to have
problems.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS MVP - Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Glen" wrote in message
...
I sent myself a clean graphics page from the web, then try to forward it
on
to myself and the other user. Got the usual 'picture will not show
up.'
--
gbodd


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

The e-mail that you sent yourself *did* have a graphic included,
correct?
But it wouldn't forward to yourself after that?
--
Bruce Hagen
MS MVP - Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Glen" wrote in message
...
Bruce H. wrote:
" Now, you did say that when you created an e-mail and sent it to
yourself
you
got the message on the original send and not even a forward?"
------------When I created and e-mail and sent it to me everything
was
fine. Anything that is text will go without any problems and is not
a
forward with pictures or graphics in it.


--
gbodd


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Leave AVG running, but do turn of the e-mail scanning. Sometimes
this
doesn't stick with AVG and you have to uninstall it and reinstall
and
choose
Custom Mode and uncheck e-mail scanning there.

I use AVG and have had e-mail scanning turned of since day one.
Should
you
feel apprehensive about this:

This is from Symantec, but applies to all anti-virus programs.

From:
http://snipurl.com/bmf6

Is my computer still protected against viruses if I disable Email
Scanning?

Disabling Email Scanning does not leave you unprotected against
viruses
that
are distributed as email attachments. Norton AntiVirus Auto-Protect
scans
incoming files as they are saved to your hard drive, including
email
and
email attachments. Email Scanning is just another layer on top of
this.
To
make sure that Auto-Protect is providing the maximum protection,
keep
Auto-Protect enabled and run LiveUpdate regularly to ensure that
you
have
the most recent virus definitions.

Now, you did say that when you created an e-mail and sent it to
yourself
you
got the message on the original send and not even a forward? If
nothing
previously suggested helps, then let's try a new Outbox and Sent
Items
folder.

Do the following for the Outbox, and if the problem persists,
repeat
for
Sent Items after you move any messages you wish to save to a local
folder
you create.

Tools | Options | Maintenance | Store Folder will reveal the
location
of
your Outlook Express files. Press the Tab key to highlight the
folder
location, then Ctrl+C. Close OE, then Start | Run | Ctrl+V will put
the
location in the box - Click OK and you'll see the OE files.
Otherwise,
write
the location down and navigate to it in Windows Explorer.

In Windows XP, 2K & 3K, the OE user files (DBX and WAB) are by
default
marked as hidden. To view these files in Windows Explorer, you must
enable
Show Hidden Files and Folders under Start | Control Panel | Folder
Options |
View.

With OE closed, find the DBX file for the folder in question
{Outbox.dbx}
and delete it. A new one will be created automatically when you
open
OE.

General precautions for Outlook Express:

Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually
become
corrupt. Create your own user defined folders for storing mail and
move
your
mail to them. Empty Deleted Items folder regularly. Keep user
created
folders under 100MB, and Default folders as empty as is feasible.

After you are done, follow up by compacting your folders manually
while
working *offline* and do it often.

Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so no
folders
are
open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click Working Online in
the
Status Bar). File | Folder | Compact all folders. Don't touch
anything
until
the compacting is completed.

Turn off e-mail scanning in your anti-virus program. It is a
redundant
layer
of protection that eats up CPUs and causes a multitude of problems
such
as
time-outs and account setting changes. Your up-to-date A/V program
will
continue to protect you sufficiently. For more, see:
http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3

In Tools | Options | Maintenance: Uncheck Compact messages in
background
and
leave it unchecked. {N/A if running XP/SP2}.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS MVP - Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Glen" wrote in message
...
This is a home computer with one other person..
I have AVG and I did the test the other day with my e-mail turned
off
and
it
didn't do one bit of good..................What is so frustrating
is
that
I
have taken pains over the past nine years to learn everything
that I
can
and
to continue studying and learning. This is the first time that I
have
had
something that I could not do myself. The other user of this
computer
doesn't
even try to correct things and relies strictly on me.
Do you suggest that I do go on and disable the email scanner on
the
computer? I am with Charter Cable and they have absolutely
nothing
that
protects you from receiving viruses or spam. Wish that I still
had
Cox
Cable.
--
gbodd


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Two identities with the same problem. That is possible, but less
likely.
You
can try a third to see. Easily deleted if it is of no help.

Are you scanning e-mail? Turn it off. It adds no extra
protection
and
could
be the cause.

