I've always left the tree there because I didn't know that it mattered I
guess. Is it better to click it closed before compacting? Safer????
Dudley


"Alias" wrote in message
...
Dudley Henriques wrote:
That's my procedure as well. My normal method of using the computer is to
not use any two programs at one time anyway. I always close one thing
before opening another. When I'm using OE, that's the only thing open
save processes running in the background. When I compact at night,
everything is closed to a clean desktop, then I open OE and compact off
line.
I guess with this new update running the baks into the bin, the safest
method to do this now would be to alter the procedure a bit and leave the
recycle bin alone after compaction to be deleted the next day, always
working one day behind for clearing the bin. This would allow the next
day to verify that all is ok with OE; then to close and compact for the
next day, clear the bin first, then compact and leave again for a repeat
the next day. In other words, work OE each day, but work the recycle bin
one day later all the time.
Sound feasible?
Dudley

Very. The other thing I do when I compact is to click on Outlook Express
at the top of the folder tree, get rid of the folder tree and, like you,
go off line. You can put icons on the tool bar for both going off line and
disabling/enabling the folder tree.

Alias


"Alias" wrote in message
...
Dudley Henriques wrote:
Thanks Frank;

My only question would be a REAL concern about my procedure of
compacting every night. I do this as the last thing before closing down
my system. Does this mean I now have to reopen OE every night after
compacting and check every folder to see that messages are still
intact, then go into the recycle bin and empty it? That will mean I
have to go back and open each and every folder on the bar to see if
it's showing messages, and even then I won't know if they are ALL
there.
Am I missing something here? :-)))))
Dudley
You can wait until the morning but don't empty the recycle bin until
you've checked. That said, I always back up OE before compacting with
another OE back up program. Chances are, nothing will be missing unless,
for example, the lights go off when you're in the middle of compacting
or if you foolishly stop the compacting by doing a reboot in the middle
of the process or try to do something else like surf the web when it's
in process. When compacting, you should not even touch your mouse or
keyboard until it's done. I have never lost messages from compacting (or
anything else for that matter).

Alias
"Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM" wrote in
message ...
"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
...
I compact folders each night manually in OE and have never had any
issues with this procedure. The folders compress and that's it.
Just tonight, OE started copying all the dbx files to the recycle bin
as I manually compress. They show up there with a BAK extension.
Can anyone shed any light on this for me. I don't think I've changed
any settings and this has never happened before.
If possible I need to know what's happening and why and how to
correct it if it's an issue please.
Thank you
Dudley Henriques

Just to add to what Alias and Steve said, this is a Good Thing.

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
http://www.fjsmjs.com
Answer in newsgroup. Don't send mail.

You don't actually have to close the tree, but it is suggested to click on
Outlook Express so no active folder is open.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
...
I've always left the tree there because I didn't know that it mattered I
guess. Is it better to click it closed before compacting? Safer????
Dudley


"Alias" wrote in message
...
Dudley Henriques wrote:
That's my procedure as well. My normal method of using the computer is
to not use any two programs at one time anyway. I always close one thing
before opening another. When I'm using OE, that's the only thing open
save processes running in the background. When I compact at night,
everything is closed to a clean desktop, then I open OE and compact off
line.
I guess with this new update running the baks into the bin, the safest
method to do this now would be to alter the procedure a bit and leave
the recycle bin alone after compaction to be deleted the next day,
always working one day behind for clearing the bin. This would allow the
next day to verify that all is ok with OE; then to close and compact for
the next day, clear the bin first, then compact and leave again for a
repeat the next day. In other words, work OE each day, but work the
recycle bin one day later all the time.
Sound feasible?
Dudley

Very. The other thing I do when I compact is to click on Outlook Express
at the top of the folder tree, get rid of the folder tree and, like you,
go off line. You can put icons on the tool bar for both going off line
and disabling/enabling the folder tree.

Alias


"Alias" wrote in message
...
Dudley Henriques wrote:
Thanks Frank;

My only question would be a REAL concern about my procedure of
compacting every night. I do this as the last thing before closing
down my system. Does this mean I now have to reopen OE every night
after compacting and check every folder to see that messages are still
intact, then go into the recycle bin and empty it? That will mean I
have to go back and open each and every folder on the bar to see if
it's showing messages, and even then I won't know if they are ALL
there.
Am I missing something here? :-)))))
Dudley
You can wait until the morning but don't empty the recycle bin until
you've checked. That said, I always back up OE before compacting with
another OE back up program. Chances are, nothing will be missing
unless, for example, the lights go off when you're in the middle of
compacting or if you foolishly stop the compacting by doing a reboot in
the middle of the process or try to do something else like surf the web
when it's in process. When compacting, you should not even touch your
mouse or keyboard until it's done. I have never lost messages from
compacting (or anything else for that matter).

Alias
"Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM" wrote in
message ...
"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
...
I compact folders each night manually in OE and have never had any
issues with this procedure. The folders compress and that's it.
Just tonight, OE started copying all the dbx files to the recycle
bin as I manually compress. They show up there with a BAK extension.
Can anyone shed any light on this for me. I don't think I've changed
any settings and this has never happened before.
If possible I need to know what's happening and why and how to
correct it if it's an issue please.
Thank you
Dudley Henriques

Just to add to what Alias and Steve said, this is a Good Thing.

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
http://www.fjsmjs.com
Answer in newsgroup. Don't send mail.

Dudley Henriques wrote:
I've always left the tree there because I didn't know that it mattered I
guess. Is it better to click it closed before compacting? Safer????
Dudley

I don't really know. I read it on an MVP's OE site and have done it ever
since. Perhaps it isn't necessary but it can't hurt ;-)

Alias


"Alias" wrote in message
...
Dudley Henriques wrote:
That's my procedure as well. My normal method of using the computer is to
not use any two programs at one time anyway. I always close one thing
before opening another. When I'm using OE, that's the only thing open
save processes running in the background. When I compact at night,
everything is closed to a clean desktop, then I open OE and compact off
line.
I guess with this new update running the baks into the bin, the safest
method to do this now would be to alter the procedure a bit and leave the
recycle bin alone after compaction to be deleted the next day, always
working one day behind for clearing the bin. This would allow the next
day to verify that all is ok with OE; then to close and compact for the
next day, clear the bin first, then compact and leave again for a repeat
the next day. In other words, work OE each day, but work the recycle bin
one day later all the time.
Sound feasible?
Dudley
Very. The other thing I do when I compact is to click on Outlook Express
at the top of the folder tree, get rid of the folder tree and, like you,
go off line. You can put icons on the tool bar for both going off line and
disabling/enabling the folder tree.

Alias

"Alias" wrote in message
...
Dudley Henriques wrote:
Thanks Frank;

My only question would be a REAL concern about my procedure of
compacting every night. I do this as the last thing before closing down
my system. Does this mean I now have to reopen OE every night after
compacting and check every folder to see that messages are still
intact, then go into the recycle bin and empty it? That will mean I
have to go back and open each and every folder on the bar to see if
it's showing messages, and even then I won't know if they are ALL
there.
Am I missing something here? :-)))))
Dudley
You can wait until the morning but don't empty the recycle bin until
you've checked. That said, I always back up OE before compacting with
another OE back up program. Chances are, nothing will be missing unless,
for example, the lights go off when you're in the middle of compacting
or if you foolishly stop the compacting by doing a reboot in the middle
of the process or try to do something else like surf the web when it's
in process. When compacting, you should not even touch your mouse or
keyboard until it's done. I have never lost messages from compacting (or
anything else for that matter).

Alias
"Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM" wrote in
message ...
"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
...
I compact folders each night manually in OE and have never had any
issues with this procedure. The folders compress and that's it.
Just tonight, OE started copying all the dbx files to the recycle bin
as I manually compress. They show up there with a BAK extension.
Can anyone shed any light on this for me. I don't think I've changed
any settings and this has never happened before.
If possible I need to know what's happening and why and how to
correct it if it's an issue please.
Thank you
Dudley Henriques

Just to add to what Alias and Steve said, this is a Good Thing.

