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For the last few weeks, everytime I would close Outlook Express, I would get
a pop up asking me whether I wanted to compact my Folders. Space was never an issue so I would allways click no. Yesterday I accidently clicked yes and all the folders got compacted. I don't want my folders compacted. How can I undo this. |
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Stan wrote:
For the last few weeks, everytime I would close Outlook Express, I would get a pop up asking me whether I wanted to compact my Folders. Space was never an issue so I would allways click no. Yesterday I accidently clicked yes and all the folders got compacted. I don't want my folders compacted. How can I undo this. If you don't compact your messages regularly, you will be back here wanting to know how to recuperate all your messages because they will all disappear. Space is not the issue. Also, if you store your messages in any of the default folders such as Sent Items or Inbox, you will be back here wanting to know how to recuperate all your messages because they will all disappear. I suggest you take a long look at these web sites and learn how to maintain your Outlook Express properly: http://www.insideoutlookexpress.com/ http://www.oehelp.com/ Alias |
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My appologies for posting this twice. I tried earlier but had problems and
didn't realize that this went thru. "Stan" wrote: For the last few weeks, everytime I would close Outlook Express, I would get a pop up asking me whether I wanted to compact my Folders. Space was never an issue so I would allways click no. Yesterday I accidently clicked yes and all the folders got compacted. I don't want my folders compacted. How can I undo this. |
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« If you don't compact your messages regularly, you will be
back here wanting to know how to recuperate all your messages because they will all disappear » As appropriately recalled in several documents (or messages in this newsgroup), messages and folders most often never get corrupt or lost if you never compact any folder (in addition to a few basic precautions, as: making frequent, full, and independent backups; keeping your OE folders under 100MB each; and never allowing NAV or other "self-inflicted-virus" to scan your incoming or outgoing email). Microsoft itself implicitly recognized this in "When the Cure Kills: Compacting and Corruption" http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/...ion.mspx#EZAAC since they admit that "background compaction" (i.e. "compact files automatically after Outlook Express had been inactive for some minutes") was causing corruption... Unfortunately MS, stopping its thinking before its end, just replaced the initial flaw with worse: compacting is now *forced onto user* (by allotting him too few seconds to refuse) and *as soon as OE is closed* - which in facts builds still higher probability that the compaction will start while the PC hibernates or shuts down, ensuring that corruption will arise. The "fix" currently offerred in http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2 and http://tinyurl.com/mx3r2 doesn't fix the problem at all since it just strengthens the initial choice of 1. starting the compaction when the PC most probably will shut down or hibernate, 2. *forcing* this against the user's will. Paris, Fri 1 Sep 2006 19:10:40 +0200 ----- Parent Message (links are clickable) ----- From: "--Alias--" Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...tlooke xpress Message: news://msnews.microsoft.com/OBocfEVw...TNGP03.phx.gbl Sent: Wed 16 Aug 2006 18:29:14 +0200 (16:29:14 GMT) Subject: Undoing compact folders If you don't compact your messages regularly, you will be back here wanting to know how to recuperate all your messages because they will all disappear. Space is not the issue. Also, if you store your messages in any of the default folders such as Sent Items or Inbox, you will be back here wanting to know how to recuperate all your messages because they will all disappear. I suggest you take a long look at these web sites and learn how to maintain your Outlook Express properly: http://www.insideoutlookexpress.com/ http://www.oehelp.com/ Alias ----- Parent Message (links are clickable) ----- From: "Stan" Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...tlooke xpress Message: Sent: Wed 16 Aug 2006 09:21:25 -0700 (16:21:25 GMT) Subject: Undoing compact folders For the last few weeks, everytime I would close Outlook Express, I would get a pop up asking me whether I wanted to compact my Folders. Space was never an issue so I would allways click no. Yesterday I accidently clicked yes and all the folders got compacted. I don't want my folders compacted. How can I undo this. |
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lol, I'll see ya on whichever group you go to when your lose your mail! I
don't mean to be facetious, but don't believe all you read at MS and instead research yourself a concensus from any other reasonably good source you care to choose, and you'll have a glimmer of what's waiting for you. Personally I have never, in all my years of windows starting at 3.0 and on, lost an e-mail due to corruption of any kind, let along compacting. You also seem to think compacting can happen at any old time; it can't - it happens at specific times, and a compacting operation will not start after you've given the Hibernate command for instance, as you seem to think. The best thing for you to do would be to adhere to a strict, applicable backup/archiving routine so that whether it happens or not and whether you compact or not, you can recover. Happy emailing, Pop` Michel Merlin wrote: « If you don't compact your messages regularly, you will be back here wanting to know how to recuperate all your messages because they will all disappear » As appropriately recalled in several documents (or messages in this newsgroup), messages and folders most often never get corrupt or lost if you never compact any folder (in addition to a few basic precautions, as: making frequent, full, and independent backups; keeping your OE folders under 100MB each; and never allowing NAV or other "self-inflicted-virus" to scan your incoming or outgoing email). Microsoft itself implicitly recognized this in "When the Cure Kills: Compacting and Corruption" http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/...ion.mspx#EZAAC since they admit that "background compaction" (i.e. "compact files automatically after Outlook Express had been inactive for some minutes") was causing corruption... Unfortunately MS, stopping its thinking before its end, just replaced the initial flaw with worse: compacting is now *forced onto user* (by allotting him too few seconds to refuse) and *as soon as OE is closed* - which in facts builds still higher probability that the compaction will start while the PC hibernates or shuts down, ensuring that corruption will arise. The "fix" currently offerred in http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2 and http://tinyurl.com/mx3r2 doesn't fix the problem at all since it just strengthens the initial choice of 1. starting the compaction when the PC most probably will shut down or hibernate, 2. *forcing* this against the user's will. Paris, Fri 1 Sep 2006 19:10:40 +0200 ----- Parent Message (links are clickable) ----- From: "--Alias--" Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...tlooke xpress Message: news://msnews.microsoft.com/OBocfEVw...TNGP03.phx.gbl Sent: Wed 