This isn't a networked computer at your job per chance?
--
Bruce Hagen
MS MVP - Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Glen" wrote in message
...
I am not the main identity on this computer, but it is also
having
the
same
problem. Would something like that affect both of us?
--
gbodd


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

You may have a damaged identity especially if it is the
default
Main
Identity. File | Identity | Add New Identity. Create a new
one
and
test
it.
If all is well, you can import your messages from the old
identity
and
delete it.

How to Create and Use Identities in Outlook Express
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=209169
--
Bruce Hagen
MS MVP - Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Glen" wrote in message
...
I have sent things to myself and that box pops up every time
and
when
it
gets
to me, there are no pictures, only the little box with a
red
X.
Whenever
I
send out anything that has cartoon, picture, web page that
I've

  #6  
Old August 7th 06, 11:17 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress
Bruce Hagen
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 10,210
Default Outlook Express won't forward

Glad to help, Glen. Since it worked for you, I'm kind of at a loss. The only
things I can think of again is e-mail scanning, a third party program that
messes with e-mail, or your ISP. For all I know, it may be Windows Live
Safety Center. Try disabling that and give it a shot.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS MVP - Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Glen" wrote in message
...
I thank you for your help Bruce. My only question is, why is it that it is
every person who sends me something that might have graphics or pictures
in
it. Can't forward any of them w/out 'Forward as Attachment...'
I do go into the Windows Live Safety Center and have them take care of
everything for me at least once a week. I love it!
Again, thank you for taking the time.
--
gbodd


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Then what you are receiving isn't inserted properly by the sender. For
example, a simple copy/paste may get to the first recipient but that's
it.

So the problem is not on your end. Should you ever have this situation in
the future and want to send the picture on to others, you will have to
save
the picture to your HDD and then insert it in a new message.

There is nothing for you to do unless you can instruct the sender to send
graphics correctly.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS MVP - Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Glen" wrote in message
...
I chose a picture under Documents & Settings on the hard drive. Sent it
to
me. Came in just fine. Forwarded it to myself & other user and it went
through just fine without any problem.
--
gbodd


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Open a new message window and Insert | Picture and select one from a
folder
on your HDD and test it. A graphic Web page is very likely to have
problems.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS MVP - Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Glen" wrote in message
...
I sent myself a clean graphics page from the web, then try to forward
it
on
to myself and the other user. Got the usual 'picture will not show
up.'
--
gbodd


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

The e-mail that you sent yourself *did* have a graphic included,
correct?
But it wouldn't forward to yourself after that?
--
Bruce Hagen
MS MVP - Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Glen" wrote in message
...
Bruce H. wrote:
" Now, you did say that when you created an e-mail and sent it to
yourself
you
got the message on the original send and not even a forward?"
------------When I created and e-mail and sent it to me
everything
was
fine. Anything that is text will go without any problems and is
not
a
forward with pictures or graphics in it.


--
gbodd


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Leave AVG running, but do turn of the e-mail scanning. Sometimes
this
doesn't stick with AVG and you have to uninstall it and
reinstall
and
choose
Custom Mode and uncheck e-mail scanning there.

I use AVG and have had e-mail scanning turned of since day one.
Should
you
feel apprehensive about this:

This is from Symantec, but applies to all anti-virus programs.

From:
http://snipurl.com/bmf6

Is my computer still protected against viruses if I disable
Email
Scanning?

Disabling Email Scanning does not leave you unprotected against
viruses
that
are distributed as email attachments. Norton AntiVirus
Auto-Protect
scans
incoming files as they are saved to your hard drive, including
email
and
email attachments. Email Scanning is just another layer on top
of
this.
To
make sure that Auto-Protect is providing the maximum protection,
keep
Auto-Protect enabled and run LiveUpdate regularly to ensure that
you
have
the most recent virus definitions.

Now, you did say that when you created an e-mail and sent it to
yourself
you
got the message on the original send and not even a forward? If
nothing
previously suggested helps, then let's try a new Outbox and Sent
Items
folder.

Do the following for the Outbox, and if the problem persists,
repeat
for
Sent Items after you move any messages you wish to save to a
local
folder
you create.

Tools | Options | Maintenance | Store Folder will reveal the
location
of
your Outlook Express files. Press the Tab key to highlight the
folder
location, then Ctrl+C. Close OE, then Start | Run | Ctrl+V will
put
the
location in the box - Click OK and you'll see the OE files.
Otherwise,
write
the location down and navigate to it in Windows Explorer.

