I have a Client whose ISP (BT Connect) blocks sending email from anything
other than its own domain. He would like to be able to send email using a
domain hosted elsewhere.

I'm sure others have come across this problem but has anyone found a way
around it?

If this is not the appropriate NG for such an enquiry I apologise and would
be grateful if someone can suggest a more appropriate NG.

Thanks.

Bill Ridgeway
Computer Solutions

"Bill Ridgeway" wrote in message
...
I have a Client whose ISP (BT Connect) blocks sending email from anything
other than its own domain. He would like to be able to send email using a
domain hosted elsewhere.

I'm sure others have come across this problem but has anyone found a way
around it?

If this is not the appropriate NG for such an enquiry I apologise and
would be grateful if someone can suggest a more appropriate NG.

Thanks.

Bill Ridgeway
Computer Solutions



It depends on the server he wants to use. Some servers allow use of an SMTP
server on a different port than 25. You would have to check with the
administration of the server he wants to use.

Another way is to set the account he wants to use for the SMTP server for
AOL. As long as the email address and ReplyTo address are what he wants, he
should be okay. Even if AOL insists on their own email address, using his
preferred sever for the ReplyTo should ensure that the replies come to the
server he wishes.

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
http://www.fjsmjs.com
Answer in newsgroup. Don't send mail.

Frank,

Thanks.

You say Another way is to set the account he wants to use for the SMTP
server for AOL. As long as the email address and ReplyTo address are what
he wants, he should be okay. Even if AOL insists on their own email
address, using his preferred sever for the ReplyTo should ensure that the
replies come to the server he wishes. But would that work only with an
AOL account? I have tried setting the SMTP to both the BT and the email
host server and both have failed so this doesn't seem possible. My client's
ISP is BT so how would OE need to be configured so that he may send email
from his domain hosted elsewhere please?

Thanks.

Bill Ridgeway
Computer Solutions

"Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM" wrote in message
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"Bill Ridgeway" wrote in message
...
I have a Client whose ISP (BT Connect) blocks sending email from anything
other than its own domain. He would like to be able to send email using a
domain hosted elsewhere.

I'm sure others have come across this problem but has anyone found a way
around it?

If this is not the appropriate NG for such an enquiry I apologise and
would be grateful if someone can suggest a more appropriate NG.

Thanks.

Bill Ridgeway
Computer Solutions



It depends on the server he wants to use. Some servers allow use of an
SMTP server on a different port than 25. You would have to check with the
administration of the server he wants to use.

Another way is to set the account he wants to use for the SMTP server for
AOL. As long as the email address and ReplyTo address are what he wants,
he should be okay. Even if AOL insists on their own email address, using
his preferred sever for the ReplyTo should ensure that the replies come to
the server he wishes.

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
http://www.fjsmjs.com
Answer in newsgroup. Don't send mail.

"Bill Ridgeway" wrote in message
...
Frank,

Thanks.

You say Another way is to set the account he wants to use for the SMTP
server for AOL. As long as the email address and ReplyTo address are what
he wants, he should be okay. Even if AOL insists on their own email
address, using his preferred sever for the ReplyTo should ensure that the
replies come to the server he wishes. But would that work only with an
AOL account? I have tried setting the SMTP to both the BT and the email
host server and both have failed so this doesn't seem possible. My
client's ISP is BT so how would OE need to be configured so that he may
send email from his domain hosted elsewhere please?


It should work as long as the SMTP server is set to the ISP you are
connected through. It may be necessary to use the email address at that
ISP, but it should ignore the ReplyTo. If it doesn't, the ISP is doing
something wrong.

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
http://www.fjsmjs.com
Answer in newsgroup. Don't send mail.

Hi Bill,

My home ISP will only let me send mail using their SMPT.

However by setting the USER information on the General tab in the Accounts
(properties) dialog window, I can have the Reply To in the outgoing email
display my Work ISP address. Click the (?) top right hand corner on the
General tab for more info of the different fields for USER information.

In other words, when I send email from home or work and someone replies, the
replies go to my Work email address.

Ken

"Bill Ridgeway" wrote in message
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| I have a Client whose ISP (BT Connect) blocks sending email from anything
| other than its own domain. He would like to be able to send email using a
| domain hosted elsewhere.
|
| I'm sure others have come across this problem but has anyone found a way
| around it?
|
| If this is not the appropriate NG for such an enquiry I apologise and
would
| be grateful if someone can suggest a more appropriate NG.
|
| Thanks.
|
| Bill Ridgeway
| Computer Solutions
|
|

On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 13:20:07 -0400, Ken wrote:

My home ISP will only let me send mail using their SMPT.