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
http://www.fjsmjs.com
Answer in newsgroup. Don't send mail.

"Alias" wrote in message
...
Dudley Henriques wrote:
I compact folders each night manually in OE and have never
had any issues with this procedure. The folders compress and
that's it.
Just tonight, OE started copying all the dbx files to the
recycle bin as I manually compress. They show up there with a
BAK extension.
Can anyone shed any light on this for me. I don't think I've
changed any settings and this has never happened before.
If possible I need to know what's happening and why and how
to correct it if it's an issue please.
Thank you
Dudley Henriques

It's an update from Windows Update. Now, when you compact, OE
sets the count back to zero and backs up your messages and
puts them in the recycle bin. It's normal and about time they
released it. I've had it for months. If, after a reboot, your
OE hasn't lost any messages, you can delete the items in the
recycle bin.

Alias

-
Alias: One of the goofiest schemes that Microsoft has come up
with in a while. What on earth has happened?...these guys are
nuts. Filling up my computer with a whole bunch of useless
backups which I didn't want or ask for is just plain dumb.

I know, the MVPs will say...well if you don't like the patch,
then uninstall it. I say, if they are going to re-program OE or
patch it, then do it correctly, not with stupid easy routines
that don't really correct things but just mask them or give you
an out if things go wrong.

In the meantime, put up with this BS, and for gawds sake don't
complain...as it will do no good.

Doug W.
-

Doug wrote:

"Alias" wrote in message
...
Dudley Henriques wrote:
I compact folders each night manually in OE and have never had any
issues with this procedure. The folders compress and that's it.
Just tonight, OE started copying all the dbx files to the recycle bin
as I manually compress. They show up there with a BAK extension.
Can anyone shed any light on this for me. I don't think I've changed
any settings and this has never happened before.
If possible I need to know what's happening and why and how to
correct it if it's an issue please.
Thank you
Dudley Henriques

It's an update from Windows Update. Now, when you compact, OE sets the
count back to zero and backs up your messages and puts them in the
recycle bin. It's normal and about time they released it. I've had it
for months. If, after a reboot, your OE hasn't lost any messages, you
can delete the items in the recycle bin.

Alias

-
Alias: One of the goofiest schemes that Microsoft has come up with in a
while. What on earth has happened?...these guys are nuts. Filling up my
computer with a whole bunch of useless backups which I didn't want or
ask for is just plain dumb.

I know, the MVPs will say...well if you don't like the patch, then
uninstall it. I say, if they are going to re-program OE or patch it,
then do it correctly, not with stupid easy routines that don't really
correct things but just mask them or give you an out if things go wrong.

In the meantime, put up with this BS, and for gawds sake don't
complain...as it will do no good.

Doug W.
-



I prefer the OT Tool and using OE Freebie Backup myself. When I
reformat, that feature will not be a part of my downloads.

Alias

Hi Little Stevie Wonder!!

Thank goodness I read thru the posts. I just discovered 550 meg of
backed up OE stuff in my Delete Bin and wondered what in h*ll was going
on. I had removed IE7 (ptui!!) a few days ago and thought that was the
culprit.

NO.....MS in its infinite wisdom has seen fit to spring yet another
surprise on us without mentioning what will happen. (VBG)

OK....now I will go and delete all of these *.bak files now that I see
you guys are OK with that......I think. I will await your approval, Sir
Stevie.

And will also clean out the excess **** from my Inbox and Outbox (PA
Bear knows I am bad with that, grin).

Merry Christmas to all of the MVP's on here that I have known for a
decade (almost). Elayne and I still laugh at what she did to your cat
way back when, Steve. (eyeball)

Cheers....Heather/Figgs
"Steve Cochran" wrote in message
...
Hi Dudley,

Its a new patch to protect the message store when compacting. See
www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2

steve

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
...
I compact folders each night manually in OE and have never had any
issues with this procedure. The folders compress and that's it.
Just tonight, OE started copying all the dbx files to the recycle bin
as I manually compress. They show up there with a BAK extension.
Can anyone shed any light on this for me. I don't think I've changed
any settings and this has never happened before.
If possible I need to know what's happening and why and how to
correct it if it's an issue please.
Thank you
Dudley Henriques

Merry Xmas, Dudley......we keep meeting up on this news group from time
to time. My (hopefully) once a year problem usually....lol.

Best.....Heather

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
...
Thanks Steve;
DH

"Steve Cochran" wrote in message
...
Hi Dudley,

Its a new patch to protect the message store when compacting. See
www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2

steve

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
...
I compact folders each night manually in OE and have never had any
issues with this procedure. The folders compress and that's it.
Just tonight, OE started copying all the dbx files to the recycle
bin as I manually compress. They show up there with a BAK extension.
Can anyone shed any light on this for me. I don't think I've changed
any settings and this has never happened before.
If possible I need to know what's happening and why and how to
correct it if it's an issue please.
Thank you
Dudley Henriques

The majority of people don't back up their messages regularly. That is why
MS did this. I would download CCleaner. You can empty the Recycle Bin, TIFs,
History, Cookies and more with a click of the mouse. It can also be set to
run at startup and do this automatically.

CCleaner:
http://www.ccleaner.com/
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Doug" stand@attention wrote in message
...

"Alias" wrote in message
...
Dudley Henriques wrote:
I compact folders each night manually in OE and have never had any
issues with this procedure. The folders compress and that's it.
Just tonight, OE started copying all the dbx files to the recycle bin as
I manually compress. They show up there with a BAK extension.
Can anyone shed any light on this for me. I don't think I've changed any
settings and this has never happened before.
If possible I need to know what's happening and why and how to correct
it if it's an issue please.
Thank you
Dudley Henriques

It's an update from Windows Update. Now, when you compact, OE sets the
count back to zero and backs up your messages and puts them in the
recycle bin. It's normal and about time they released it. I've had it for
months. If, after a reboot, your OE hasn't lost any messages, you can
delete the items in the recycle bin.

Alias

-
Alias: One of the goofiest schemes that Microsoft has come up with in a
while. What on earth has happened?...these guys are nuts. Filling up my
computer with a whole bunch of useless backups which I didn't want or ask
for is just plain dumb.

I know, the MVPs will say...well if you don't like the patch, then
uninstall it. I say, if they are going to re-program OE or patch it, then
do it correctly, not with stupid easy routines that don't really correct
things but just mask them or give you an out if things go wrong.

In the meantime, put up with this BS, and for gawds sake don't
complain...as it will do no good.

Doug W.
-

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
...
Thanks Frank;

My only question would be a REAL concern about my procedure of compacting
every night. I do this as the last thing before closing down my system.
Does this mean I now have to reopen OE every night after compacting and
check every folder to see that messages are still intact, then go into the
recycle bin and empty it? That will mean I have to go back and open each
and every folder on the bar to see if it's showing messages, and even then
I won't know if they are ALL there.


No. As long as you do not interrupt the compacting process by shutting down
the machine before compacting finished you should be all right, especially
if you click File | Work Offline first.

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
http://www.fjsmjs.com
Answer in newsgroup. Don't send mail.

I also just had this happen. I came to the newsgroup to ask the same
question you did. Glad to see the answer even before I ask the question.

Ken A.


"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
...
Thanks. I had no idea what was going on :-)
DH


"Alias" wrote in message
...
Dudley Henriques wrote:
I compact folders each night manually in OE and have never had any
issues with this procedure. The folders compress and that's it.
Just tonight, OE started copying all the dbx files to the recycle bin as
I manually compress. They show up there with a BAK extension.
Can anyone shed any light on this for me. I don't think I've changed any
settings and this has never happened before.
If possible I need to know what's happening and why and how to correct
it if it's an issue please.
Thank you
Dudley Henriques

It's an update from Windows Update. Now, when you compact, OE sets the
count back to zero and backs up your messages and puts them in the
recycle bin. It's normal and about time they released it. I've had it for
months. If, after a reboot, your OE hasn't lost any messages, you can
delete the items in the recycle bin.

Alias