In Windows XP, 2K & 3K, the OE user files (DBX and WAB) are by
default
marked as hidden. To view these files in Windows Explorer, you
must
enable
Show Hidden Files and Folders under Start | Control Panel |
Folder
Options |
View.

With OE closed, find the DBX file for the folder in question
{Outbox.dbx}
and delete it. A new one will be created automatically when you
open
OE.

General precautions for Outlook Express:

Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually
become
corrupt. Create your own user defined folders for storing mail
and
move
your
mail to them. Empty Deleted Items folder regularly. Keep user
created
folders under 100MB, and Default folders as empty as is
feasible.

After you are done, follow up by compacting your folders
manually
while
working *offline* and do it often.

Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so no
folders
are
open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click Working Online
in
the
Status Bar). File | Folder | Compact all folders. Don't touch
anything
until
the compacting is completed.

Turn off e-mail scanning in your anti-virus program. It is a
redundant
layer
of protection that eats up CPUs and causes a multitude of
problems
such
as
time-outs and account setting changes. Your up-to-date A/V
program
will
continue to protect you sufficiently. For more, see:
http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3

In Tools | Options | Maintenance: Uncheck Compact messages in
background
and
leave it unchecked. {N/A if running XP/SP2}.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS MVP - Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Glen" wrote in message
...
This is a home computer with one other person..
I have AVG and I did the test the other day with my e-mail
turned
off
and
it
didn't do one bit of good..................What is so
frustrating
is
that
I
have taken pains over the past nine years to learn everything
that I
can
and
to continue studying and learning. This is the first time
that I
have
had
something that I could not do myself. The other user of this
computer
doesn't
even try to correct things and relies strictly on me.
Do you suggest that I do go on and disable the email scanner
on
the
computer? I am with Charter Cable and they have absolutely
nothing
that
protects you from receiving viruses or spam. Wish that I
still
had
Cox
Cable.
--
gbodd


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Two identities with the same problem. That is possible, but
less
likely.
You
can try a third to see. Easily deleted if it is of no help.

Are you scanning e-mail? Turn it off. It adds no extra
protection
and
could
be the cause.

This isn't a networked computer at your job per chance?
--
Bruce Hagen
MS MVP - Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Glen" wrote in message
...
I am not the main identity on this computer, but it is also
having
the
same
problem. Would something like that affect both of us?
--
gbodd


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

You may have a damaged identity especially if it is the
default
Main
Identity. File | Identity | Add New Identity. Create a new
one
and
test
it.
If all is well, you can import your messages from the old
identity
and
delete it.

How to Create and Use Identities in Outlook Express
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=209169
--
Bruce Hagen
MS MVP - Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Glen" wrote in message
...
I have sent things to myself and that box pops up every
time
and
when
it
gets
to me, there are no pictures, only the little box with a
red
X.
Whenever
I
send out anything that has cartoon, picture, web page
that
I've


  #7  
Old August 8th 06, 12:08 AM posted to microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress
glen
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 41
Default Outlook Express won't forward

Bruce, one last question.... Would the Windows Defender have anything to do
with it? I've heard complaints about it but am not sure that it would affect
OE.
That was the last question and I truly thank you one last time.
Have a great and safe week.
--
gbodd


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Glad to help, Glen. Since it worked for you, I'm kind of at a loss. The only
things I can think of again is e-mail scanning, a third party program that
messes with e-mail, or your ISP. For all I know, it may be Windows Live
Safety Center. Try disabling that and give it a shot.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS MVP - Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Glen" wrote in message
...
I thank you for your help Bruce. My only question is, why is it that it is
every person who sends me something that might have graphics or pictures
in
it. Can't forward any of them w/out 'Forward as Attachment...'
I do go into the Windows Live Safety Center and have them take care of
everything for me at least once a week. I love it!
Again, thank you for taking the time.
--
gbodd


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Then what you are receiving isn't inserted properly by the sender. For
example, a simple copy/paste may get to the first recipient but that's
it.

So the problem is not on your end. Should you ever have this situation in
the future and want to send the picture on to others, you will have to
save
the picture to your HDD and then insert it in a new message.

There is nothing for you to do unless you can instruct the sender to send
graphics correctly.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS MVP - Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Glen" wrote in message
...
I chose a picture under Documents & Settings on the hard drive. Sent it
to
me. Came in just fine. Forwarded it to myself & other user and it went
through just fine without any problem.
--
gbodd


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Open a new message window and Insert | Picture and select one from a
folder
on your HDD and test it. A graphic Web page is very likely to have
problems.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS MVP - Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Glen" wrote in message
...
I sent myself a clean graphics page from the web, then try to forward
it
on
to myself and the other user. Got the usual 'picture will not show
up.'
--
gbodd


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

The e-mail that you sent yourself *did* have a graphic included,
correct?
But it wouldn't forward to yourself after that?
--
Bruce Hagen
MS MVP - Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Glen" wrote in message
...
Bruce H. wrote:
" Now, you did say that when you created an e-mail and sent it to
yourself
you
got the message on the original send and not even a forward?"
------------When I created and e-mail and sent it to me
everything
was
fine. Anything that is text will go without any problems and is
not
a
forward with pictures or graphics in it.


--
gbodd


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Leave AVG running, but do turn of the e-mail scanning. Sometimes
this
doesn't stick with AVG and you have to uninstall it and
reinstall
and
choose
Custom Mode and uncheck e-mail scanning there.

I use AVG and have had e-mail scanning turned of since day one.
Should
you
feel apprehensive about this:

This is from Symantec, but applies to all anti-virus programs.

From:
http://snipurl.com/bmf6

Is my computer still protected against viruses if I disable
Email
Scanning?

Disabling Email Scanning does not leave you unprotected against
viruses
that
are distributed as email attachments. Norton AntiVirus
Auto-Protect
scans
incoming files as they are saved to your hard drive, including
email
and
email attachments. Email Scanning is just another layer on top
of
this.
To
make sure that Auto-Protect is providing the maximum protection,
keep
Auto-Protect enabled and run LiveUpdate regularly to ensure that
you
have
the most recent virus definitions.

Now, you did say that when you created an e-mail and sent it to
yourself
you
got the message on the original send and not even a forward? If
nothing
previously suggested helps, then let's try a new Outbox and Sent
Items
folder.

Do the following for the Outbox, and if the problem persists,
repeat
for
Sent Items after you move any messages you wish to save to a
local
folder
you create.

Tools | Options | Maintenance | Store Folder will reveal the
location
of
your Outlook Express files. Press the Tab key to highlight the
folder
location, then Ctrl+C. Close OE, then Start | Run | Ctrl+V will
put
the
location in the box - Click OK and you'll see the OE files.
Otherwise,
write
the location down and navigate to it in Windows Explorer.

In Windows XP, 2K & 3K, the OE user files (DBX and WAB) are by
default
marked as hidden. To view these files in Windows Explorer, you
must
enable
Show Hidden Files and Folders under Start | Control Panel |
Folder
Options |
View.

With OE closed, find the DBX file for the folder in question
{Outbox.dbx}
and delete it. A new one will be created automatically when you
open
OE.

General precautions for Outlook Express:

Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually
become
corrupt. Create your own user defined folders for storing mail
and
move
your
mail to them. Empty Deleted Items folder regularly. Keep user
created
folders under 100MB, and Default folders as empty as is
feasible.

After you are done, follow up by compacting your folders
manually
while
working *offline* and do it often.

Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so no
folders
are
open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click Working Online
in
the
Status Bar). File | Folder | Compact all folders. Don't touch
anything
until
the compacting is completed.

Turn off e-mail scanning in your anti-virus program. It is a
redundant
layer
of protection that eats up CPUs and causes a multitude of
problems
such
as
time-outs and account setting changes. Your up-to-date A/V
program
will
continue to protect you sufficiently. For more, see:
http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3

In Tools | Options | Maintenance: Uncheck Compact messages in
background
and
leave it unchecked. {N/A if running XP/SP2}.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS MVP - Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Glen" wrote in message
...
This is a home computer with one other person..
I have AVG and I did the test the other day with my e-mail
turned
off
and
it
didn't do one bit of good..................What is so
frustrating
is
that
I
have taken pains over the past nine years to learn everything
that I
can
and
to continue studying and learning. This is the first time
that I
have
had
something that I could not do myself. The other user of this
computer
doesn't
even try to correct things and relies strictly on me.
Do you suggest that I do go on and disable the email scanner
on
the
computer? I am with Charter Cable and they have absolutely
nothing
that
protects you from receiving viruses or spam. Wish that I
still
had
Cox
Cable.
--
gbodd


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Two identities with the same problem. That is possible, but
less
likely.
You
can try a third to see. Easily deleted if it is of no help.

Are you scanning e-mail? Turn it off. It adds no extra
protection
and
could
be the cause.

This isn't a networked computer at your job per chance?
--
Bruce Hagen

 




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