As does mine.

However by setting the USER information on the General tab in the Accounts
(properties) dialog window, I can have the Reply To in the outgoing email
display my Work ISP address. Click the (?) top right hand corner on the
General tab for more info of the different fields for USER information.

I have not needed that work around. I have used the following mail
servers, in spite of the port 25 block:

smtp.aol.com - port 587 w/STARTTLS
smtp.aim.com - port 587 w/STARTTLS
smtp.gmail.com - port 465 w/SSL
smtp.gmail.com - port 587 w/STARTTLS
smtp.gmx.net - port 587 w/STARTLS
smtp.myrealbox.com - port 465 w/SSL
smtp.mail.yahoo.com - port 587 w/o STARTTLS
smtp.mail.yahoo.co.jp - port 587 w/o STARTTLS

I am sure that there are other email service providers using either port
465, or port 587. If not those two ports, some other port than port 25.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

It has been suggested that one way around this problem is to use an email
relay server. I don't know how these work. Presumably you send email to
them and they send it on. My question is, do recipients see the source as
being the ISP domain ), my email host server )
or the email relay server )?

Thanks.

Bill Ridgeway
Computer Solutions

"Bill Ridgeway" wrote in message
...
I have a Client whose ISP (BT Connect) blocks sending email from anything
other than its own domain. He would like to be able to send email using a
domain hosted elsewhere.

I'm sure others have come across this problem but has anyone found a way
around it?

If this is not the appropriate NG for such an enquiry I apologise and
would be grateful if someone can suggest a more appropriate NG.

Thanks.

Bill Ridgeway
Computer Solutions

They'll see what's in the From field, but a reply will still go to ReplyTo.
I can see the problem here in that they might :correct: their Address Book.
On the other hand, with OE if you have something tin the Name field of the
account then they won't see the email address.

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
http://www.fjsmjs.com
Answer in newsgroup. Don't send mail.

"Bill Ridgeway" wrote in message
...
It has been suggested that one way around this problem is to use an email
relay server. I don't know how these work. Presumably you send email to
them and they send it on. My question is, do recipients see the source as
being the ISP domain ), my email host server
) or the email relay server )?

Thanks.

Bill Ridgeway
Computer Solutions

"Bill Ridgeway" wrote in message
...
I have a Client whose ISP (BT Connect) blocks sending email from anything
other than its own domain. He would like to be able to send email using a
domain hosted elsewhere.

I'm sure others have come across this problem but has anyone found a way
around it?

If this is not the appropriate NG for such an enquiry I apologise and
would be grateful if someone can suggest a more appropriate NG.

Thanks.

Bill Ridgeway
Computer Solutions

Frank,

Sorry but I've lost you.

The situation is my Client has an account with BT which blocks email being
sent out using his email address AND so that
recipients see emails as having been received from ?
The options seems to be -

1. Do nothing - having a discrete domain is not a good option
2. Change ISP - not a viable option
3. Subscribe to a relay server - will recipients see the email as coming
from
4. Any other way?

No.3 may be a runner but only if its satisfies both element of the
requirement.
No.4 who knows what anyone may come up with

Is that summary more -or-less correct?

Thanks.

Bill Ridgeway
Computer Solutions

"Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM" wrote in message
...
They'll see what's in the From field, but a reply will still go to
ReplyTo. I can see the problem here in that they might :correct: their
Address Book. On the other hand, with OE if you have something tin the
Name field of the account then they won't see the email address.

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
http://www.fjsmjs.com
Answer in newsgroup. Don't send mail.

"Bill Ridgeway" wrote in message
...
It has been suggested that one way around this problem is to use an email
relay server. I don't know how these work. Presumably you send email to
them and they send it on. My question is, do recipients see the source
as being the ISP domain ), my email host server
) or the email relay server )?

Thanks.

Bill Ridgeway
Computer Solutions

"Bill Ridgeway" wrote in message
...
I have a Client whose ISP (BT Connect) blocks sending email from
anything other than its own domain. He would like to be able to send
email using a domain hosted elsewhere.

I'm sure others have come across this problem but has anyone found a way
around it?

If this is not the appropriate NG for such an enquiry I apologise and
would be grateful if someone can suggest a more appropriate NG.

Thanks.

Bill Ridgeway
Computer Solutions

On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 22:44:12 +0100, Bill Ridgeway wrote:

Sorry but I've lost you.

The situation is my Client has an account with BT which blocks email being
sent out using his email address AND so that
recipients see emails as having been received from ?
The options seems to be -

1. Do nothing - having a discrete domain is not a good option
2. Change ISP - not a viable option
3. Subscribe to a relay server - will recipients see the email as coming
from
4. Any other way?