16 Aug 2006 18:29:14 +0200 (16:29:14 GMT) Subject: Undoing compact folders If you don't compact your messages regularly, you will be back here wanting to know how to recuperate all your messages because they will all disappear. Space is not the issue. Also, if you store your messages in any of the default folders such as Sent Items or Inbox, you will be back here wanting to know how to recuperate all your messages because they will all disappear. I suggest you take a long look at these web sites and learn how to maintain your Outlook Express properly: http://www.insideoutlookexpress.com/ http://www.oehelp.com/ Alias ----- Parent Message (links are clickable) ----- From: "Stan" Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...tlooke xpress Message: Sent: Wed 16 Aug 2006 09:21:25 -0700 (16:21:25 GMT) Subject: Undoing compact folders For the last few weeks, everytime I would close Outlook Express, I would get a pop up asking me whether I wanted to compact my Folders. Space was never an issue so I would allways click no. Yesterday I accidently clicked yes and all the folders got compacted. I don't want my folders compacted. How can I undo this. |
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« don't believe all you read at MS and instead research
yourself a concensus from any other reasonably good source » I suggest *you* "research yourself"; just searching the OE general NG news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...xpress.general for "Compact" is enough, provided you carefully read, following the links when present. You will see a lot of posts from MS afficionados (whether staff or MVPs or other "volunteers") infinitely repeating (as you are doing) stances that are never reality-checked, even sometimes with less helpfulness and efficiency than scorn and laughing at others' misfortunes. Please read with due care those posts from your friends, but please read with the same care those who disagree, whether from myself or others. « a compacting operation will not start after you've given the Hibernate command for instance, as you seem to think » I suggest you read my posts before guessing (in the wrong direction here) what they may contain. You will learn (since you seem to ignore it) that Windows tries to launch Compacting when OE closes, hence is calling for massive data loss, since OE most often closes when the user is shutting down - or goes away, which often triggers hibernation (and I think Windows won't refuse that hibernation). If Microsoft had the tiniest regard for users and their assets, such a stupidity would never had been released. And seeing afficionados infinitely and blindly defending this indefensible blunder is still more unbelievable. More, seeing some of them laughing in addition at the myriads misfortunes they are causing, is beyong anything. I think you will not believe there are plenty data losses caused by the fundamental error in MS' sight of message compaction, and more generally of data reliability. But please do the "Compact" search I asked, you will see how many people, just here, are reporting exactly this kind of massive data loss, caused by the very program in charge of their main assets. People not familiar with Microsoft's views and behavior, can't simply believe their own eyes when seeing their data stolen that way, and themselves plunged in misfortune by the very people they had paid for keeping them safe. Sure Microsoft can continue making money that way - for a while. But then, don't cry when backfire finally hits! PS. I am not sure you will seriously do the recommended "Compact" search with the due follow-on through links. So I have included below a selection of these reports - *EACH* one of these "DATA LOSS REPORTS" is about a *DATA LOSS*, and is the start of a thread; please follow each thread, you will see the infinitely repeated (implicit) defense of the indefensible, with sometimes insensibility or disdain for the scared user, and not a single attempt at demanding Microsoft to immediately stop this disaster. Another selection could be made of the threads, still more numerous, where people complain, shy because not believing their eyes, against the unbelievable blunder of forcing compaction on closing OE. One of those threads was started by me with an HTML message, I added it below ("Stop forcing compaction"); that long, useless, unhelpful thread is just an example (and a mild one) of the disregard from too many Microsoft staff and volunteers towards *customers* - the very people from whom they are getting their money (or satisfaction or other benefits). Paris, Sat 2 Sep 2006 10:00:55 +0200 ----- Parent Message (links are clickable) ----- From: "Pop`" Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...tlooke xpress Message: Sent: Fri 1 Sep 2006 19:12:33 -0400 (23:12:33 GMT) Subject: Compacting is in facts the main cause of corruption lol, I'll see ya on whichever group you go to when your lose your mail! I don't mean to be facetious, but don't believe all you read at MS and instead research yourself a concensus from any other reasonably good source you care to choose, and you'll have a glimmer of what's waiting for you. Personally I have never, in all my years of windows starting at 3.0 and on, lost an e-mail due to corruption of any kind, let along compacting. You also seem to think compacting can happen at any old time; it can't - it happens at specific times, and a compacting operation will not start after you've given the Hibernate command for instance, as you seem to think. The best thing for you to do would be to adhere to a strict, applicable backup/archiving routine so that whether it happens or not and whether you compact or not, you can recover. Happy emailing, Pop` ----- Parent Message (links are clickable) ----- From: "Michel Merlin" Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...tlooke xpress Message: news://msnews.microsoft.com/uSi2Qmez...TNGP06.phx.gbl Sent: Fri 1 Sep 2006 19:10:40 +0200 (17:10:40 GMT) Subject: Compacting is in facts the main cause of corruption « If you don't compact your messages regularly, you will be back here wanting to know how to recuperate all your messages because they will all disappear » As appropriately recalled in several documents (or messages in this newsgroup), messages and folders most often never get corrupt or lost if you never compact any folder (in addition to a few basic precautions, as: making frequent, full, and independent backups; keeping your OE folders under 100MB each; and never allowing NAV or other "self-inflicted-virus" to scan your incoming or outgoing email). Microsoft itself implicitly recognized this in "When the Cure Kills: Compacting and Corruption" http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/...ion.mspx#EZAAC since they admit that "background compaction" (i.e. "compact files automatically after Outlook Express had been inactive for some minutes") was causing corruption... Unfortunately MS, stopping its thinking before its end, just replaced the initial flaw with worse: compacting is now *forced onto user* (by allotting him too few seconds to refuse) and *as soon as OE is closed* - which in facts builds still higher probability that the compaction will start while the PC hibernates or shuts down, ensuring that corruption will arise. The "fix" currently offerred in http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2 and http://tinyurl.com/mx3r2 doesn't fix the problem at all since it just strengthens the initial choice of 1. starting the compaction when the PC most probably will shut down or hibernate, 2. *forcing* this against the user's will. Paris, Fri 1 Sep 2006 19:10:40 +0200 ----- Parent Message (links are clickable) ----- From: "--Alias--" Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...tlooke xpress Message: news://msnews.microsoft.com/OBocfEVw...TNGP03.phx.gbl Sent: Wed 16 Aug 2006 18:29:14 +0200 (16:29:14 GMT) Subject: Undoing compact folders If you don't compact your messages regularly, you will be back here wanting to know how to recuperate all your messages because they will all disappear. Space is not the issue. Also, if you store your messages in any of the default folders such as Sent Items or Inbox, you will be back here wanting to know how to recuperate all your messages because they will all disappear. I suggest you take a long look at these web sites and learn how to maintain your Outlook Express properly: http://www.insideoutlookexpress.com/ http://www.oehelp.com/ Alias ----- Parent Message (links are clickable) ----- From: "Stan" Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...tlooke xpress Message: Sent: Wed 16 Aug 2006 09:21:25 -0700 (16:21:25 GMT) Subject: Undoing compact folders For the last few weeks, everytime I would close Outlook Express, I would get a pop up asking me whether I wanted to compact my Folders. Space was never an issue so I would allways click no. Yesterday I accidently clicked yes and all the folders got compacted. I don't want my folders compacted. How can I undo this. ----- DATA LOSS REPORT No 1 (links are clickable) ----- From: "Lai Yee" Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...xpress.general Message: Sent: Wed 12 Jul 2006 19:46:01 -0700 (Thu 13 Jul 02:46:01 GMT) Subject: Mails deleted after compacting folders When I received a pop up message asking me to compact/compress my folders, I clicked yes. After that, I noticed that outlook express deleted most of my mails. Why is this so? -- Lai Yee ----- DATA LOSS REPORT No 2 (links are clickable) ----- From: "CYY" Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...tlooke xpress Message: Sent: Tue 25 Jul 2006 07:04:02 -0700 (14:04:02 GMT) Subject: How to retrieve compacted messages-URGENT HELP In my office, I sort my all inbox msg and save them by the sender groups, for example APPLE, IBM and Microsoft. So the folders will have both old and new msgs which I need to refer for my daily work. However over the last few months, my OE had compacted the msgs twice. Within minutes, all the msgs in these folders were compacted and I can't find them anywhere. As I am a layman in IT Knowledge and do not know much about applications, I sincerely seek for someone's help on the following matters:- - Where to find the compacted msg ? - How to stop OE from compacting ? - Can the compacted msg be retrieved and save somewhere in Outlook Express ? Thank you in advance for your attention and assistance ----- DATA LOSS REPORT No 3 (links are clickable) ----- From: "sstephy" Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...xpress.general Message: Sent: Mon 31 Jul 2006 21:10:02 -0700 (Tue 1 Aug 04:10:02 GMT) Subject: O.E. Compacted messages are missing A window popped up asking if I wanted to compact my mail folders, I clicked yes, opened program today and all messages are gone from my mail folders. The folders are still there, but can someone tell me where my mail is and how to get it back into my Outlook Express folders again? I'm running Ver. 6.0 and WinXP SP2 Thanks, sstephy ----- DATA LOSS REPORT No 4 (links are clickable) ----- From: "Rick" Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...xpress.general Message: Sent: Wed 09 Aug 2006 13:22:04 GMT Subject: Compacting - Losing emails??? When OE compacts, it deletes all the messages in my folders, keeping only the last 90 days. I have lost over 5 years of emails!!!??? Can anyone help me recover those messaages? Can anyone tell me what is going on??? Thanks in advance - Rick ----- DATA LOSS REPORT No 5 (links are clickable) ----- From: "donna" Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...tlooke xpress Message: Sent: Wed 16 Aug 2006 15:50:02 -0700 (22:50:02 GMT) Subject: missing message after compacting files/how to restore dbx file All my messages from my Sent and Drafts folders were deleted - I believe I may have interrupted the compacting process although don't remember doing it. Doing a search, I have found the folders in Documents & Settings and they are a pretty good size so I think the message are there. 1. Can I get some specific instructions on how to restore all the contents of these two folders back into the folders of the same name in OE6. 2. Also if I have 1-2 brand new messages in these folders in OE6 now, do I need to remove them first? 3. Lastly, will the recent patch for XPSP2 regarding this eliminate this problem in the future? ----- DATA LOSS REPORT No 6 (links are clickable) ----- From: "chathp" Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...tlooke xpress Message: Sent: Sat 26 Aug 2006 23:06:01 -0700 (Sun 27 Aug 06:06:01 GMT) Subject: Compacting Folders I am the Administrator/Secretary of this company and I'm handling all the important company emails through Outlook Express. I do not know the latest version of OE automatically compacts folders on the 100th closing and opening of the program. I cancelled the process thinking it was accidental and would make the messages go to some unknown location, or worse...deleted. It is then that all the email messages for the year 2006 were gone. (I still have the email messages from 2000-2005 How can I recover my messages from this horrible tragic incident? ----- DATA LOSS REPORT No 7 (links are clickable) ----- From: "moorgain" Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...tlooke xpress Message: Sent: Mon 28 Aug 2006 15:44:01 -0700 (22:44:01 GMT) Subject: Compacted OE files Good morning Bruce Hoping you can help a illiterate novice computer user. Obviously there has been an upgrade because I have been getting a 'compact your files' message popping up every time I touch my OE. Unfortunately in a hurry the other day I clicked yes instead of cancel and all the files I had been keeping the inmportant stuff in have disappeared. Can you tell me in words of 1 syllable where they have gone and how or if I can get them back Thank you Christine ----- DATA LOSS REPORT No 8 (links are clickable) ----- From: Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...xpress.general Message: news://msnews.microsoft.com/11570669...legroups.co m Sent: Thu 31 Aug 2006 16:29:59 -0700 (23:29:59 GMT) Subject: Compacting Failed - Lost Messages Outlook Express started compacting messages then locked up and quit responding. Now about half my message folders are empty. I suspect the lost data is still around somewhere. Any suggestions on how I might locate it? Thx Jonathan26 ----- Stop forcing compaction (links are clickable) ----- From: Michel Merlin Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...xpress.general Message: news://msnews.microsoft.com/%23hUV7w...TNGP02.phx.gbl Sent: Thu 27 Jul 2006 18:46:36 +0200 (16:46:36 GMT) Subject: OE tries to force me compact messages When I close Outlook Express, it asks me: ................. |
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lol, you misread a LOT, and responded to something not even proposed. If I
offended, you, sorry, but ... it's not rocket science, after all. Have fun Pop` Michel Merlin wrote: « don't believe all you read at MS and instead research yourself a concensus from any other reasonably good source » I suggest *you* "research yourself"; just searching the OE general NG news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...xpress.general for "Compact" is enough, provided you carefully read, following the links when present. You will see a lot of posts from MS afficionados (whether staff or MVPs or other "volunteers") infinitely repeating (as you are doing) stances that are never reality-checked, even sometimes with less helpfulness and efficiency than scorn and laughing at others' misfortunes. Please read with due care those posts from your friends, but please read with the same care those who disagree, whether from myself or others. « a compacting operation will not start after you've given the Hibernate command for instance, as you seem to think » I suggest you read my posts before guessing (in the wrong direction here) what they may contain. You will learn (since you seem to ignore it) that Windows tries to launch Compacting when OE closes, hence is calling for massive data loss, since OE most often closes when the user is shutting down - or goes away, which often triggers hibernation (and I think Windows won't refuse that hibernation). If Microsoft had the tiniest regard for users and their assets, such a stupidity would never had been released. And seeing afficionados infinitely and blindly defending this indefensible blunder is still more unbelievable. More, seeing some of them laughing in addition at the myriads misfortunes they are causing, is beyong anything. I think you will not believe there are plenty data losses caused by the fundamental error in MS' sight of message compaction, and more generally of data reliability. But please do the "Compact" search I asked, you will see how many people, just here, are reporting exactly this kind of massive data loss, caused by the very program in charge of their main assets. People not familiar with Microsoft's views and behavior, can't simply believe their own eyes when seeing their data stolen that way, and themselves plunged in misfortune by the very people they had paid for keeping them safe. Sure Microsoft can continue making money that way - for a while. But then, don't cry when backfire finally hits! PS. I am not sure you will seriously do the recommended "Compact" search with the due follow-on through links. So I have included below a selection of these reports - *EACH* one of these "DATA LOSS REPORTS" is about a *DATA LOSS*, and is the start of a thread; please follow each thread, you will see the infinitely repeated (implicit) defense of the indefensible, with sometimes insensibility or disdain for the scared user, and not a single attempt at demanding Microsoft to immediately stop this disaster. Another selection could be made of the threads, still more numerous, where people complain, shy because not believing their eyes, against the unbelievable blunder of forcing compaction on closing OE. One of those threads was started by me with an HTML message, I added it below ("Stop forcing compaction"); that long, useless, unhelpful thread is just an example (and a mild one) of the disregard from too many Microsoft staff and volunteers towards *customers* - the very people from whom they are getting their money (or satisfaction or other benefits). Paris, Sat 2 Sep 2006 10:00:55 +0200 ----- Parent Message (links are clickable) ----- From: "Pop`" Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...tlooke xpress Message: Sent: Fri 1 Sep 2006 19:12:33 -0400 (23:12:33 GMT) Subject: Compacting is in facts the main cause of corruption lol, I'll see ya on whichever group you go to when your lose your mail! I don't mean to be facetious, but don't believe all you read at MS and instead research yourself a concensus from any other reasonably good source you care to choose, and you'll have a glimmer of what's waiting for you. Personally I have never, in all my years of windows starting at 3.0 and on, lost an e-mail due to corruption of any kind, let along compacting. You also seem to think compacting can happen at any old time; it can't - it happens at specific times, and a compacting operation will not start after you've given the Hibernate command for instance, as you seem to think. The best thing for you to do would be to adhere to a strict, applicable backup/archiving routine so that whether it happens or not and whether you compact or not, you can recover. Happy emailing, Pop` ----- Parent Message (links are clickable) ----- From: "Michel Merlin" Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...tlooke xpress Message: news://msnews.microsoft.com/uSi2Qmez...TNGP06.phx.gbl Sent: Fri 1 Sep 2006 19:10:40 +0200 (17:10:40 GMT) Subject: Compacting is in facts the main cause of corruption « If you don't compact your messages regularly, you will be back here wanting to know how to recuperate all your messages because they will all disappear » As appropriately recalled in several documents (or messages in this newsgroup), messages and folders most often never get corrupt or lost if you never compact any folder (in addition to a few basic precautions, as: making frequent, full, and independent backups; keeping your OE folders under 100MB each; and never allowing NAV or other "self-inflicted-virus" to scan your incoming or outgoing email). Microsoft itself implicitly recognized this in "When the Cure Kills: Compacting and Corruption" http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/...ion.mspx#EZAAC since they admit that "background compaction" (i.e. "compact files automatically after Outlook Express had been inactive for some minutes") was causing corruption... Unfortunately MS, stopping its thinking before its end, just replaced the initial flaw with worse: compacting is now *forced onto user* (by allotting him too few seconds to refuse) and *as soon as OE is closed* - which in facts builds still higher probability that the compaction will start while the PC hibernates or shuts down, ensuring that corruption will arise. The "fix" currently offerred in http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2 and http://tinyurl.com/mx3r2 doesn't fix the problem at all since it just strengthens the initial choice of 1. starting the compaction when the PC most probably will shut down or hibernate, 2. *forcing* this against the user's will. Paris, Fri 1 Sep 2006 19:10:40 +0200 ----- Parent Message (links are clickable) ----- From: "--Alias--" Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...tlooke xpress Message: news://msnews.microsoft.com/OBocfEVw...TNGP03.phx.gbl Sent: Wed 16 Aug 2006 18:29:14 +0200 (16:29:14 GMT) Subject: Undoing compact folders If you don't compact your messages regularly, you will be back here wanting to know how to recuperate all your messages because they will all disappear. Space is not the issue. Also, if you store your messages in any of the default folders such as Sent Items or Inbox, you will be back here wanting to know how to recuperate all your messages because they will all disappear. I suggest you take a long look at these web sites and learn how to maintain your Outlook Express properly: http://www.insideoutlookexpress.com/ http://www.oehelp.com/ Alias ----- Parent Message (links are clickable) ----- From: "Stan" Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...tlooke xpress Message: Sent: Wed 16 Aug 2006 09:21:25 -0700 (16:21:25 GMT) Subject: Undoing compact folders For the last few weeks, everytime I would close Outlook Express, I would get a pop up asking me whether I wanted to compact my Folders. Space was never an issue so I would allways click no. Yesterday I accidently clicked yes and all the folders got compacted. I don't want my folders compacted. How can I undo this. ----- DATA LOSS REPORT No 1 (links are clickable) ----- From: "Lai Yee" Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...xpress.general Message: Sent: Wed 12 Jul 2006 19:46:01 -0700 (Thu 13 Jul 02:46:01 GMT) Subject: Mails deleted after compacting folders When I received a pop up message asking me to compact/compress my folders, I clicked yes. After that, I noticed that outlook express deleted most of my mails. Why is this so? |
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« lol, you misread a LOT »
Could you please be as polite and correct as, either back this with precise quote and explanation, or retract? You certainly would expect at least this minimum correction if *YOU* were publicly assaulted as you are repetitively doing here against me. Paris, Sun 3 Sep 2006 02:34:10 +0200 ----- Parent Message (links are clickable) ----- From: "Pop`" Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...tlooke xpress Message: Sent: Sat 2 Sep 2006 20:17:50 -0400 (Sun 3 Sep 00:17:50 GMT) Subject: Reality check on data losses due to compaction in OE lol, you misread a LOT, and responded to something not even proposed. If I offended, you, sorry, but ... it's not rocket science, after all. Have fun Pop` ----- Parent Message (links are clickable) ----- From: "Michel Merlin" Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...tlooke xpress Message: news://msnews.microsoft.com/u8hgsXmz...TNGP04.phx.gbl Sent: Sat 2 Sep 2006 10:00:55 +0200 (08:00:55 GMT) Subject: Reality check on data losses due to compaction in OE « don't believe all you read at MS and instead research yourself a concensus from any other reasonably good source » I suggest *you* "research yourself"; just searching the OE general NG news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...xpress.general for "Compact" is enough, provided you carefully read, following the links when present. You will see a lot of posts from MS afficionados (whether staff or MVPs or other "volunteers") infinitely repeating (as you are doing) stances that are never reality-checked, even sometimes with less helpfulness and efficiency than scorn and laughing at others' misfortunes. Please read with due care those posts from your friends, but please read with the same care those who disagree, whether from myself or others. « a compacting operation will not start after you've given the Hibernate command for instance, as you seem to think » I suggest you read my posts before guessing (in the wrong direction here) what they may contain. You will learn (since you seem to ignore it) that Windows tries to launch Compacting when OE closes, hence is calling for massive data loss, since OE most often closes when the user is shutting down - or goes away, which often triggers hibernation (and I think Windows won't refuse that hibernation). If Microsoft had the tiniest regard for users and their assets, such a stupidity would never had been released. And seeing afficionados infinitely and blindly defending this indefensible blunder is still more unbelievable. More, seeing some of them laughing in addition at the myriads misfortunes they are causing, is beyong anything. I think you will not believe there are plenty data losses caused by the fundamental error in MS' sight of message compaction, and more generally of data reliability. But please do the "Compact" search I asked, you will see how many people, just here, are reporting exactly this kind of massive data loss, caused by the very program in charge of their main assets. People not familiar with Microsoft's views and behavior, can't simply believe their own eyes when seeing their data stolen that way, and themselves plunged in misfortune by the very people they had paid for keeping them safe. Sure Microsoft can continue making money that way - for a while. But then, don't cry when backfire finally hits! PS. I am not sure you will seriously do the recommended "Compact" search with the due follow-on through links. So I have included below a selection of these reports - *EACH* one of these "DATA LOSS REPORTS" is about a *DATA LOSS*, and is the start of a thread; please follow each thread, you will see the infinitely repeated (implicit) defense of the indefensible, with sometimes insensibility or disdain for the scared user, and not a single attempt at demanding Microsoft to immediately stop this disaster. Another selection could be made of the threads, still more numerous, where people complain, shy because not believing their eyes, against the unbelievable blunder of forcing compaction on closing OE. One of those threads was started by me with an HTML message, I added it below ("Stop forcing compaction"); that long, useless, unhelpful thread is just an example (and a mild one) of the disregard from too many Microsoft staff and volunteers towards *customers* - the very people from whom they are getting their money (or satisfaction or other benefits). Paris, Sat 2 Sep 2006 10:00:55 +0200 ----- Parent Message (links are clickable) ----- From: "Pop`" Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...tlooke xpress Message: Sent: Fri 1 Sep 2006 19:12:33 -0400 (23:12:33 GMT) Subject: Compacting is in facts the main cause of corruption lol, I'll see ya on whichever group you go to when your lose your mail! I don't mean to be facetious, but don't believe all you read at MS and instead research yourself a concensus from any other reasonably good source you care to choose, and you'll have a glimmer of what's waiting for you. Personally I have never, in all my years of windows starting at 3.0 and on, lost an e-mail due to corruption of any kind, let along compacting. You also seem to think compacting can happen at any old time; it can't - it happens at specific times, and a compacting operation will not start after you've given the Hibernate command for instance, as you seem to think. The best thing for you to do would be to adhere to a strict, applicable backup/archiving routine so that whether it happens or not and whether you compact or not, you can recover. Happy emailing, Pop` ----- Parent Message (links are clickable) ----- From: "Michel Merlin" Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...tlooke xpress Message: news://msnews.microsoft.com/uSi2Qmez...TNGP06.phx.gbl Sent: Fri 1 Sep 2006 19:10:40 +0200 (17:10:40 GMT) Subject: Compacting is in facts the main cause of corruption « If you don't compact your messages regularly, you will be back here wanting to know how to recuperate all your messages because they will all disappear » As appropriately recalled in several documents (or messages in this newsgroup), messages and folders most often never get corrupt or lost if you never compact any folder (in addition to a few basic precautions, as: making frequent, full, and independent backups; keeping your OE folders under 100MB each; and never allowing NAV or other "self-inflicted-virus" to scan your incoming or outgoing email). Microsoft itself implicitly recognized this in "When the Cure Kills: Compacting and Corruption" http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/...ion.mspx#EZAAC since they admit that "background compaction" (i.e. "compact files automatically after Outlook Express had been inactive for some minutes") was causing corruption... Unfortunately MS, stopping its thinking before its end, just replaced the initial flaw with worse: compacting is now *forced onto user* (by allotting him too few seconds to refuse) and *as soon as OE is closed* - which in facts builds still higher probability that the compaction will start while the PC hibernates or shuts down, ensuring that corruption will arise. The "fix" currently offerred in http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2 and http://tinyurl.com/mx3r2 doesn't fix the problem at all since it just strengthens the initial choice of 1. starting the compaction when the PC most probably will shut down or hibernate, 2. *forcing* this against the user's will. Paris, Fri 1 Sep 2006 19:10:40 +0200 ----- Parent Message (links are clickable) ----- From: "--Alias--" Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...tlooke xpress Message: news://msnews.microsoft.com/OBocfEVw...TNGP03.phx.gbl Sent: Wed 16 Aug 2006 18:29:14 +0200 (16:29:14 GMT) Subject: Undoing compact folders If you don't compact your messages regularly, you will be back here wanting to know how to recuperate all your messages because they will all disappear. Space is not the issue. Also, if you store your messages in any of the default folders such as Sent Items or Inbox, you will be back here wanting to know how to recuperate all your messages because they will all disappear. I suggest you take a long look at these web sites and learn how to maintain your Outlook Express properly: http://www.insideoutlookexpress.com/ http://www.oehelp.com/ Alias ----- Parent Message (links are clickable) ----- From: "Stan" Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...tlooke xpress Message: Sent: Wed 16 Aug 2006 09:21:25 -0700 (16:21:25 GMT) Subject: Undoing compact folders For the last few weeks, everytime I would close Outlook Express, I would get a pop up asking me whether I wanted to compact my Folders. Space was never an issue so I would allways click no. Yesterday I accidently clicked yes and all the folders got compacted. I don't want my folders compacted. How can I undo this. ----- DATA LOSS REPORT No 1 (links are clickable) ----- From: "Lai Yee" Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...xpress.general Message: Sent: Wed 12 Jul 2006 19:46:01 -0700 (Thu 13 Jul 02:46:01 GMT) Subject: Mails deleted after compacting folders When I received a pop up message asking me to compact/compress my folders, I clicked yes. After that, I noticed that outlook express deleted most of my mails. Why is this so? -- Lai Yee ----- DATA LOSS REPORT No 2 (links are clickable) ----- From: "CYY" Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...tlooke xpress Message: Sent: Tue 25 Jul 2006 07:04:02 -0700 (14:04:02 GMT) Subject: How to retrieve compacted messages-URGENT HELP In my office, I sort my all inbox msg and save them by the sender groups, for example APPLE, IBM and Microsoft. So the folders will have both old and new msgs which I need to refer for my daily work. However over the last few months, my OE had compacted the msgs twice. Within minutes, all the msgs in these folders were compacted and I can't find them anywhere. As I am a layman in IT Knowledge and do not know much about applications, I sincerely seek for someone's help on the following matters:- - Where to find the compacted msg ? - How to stop OE from compacting ? - Can the compacted msg be retrieved and save somewhere in Outlook Express ? Thank you in advance for your attention and assistance ----- DATA LOSS REPORT No 3 (links are clickable) ----- From: "sstephy" Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...xpress.general Message: Sent: Mon 31 Jul 2006 21:10:02 -0700 (Tue 1 Aug 04:10:02 GMT) Subject: O.E. Compacted messages are missing A window popped up asking if I wanted to compact my mail folders, I clicked yes, opened program today and all messages are gone from my mail folders. The folders are still there, but can someone tell me where my mail is and how to get it back into my Outlook Express folders again? I'm running Ver. 6.0 and WinXP SP2 Thanks, sstephy ----- DATA LOSS REPORT No 4 (links are clickable) ----- From: "Rick" Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...xpress.general Message: Sent: Wed 09 Aug 2006 13:22:04 GMT Subject: Compacting - Losing emails??? When OE compacts, it deletes all the messages in my folders, keeping only the last 90 days. I have lost over 5 years of emails!!!??? Can anyone help me recover those messaages? Can anyone tell me what is going on??? Thanks in advance - Rick ----- DATA LOSS REPORT No 5 (links are clickable) ----- From: "donna" Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...tlooke xpress Message: Sent: Wed 16 Aug 2006 15:50:02 -0700 (22:50:02 GMT) Subject: missing message after compacting files/how to restore dbx file All my messages from my Sent and Drafts folders were deleted - I believe I may have interrupted the compacting process although don't remember doing it. Doing a search, I have found the folders in Documents & Settings and they are a pretty good size so I think the message are there. 1. Can I get some specific instructions on how to restore all the contents of these two folders back into the folders of the same name in OE6. 2. Also if I have 1-2 brand new messages in these folders in OE6 now, do I need to remove them first? 3. Lastly, will the recent patch for XPSP2 regarding this eliminate this problem in the future? ----- DATA LOSS REPORT No 6 (links are clickable) ----- From: "chathp" Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...tlooke xpress Message: Sent: Sat 26 Aug 2006 23:06:01 -0700 (Sun 27 Aug 06:06:01 GMT) Subject: Compacting Folders I am the Administrator/Secretary of this company and I'm handling all the important company emails through Outlook Express. I do not know the latest version of OE automatically compacts folders on the 100th closing and opening of the program. I cancelled the process thinking it was accidental and would make the messages go to some unknown location, or worse...deleted. It is then that all the email messages for the year 2006 were gone. (I still have the email messages from 2000-2005 How can I recover my messages from this horrible tragic incident? ----- DATA LOSS REPORT No 7 (links are clickable) ----- From: "moorgain" Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...tlooke xpress Message: Sent: Mon 28 Aug 2006 15:44:01 -0700 (22:44:01 GMT) Subject: Compacted OE files Good morning Bruce Hoping you can help a illiterate novice computer user. Obviously there has been an upgrade because I have been getting a 'compact your files' message popping up every time I touch my OE. Unfortunately in a hurry the other day I clicked yes instead of cancel and all the files I had been keeping the inmportant stuff in have disappeared. Can you tell me in words of 1 syllable where they have gone and how or if I can get them back Thank you Christine ----- DATA LOSS REPORT No 8 (links are clickable) ----- From: Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...xpress.general Message: news://msnews.microsoft.com/11570669...legroups.co m Sent: Thu 31 Aug 2006 16:29:59 -0700 (23:29:59 GMT) Subject: Compacting Failed - Lost Messages Outlook Express started compacting messages then locked up and quit responding. Now about half my message folders are empty. I suspect the lost data is still around somewhere. Any suggestions on how I might locate it? Thx Jonathan26 ----- Stop forcing compaction (links are clickable) ----- From: Michel Merlin Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...xpress.general Message: news://msnews.microsoft.com/%23hUV7w...TNGP02.phx.gbl Sent: Thu 27 Jul 2006 18:46:36 +0200 (16:46:36 GMT) Subject: OE tries to force me compact messages When I close Outlook Express, it asks me: ................. |
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Pop: He's nuts.
"Pop`" wrote in message ... lol, you misread a LOT, and responded to something not even proposed. If I offended, you, sorry, but ... it's not rocket science, after all. Have fun Pop` Michel Merlin wrote: « don't believe all you read at MS and instead research yourself a concensus from any other reasonably good source » I suggest *you* "research yourself"; just searching the OE general NG news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...xpress.general for "Compact" is enough, provided you carefully read, following the links when present. You will see a lot of posts from MS afficionados (whether staff or MVPs or other "volunteers") infinitely repeating (as you are doing) stances that are never reality-checked, even sometimes with less helpfulness and efficiency than scorn and laughing at others' misfortunes. Please read with due care those posts from your friends, but please read with the same care those who disagree, whether from myself or others. « a compacting operation will not start after you've given the Hibernate command for instance, as you seem to think » I suggest you read my posts before guessing (in the wrong direction here) what they may contain. You will learn (since you seem to ignore it) that Windows tries to launch Compacting when OE closes, hence is calling for massive data loss, since OE most often closes when the user is shutting down - or goes away, which often triggers hibernation (and I think Windows won't refuse that hibernation). If Microsoft had the tiniest regard for users and their assets, such a stupidity would never had been released. And seeing afficionados infinitely and blindly defending this indefensible blunder is still more unbelievable. More, seeing some of them laughing in addition at the myriads misfortunes they are causing, is beyong anything. I think you will not believe there are plenty data losses caused by the fundamental error in MS' sight of message compaction, and more generally of data reliability. But please do the "Compact" search I asked, you will see how many people, just here, are reporting exactly this kind of massive data loss, caused by the very program in charge of their main assets. People not familiar with Microsoft's views and behavior, can't simply believe their own eyes when seeing their data stolen that way, and themselves plunged in misfortune by the very people they had paid for keeping them safe. Sure Microsoft can continue making money that way - for a while. But then, don't cry when backfire finally hits! PS. I am not sure you will seriously do the recommended "Compact" search with the due follow-on through links. So I have included below a selection of these reports - *EACH* one of these "DATA LOSS REPORTS" is about a *DATA LOSS*, and is the start of a thread; please follow each thread, you will see the infinitely repeated (implicit) defense of the indefensible, with sometimes insensibility or disdain for the scared user, and not a single attempt at demanding Microsoft to immediately stop this disaster. Another selection could be made of the threads, still more numerous, where people complain, shy because not believing their eyes, against the unbelievable blunder of forcing compaction on closing OE. One of those threads was started by me with an HTML message, I added it below ("Stop forcing compaction"); that long, useless, unhelpful thread is just an example (and a mild one) of the disregard from too many Microsoft staff and volunteers towards *customers* - the very people from whom they are getting their money (or satisfaction or other benefits). Paris, Sat 2 Sep 2006 10:00:55 +0200 ----- Parent Message (links are clickable) ----- From: "Pop`" Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...tlooke xpress Message: Sent: Fri 1 Sep 2006 19:12:33 -0400 (23:12:33 GMT) Subject: Compacting is in facts the main cause of corruption lol, I'll see ya on whichever group you go to when your lose your mail! I don't mean to be facetious, but don't believe all you read at MS and instead research yourself a concensus from any other reasonably good source you care to choose, and you'll have a glimmer of what's waiting for you. Personally I have never, in all my years of windows starting at 3.0 and on, lost an e-mail due to corruption of any kind, let along compacting. You also seem to think compacting can happen at any old time; it can't - it happens at specific times, and a compacting operation will not start after you've given the Hibernate command for instance, as you seem to think. The best thing for you to do would be to adhere to a strict, applicable backup/archiving routine so that whether it happens or not and whether you compact or not, you can recover. Happy emailing, Pop` ----- Parent Message (links are clickable) ----- From: "Michel Merlin" Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...tlooke xpress Message: news://msnews.microsoft.com/uSi2Qmez...TNGP06.phx.gbl Sent: Fri 1 Sep 2006 19:10:40 +0200 (17:10:40 GMT) Subject: Compacting is in facts the main cause of corruption « If you don't compact your messages regularly, you will be back here wanting to know how to recuperate all your messages because they will all disappear » As appropriately recalled in several documents (or messages in this newsgroup), messages and folders most often never get corrupt or lost if you never compact any folder (in addition to a few basic precautions, as: making frequent, full, and independent backups; keeping your OE folders under 100MB each; and never allowing NAV or other "self-inflicted-virus" to scan your incoming or outgoing email). Microsoft itself implicitly recognized this in "When the Cure Kills: Compacting and Corruption" http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/...ion.mspx#EZAAC since they admit that "background compaction" (i.e. "compact files automatically after Outlook Express had been inactive for some minutes") was causing corruption... Unfortunately MS, stopping its thinking before its end, just replaced the initial flaw with worse: compacting is now *forced onto user* (by allotting him too few seconds to refuse) and *as soon as OE is closed* - which in facts builds still higher probability that the compaction will start while the PC hibernates or shuts down, ensuring that corruption will arise. The "fix" currently offerred in http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2 and http://tinyurl.com/mx3r2 doesn't fix the problem at all since it just strengthens the initial choice of 1. starting the compaction when the PC most probably will shut down or hibernate, 2. *forcing* this against the user's will. Paris, Fri 1 Sep 2006 19:10:40 +0200 ----- Parent Message (links are clickable) ----- From: "--Alias--" Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...tlooke xpress Message: news://msnews.microsoft.com/OBocfEVw...TNGP03.phx.gbl Sent: Wed 16 Aug 2006 18:29:14 +0200 (16:29:14 GMT) Subject: Undoing compact folders If you don't compact your messages regularly, you will be back here wanting to know how to recuperate all your messages because they will all disappear. Space is not the issue. Also, if you store your messages in any of the default folders such as Sent Items or Inbox, you will be back here wanting to know how to recuperate all your messages because they will all disappear. I suggest you take a long look at these web sites and learn how to maintain your Outlook Express properly: http://www.insideoutlookexpress.com/ http://www.oehelp.com/ Alias ----- Parent Message (links are clickable) ----- From: "Stan" Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...tlooke xpress Message: Sent: Wed 16 Aug 2006 09:21:25 -0700 (16:21:25 GMT) Subject: Undoing compact folders For the last few weeks, everytime I would close Outlook Express, I would get a pop up asking me whether I wanted to compact my Folders. Space was never an issue so I would allways click no. Yesterday I accidently clicked yes and all the folders got compacted. I don't want my folders compacted. How can I undo this. ----- DATA LOSS REPORT No 1 (links are clickable) ----- From: "Lai Yee" Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...xpress.general Message: Sent: Wed 12 Jul 2006 19:46:01 -0700 (Thu 13 Jul 02:46:01 GMT) Subject: Mails deleted after compacting folders When I received a pop up message asking me to compact/compress my folders, I clicked yes. After that, I noticed that outlook express deleted most of my mails. Why is this so? |
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Michel Merlin wrote:
« lol, you misread a LOT » Could you please be as polite and correct as, either back this with precise quote and explanation, or retract? You certainly would expect at least this minimum correction if *YOU* were publicly assaulted as you are repetitively doing here against me. You weren't assaulted. There was nothing done repetitively and as for specifics, it should be pretty easy for you to know them. Nitpicking arguements aren't something I participate in; sorry. Pop` Paris, Sun 3 Sep 2006 02:34:10 +0200 ----- Parent Message (links are clickable) ----- From: "Pop`" Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...tlooke xpress Message: Sent: Sat 2 Sep 2006 20:17:50 -0400 (Sun 3 Sep 00:17:50 GMT) Subject: Reality check on data losses due to compaction in OE lol, you misread a LOT, and responded to something not even proposed. If I offended, you, sorry, but ... it's not rocket science, after all. Have fun Pop` ----- Parent Message (links are clickable) ----- From: "Michel Merlin" Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...tlooke xpress Message: news://msnews.microsoft.com/u8hgsXmz...TNGP04.phx.gbl Sent: Sat 2 Sep 2006 10:00:55 +0200 (08:00:55 GMT) Subject: Reality check on data losses due to compaction in OE « don't believe all you read at MS and instead research yourself a concensus from any other reasonably good source » I suggest *you* "research yourself"; just searching the OE general NG news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...xpress.general for "Compact" is enough, provided you carefully read, following the links when present. You will see a lot of posts from MS afficionados (whether staff or MVPs or other "volunteers") infinitely repeating (as you are doing) stances that are never reality-checked, even sometimes with less helpfulness and efficiency than scorn and laughing at others' misfortunes. Please read with due care those posts from your friends, but please read with the same care those who disagree, whether from myself or others. « a compacting operation will not start after you've given the Hibernate command for instance, as you seem to think » I suggest you read my posts before guessing (in the wrong direction here) what they may contain. You will learn (since you seem to ignore it) that Windows tries to launch Compacting when OE closes, hence is calling for massive data loss, since OE most often closes when the user is shutting down - or goes away, which often triggers hibernation (and I think Windows won't refuse that hibernation). If Microsoft had the tiniest regard for users and their assets, such a stupidity would never had been released. And seeing afficionados infinitely and blindly defending this indefensible blunder is still more unbelievable. More, seeing some of them laughing in addition at the myriads misfortunes they are causing, is beyong anything. I think you will not believe there are plenty data losses caused by the fundamental error in MS' sight of message compaction, and more generally of data reliability. But please do the "Compact" search I asked, you will see how many people, just here, are reporting exactly this kind of massive data loss, caused by the very program in charge of their main assets. People not familiar with Microsoft's views and behavior, can't simply believe their own eyes when seeing their data stolen that way, and themselves plunged in misfortune by the very people they had paid for keeping them safe. Sure Microsoft can continue making money that way - for a while. But then, don't cry when backfire finally hits! PS. I am not sure you will seriously do the recommended "Compact" search with the due follow-on through links. So I have included below a selection of these reports - *EACH* one of these "DATA LOSS REPORTS" is about a *DATA LOSS*, and is the start of a thread; please follow each thread, you will see the infinitely repeated (implicit) defense of the indefensible, with sometimes insensibility or disdain for the scared user, and not a single attempt at demanding Microsoft to immediately stop this disaster. Another selection could be made of the threads, still more numerous, where people complain, shy because not believing their eyes, against the unbelievable blunder of forcing compaction on closing OE. One of those threads was started by me with an HTML message, I added it below ("Stop forcing compaction"); that long, useless, unhelpful thread is just an example (and a mild one) of the disregard from too many Microsoft staff and volunteers towards *customers* - the very people from whom they are getting their money (or satisfaction or other benefits). Paris, Sat 2 Sep 2006 10:00:55 +0200 ----- Parent Message (links are clickable) ----- From: "Pop`" Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...tlooke xpress Message: Sent: Fri 1 Sep 2006 19:12:33 -0400 (23:12:33 GMT) Subject: Compacting is in facts the main cause of corruption lol, I'll see ya on whichever group you go to when your lose your mail! I don't mean to be facetious, but don't believe all you read at MS and instead research yourself a concensus from any other reasonably good source you care to choose, and you'll have a glimmer of what's waiting for you. Personally I have never, in all my years of windows starting at 3.0 and on, lost an e-mail due to corruption of any kind, let along compacting. You also seem to think compacting can happen at any old time; it can't - it happens at specific times, and a compacting operation will not start after you've given the Hibernate command for instance, as you seem to think. The best thing for you to do would be to adhere to a strict, applicable backup/archiving routine so that whether it happens or not and whether you compact or not, you can recover. Happy emailing, Pop` ----- Parent Message (links are clickable) ----- From: "Michel Merlin" Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...tlooke xpress Message: news://msnews.microsoft.com/uSi2Qmez...TNGP06.phx.gbl Sent: Fri 1 Sep 2006 19:10:40 +0200 (17:10:40 GMT) Subject: Compacting is in facts the main cause of corruption « If you don't compact your messages regularly, you will be back here wanting to know how to recuperate all your messages because they will all disappear » As appropriately recalled in several documents (or messages in this newsgroup), messages and folders most often never get corrupt or lost if you never compact any folder (in addition to a few basic precautions, as: making frequent, full, and independent backups; keeping your OE folders under 100MB each; and never allowing NAV or other "self-inflicted-virus" to scan your incoming or outgoing email). Microsoft itself implicitly recognized this in "When the Cure Kills: Compacting and Corruption" http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/...ion.mspx#EZAAC since they admit that "background compaction" (i.e. "compact files automatically after Outlook Express had been inactive for some minutes") was causing corruption... Unfortunately MS, stopping its thinking before its end, just replaced the initial flaw with worse: compacting is now *forced onto user* (by allotting him too few seconds to refuse) and *as soon as OE is closed* - which in facts builds still higher probability that the compaction will start while the PC hibernates or shuts down, ensuring that corruption will arise. The "fix" currently offerred in http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2 and http://tinyurl.com/mx3r2 doesn't fix the problem at all since it just strengthens the initial choice of 1. starting the compaction when the PC most probably will shut down or hibernate, 2. *forcing* this against the user's will. Paris, Fri 1 Sep 2006 19:10:40 +0200 ----- Parent Message (links are clickable) ----- From: "--Alias--" Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...tlooke xpress Message: news://msnews.microsoft.com/OBocfEVw...TNGP03.phx.gbl Sent: Wed 16 Aug 2006 18:29:14 +0200 (16:29:14 GMT) Subject: Undoing compact folders If you don't compact your messages regularly, you will be back here wanting to know how to recuperate all your messages because they will all disappear. Space is not the issue. Also, if you store your messages in any of the default folders such as Sent Items or Inbox, you will be back here wanting to know how to recuperate all your messages because they will all disappear. I suggest you take a long look at these web sites and learn how to maintain your Outlook Express properly: http://www.insideoutlookexpress.com/ http://www.oehelp.com/ Alias ----- Parent Message (links are clickable) ----- From: "Stan" Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...tlooke xpress Message: Sent: Wed 16 Aug 2006 09:21:25 -0700 (16:21:25 GMT) Subject: Undoing compact folders For the last few weeks, everytime I would close Outlook Express, I would get a pop up asking me whether I wanted to compact my Folders. Space was never an issue so I would allways click no. Yesterday I accidently clicked yes and all the folders got compacted. I don't want my folders compacted. How can I undo this. ----- DATA LOSS REPORT No 1 (links are clickable) ----- From: "Lai Yee" Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...xpress.general Message: Sent: Wed 12 Jul 2006 19:46:01 -0700 (Thu 13 Jul 02:46:01 GMT) Subject: Mails deleted after compacting folders When I received a pop up message asking me to compact/compress my folders, I clicked yes. After that, I noticed that outlook express deleted most of my mails. Why is this so? |
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