No.3 may be a runner but only if its satisfies both element of the
requirement.
No.4 who knows what anyone may come up with

Is that summary more -or-less correct?

See my post about consulting with your client's hosting provider. If the
client's hosting provider will allow connection to their SMTP server
through another port than port 25, you just have to configure MSOE for
that other port, and SSL, if requires. Alas, MSOE will only perform
STARTTLS (aka, "TLS") on port 25. Don't confuse SSL and TLS; they _are_
different.

If not, consider the following examples:

Yahoo! Mail 'smtp.mail.yahoo.com:587':

| Return-Path:
| Received: from rly-xb06.mx.aol.com (rly-xb06.mail.aol.com [172.20.64.52])
| by air-xb01.mail.aol.com (v112_r1.5) with ESMTP id MAILINXB14-6cb451f465f25d;
| Sun, 01 Oct 2006 00:39:06 -0400
| Received: from smtp104.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp104.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.237])
| by rly-xb06.mx.aol.com (v112_r1.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXB69-6cb451f465f25d;
| Sun, 01 Oct 2006 00:38:56 -0400
| Received: (qmail 90979 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2006 04:38:55 -0000
| Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.102.31?) with login)
| by smtp104.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2006 04:38:54 -0000
| From: "N. Miller"
| Organization: Yahoo! Mail
| To:
| Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 21:38:45 -0700
| MIME-Version: 1.0
| Subject: [TEST] Using the Yahoo! Mail servers

My Japanese is weak, and I didn't have time to work out how to configure
'smtp.mail.yahoo.co.jp' to accept non-domain email. It can be done, and
should be possible with 'smtp.mail.yahoo.co.uk' as well. It doesn't show
here because I use a Yahoo! Public Profile ID (hard2findanamenotused)
for the log in. With just the email address, it would have shown,
with login)". But you don't see that
email address as the Return-Path, or the sender; those are "
email addresses.

With 'smtp.mail.yahoo.co.uk', I imagine that your client will have to
configure his email address as an authorized sender. The Yahoo! UK
account should still offer free access to the SMTP server for just
subscribing to Yahoo! Delivers; that is how I got access to
'smtp.mail.yahoo.co.jp'. Port 587 must be used when port 25 is blocked.

GMail 'smtp.gmail.com:587':

| Return-Path:
| Received: from rly-yg04.mx.aol.com (rly-yg04.mail.aol.com [172.18.180.82])
| by air-yg03.mail.aol.com (v112_r1.5) with ESMTP id MAILINYG31-289451f47172b4;
| Sun, 01 Oct 2006 00:42:02 -0400
| Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.232])
| by rly-yg04.mx.aol.com (v112_r1.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINYG49-289451f47172b4;
| Sun, 01 Oct 2006 00:41:59 -0400
| Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s16so1322389wxc
| for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 21:41:59 -0700 (PDT)
| DomainKey-Signatu a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws;
| s=beta; d=gmail.com;
| h=received:fromrganization:to:date:mime-version:subject:message-idriority:x-mailer:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-description:sender;
| b=b4+OsS25QLhyEF8kDtb3XysMWZuGTLgvBSjwT+17CN2s80vv XKn54V5ZdJYmihMJZMU/5tQ5vqtVLvLEJfinPD7R1h8nbp1wZm8J5vNG4TEKxaayqv5Mk2 z2Fl4cvAR0TdUrlVthnfa9e1iT0jhVd8wg6a2tmYaZiP4GzxgF seE=
| Received: by 10.70.40.1 with SMTP id n1mr3926152wxn;
| Sat, 30 Sep 2006 21:41:59 -0700 (PDT)
| Received: from gmail.com ( [69.227.43.68])
| by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 28sm292375wrl.2006.09.30.21.41.56;
| Sat, 30 Sep 2006 21:41:58 -0700 (PDT)
| From: "N. Miller"
| Organization: Google Mail System
| To:
| Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 21:41:46 -0700
| MIME-Version: 1.0
| Subject: [TEST] Using the GMail servers.

Although the Return-Path is the GMail account email address, all the
recipient sees for the sender is the " email address; as
well, that is the email address to which a reply will be sent.

With MSOE unable to use STARTTLS (TLS) on port 587, your client would
have to configure MSOE to use port 465 with SSL. As with Yahoo! Japan,
GMail also requires configuring a non-GMail domain as an authorized
sender before trying to use it so.

GMail is free, but requires an invitation.

Frankly, getting alternate port access through the hosting service would
be a superior solution. Your client is paying for the service, the
provider should offer the service.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum