Is there any solution to this going offline before deleting our messages and
Sent/Deleted Items/then Compressing, and then emptying the Recycle Bin?

What on earth are we supposed to do with our daily emails being emptied out
of our Recycle Bins? They're accumulating on our hard drive, and taking up
space. Can we find them and...oh, hec, no, I realize that! This is
ridiculous. Who in MS thought up this doozie in the latest OE6 updates? I'm
no longer going to let MS automatically download updates to my computer.
Sheesh, this takes far too much of my time. I'm hearing the same hue and cry
from many other MS users, and now former ones, who have left IE and OE.

There is no way I'll trust Vista, now. I'll hold for a while longer with XP
Pro. But, why do we have to go to all of this trouble to clean up our
emails?
--
Worry doesn’t empty tomorrow of its sorrows. It empties today of it’s
strength.

its the compacting thingy.
to protect us from corrupting the data base during compacting MS in a recent update added in making a copy of the data base into the recycle bin.
why do you have to go OFFLINE.
is it your virus scanner causing problem causing this.








"Pappion" wrote in message ...
Is there any solution to this going offline before deleting our messages and
Sent/Deleted Items/then Compressing, and then emptying the Recycle Bin?

What on earth are we supposed to do with our daily emails being emptied out
of our Recycle Bins? They're accumulating on our hard drive, and taking up
space. Can we find them and...oh, hec, no, I realize that! This is
ridiculous. Who in MS thought up this doozie in the latest OE6 updates? I'm
no longer going to let MS automatically download updates to my computer.
Sheesh, this takes far too much of my time. I'm hearing the same hue and cry
from many other MS users, and now former ones, who have left IE and OE.

There is no way I'll trust Vista, now. I'll hold for a while longer with XP
Pro. But, why do we have to go to all of this trouble to clean up our
emails?
--
Worry doesn't empty tomorrow of its sorrows. It empties today of it's
strength.

...Who in MS thought up this doozie in the latest OE6 updates?

OE MVPs lobbied long & hard for (1) automatic compacting, (2) the removal of
automatic compacting in the background, (3) automatic backup during
compacting, and (4) a reset of the automatic compact count when user
compacted manually*. Here's why:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/...orruption.mspx

What on earth are we supposed to do with our daily emails being emptied
out
of our Recycle Bins?

Right-click on the Recycle Bin desktop icon Properties: See that "Maximum
size of Recycle Bin" Setting? If and when the total size of all the files
in the Recycle Bin exceed this limit, Windows will automatically delete
enough files so that the size of the folder is below the limit. The
deletion is done on a FIFO (First In, First Out) basis. So you really don't
need to empty the Recycle Manually if it's that much of a bother to you.

...why do we have to go to all of this trouble to clean up our
emails?

Which is more of a nuisance, a little extra maintenance or losing your
entire message store?

...I'm
no longer going to let MS automatically download updates to my computer.

If you choose to cut off your nose to spite your face, so be it, but that's
not a very wise or well-thought out move IMHO. Understand that MS06-076
(Cumulative Security Update for OE; 923694) addressed some security
vulnerabilities in OE and Windows, too.

* #1 & #2 were introduced in WinXP SP2 (Aug-04); #3 was introduced in the
optional 918766 (Apr-06) and later in MS06-076/923694 (Dec-06) which also
introduced #4
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User)


Pappion wrote:
Is there any solution to this going offline before deleting our messages
and
Sent/Deleted Items/then Compressing, and then emptying the Recycle Bin?

What on earth are we supposed to do with our daily emails being emptied
out
of our Recycle Bins? They're accumulating on our hard drive, and taking up
space. Can we find them and...oh, hec, no, I realize that! This is
ridiculous. Who in MS thought up this doozie in the latest OE6 updates?
I'm
no longer going to let MS automatically download updates to my computer.
Sheesh, this takes far too much of my time. I'm hearing the same hue and
cry
from many other MS users, and now former ones, who have left IE and OE.

There is no way I'll trust Vista, now. I'll hold for a while longer with
XP
Pro. But, why do we have to go to all of this trouble to clean up our
emails?

Let me explain--email can be "flat," and I obviously didn't express myself
sufficiently. Its a lot of operations now, to daily go offline, then empty
one's Sent, Deleted Items, and other emails not wanted (how do we get rid of
that number of NG posts??), then compress all folders, check to see if our
OE is unaffected, then go to the RB and deleted the replicated items, daily,
often 90% are the same threads, then go back online. Prior to this, I
deleted as necessary daily, then Compressed All Folders, but didn't have to
go offline, or check that my OE was intact, et al. That's all I mean...this
multiple operations thingy every day is suppressive--in addition to
maintaining one's computer security, etc. Sheesh. I hope you're
understanding me.

Thank you.
"PA Bear" wrote in message
...
...Who in MS thought up this doozie in the latest OE6 updates?

OE MVPs lobbied long & hard for (1) automatic compacting, (2) the removal
of automatic compacting in the background, (3) automatic backup during
compacting, and (4) a reset of the automatic compact count when user
compacted manually*. Here's why:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/...orruption.mspx

What on earth are we supposed to do with our daily emails being emptied
out
of our Recycle Bins?

Right-click on the Recycle Bin desktop icon Properties: See that
"Maximum size of Recycle Bin" Setting? If and when the total size of all
the files in the Recycle Bin exceed this limit, Windows will automatically
delete enough files so that the size of the folder is below the limit.
The deletion is done on a FIFO (First In, First Out) basis. So you really
don't need to empty the Recycle Manually if it's that much of a bother to
you.

...why do we have to go to all of this trouble to clean up our
emails?

Which is more of a nuisance, a little extra maintenance or losing your
entire message store?

...I'm
no longer going to let MS automatically download updates to my computer.

If you choose to cut off your nose to spite your face, so be it, but
that's not a very wise or well-thought out move IMHO. Understand that
MS06-076 (Cumulative Security Update for OE; 923694) addressed some
security vulnerabilities in OE and Windows, too.

* #1 & #2 were introduced in WinXP SP2 (Aug-04); #3 was introduced in the
optional 918766 (Apr-06) and later in MS06-076/923694 (Dec-06) which also
introduced #4
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User)


Pappion wrote:
Is there any solution to this going offline before deleting our messages
and
Sent/Deleted Items/then Compressing, and then emptying the Recycle Bin?

What on earth are we supposed to do with our daily emails being emptied
out
of our Recycle Bins? They're accumulating on our hard drive, and taking
up
space. Can we find them and...oh, hec, no, I realize that! This is
ridiculous. Who in MS thought up this doozie in the latest OE6 updates?
I'm
no longer going to let MS automatically download updates to my computer.
Sheesh, this takes far too much of my time. I'm hearing the same hue and
cry
from many other MS users, and now former ones, who have left IE and OE.

There is no way I'll trust Vista, now. I'll hold for a while longer with
XP
Pro. But, why do we have to go to all of this trouble to clean up our
emails?

All of this recommended maintenance depends on your use of OE. For intense
users like myself (hundreds of email messages received/sent every day,
scores of newsgroups accessed every day), I think it's best to address
everything (see below) daily. (All of it takes me perhaps a grand total of
3-4 minutes, including cleaning out Sent Items and Deleted Items, deleting
newsgroup posts older than X days, deleting contents of Recycle Bin, and
compacting all folders.)

For others, once-a-week may be sufficient.

how do we get rid of that number of NG posts?

Compose a Message Rule that deletes NG posts older than X days and run it
manually before compacting (e.g., "Where the message was sent more than X
days ago, Delete it.").

Message Rules Tips
http://www.insideoe.com/tips/rules.htm

General OE Caveats:

- Don't use Inbox or Sent Items to archive messages. Move them to local
folders created for this purpose.

- Empty Deleted Items folder daily.

- Disable Background Compacting [not available in SP2] and frequently
perform a manual compact of all OE folders while "working offline". More at
http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm

- WinXP SP2 only: Do not shut down your machine while Windows is
automatically compacting your message store.

- Your anti-virus application's email scanning feature can also cause
corruption. Disable it. It provides no additional protection.
--
~PA Bear

Pappion wrote:
Let me explain--email can be "flat," and I obviously didn't express myself
sufficiently. Its a lot of operations now, to daily go offline, then empty
one's Sent, Deleted Items, and other emails not wanted (how do we get rid
of
that number of NG posts??), then compress all folders, check to see if our
OE is unaffected, then go to the RB and deleted the replicated items,
daily,
often 90% are the same threads, then go back online. Prior to this, I
deleted as necessary daily, then Compressed All Folders, but didn't have
to
go offline, or check that my OE was intact, et al. That's all I
mean...this
multiple operations thingy every day is suppressive--in addition to
maintaining one's computer security, etc. Sheesh. I hope you're
understanding me.

Thank you.
"PA Bear" wrote in message
...
...Who in MS thought up this doozie in the latest OE6 updates?

OE MVPs lobbied long & hard for (1) automatic compacting, (2) the removal
of automatic compacting in the background, (3) automatic backup during
compacting, and (4) a reset of the automatic compact count when user
compacted manually*. Here's why:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/...orruption.mspx

What on earth are we supposed to do with our daily emails being emptied
out
of our Recycle Bins?

Right-click on the Recycle Bin desktop icon Properties: See that
"Maximum size of Recycle Bin" Setting? If and when the total size of all
the files in the Recycle Bin exceed this limit, Windows will
automatically
delete enough files so that the size of the folder is below the limit.
The deletion is done on a FIFO (First In, First Out) basis. So you
really
don't need to empty the Recycle Manually if it's that much of a bother to
you.

...why do we have to go to all of this trouble to clean up our
emails?

Which is more of a nuisance, a little extra maintenance or losing your
entire message store?

...I'm
no longer going to let MS automatically download updates to my computer.

If you choose to cut off your nose to spite your face, so be it, but
that's not a very wise or well-thought out move IMHO. Understand that
MS06-076 (Cumulative Security Update for OE; 923694) addressed some
security vulnerabilities in OE and Windows, too.

* #1 & #2 were introduced in WinXP SP2 (Aug-04); #3 was introduced in the
optional 918766 (Apr-06) and later in MS06-076/923694 (Dec-06) which also
introduced #4
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User)


Pappion wrote:
Is there any solution to this going offline before deleting our messages
and
Sent/Deleted Items/then Compressing, and then emptying the Recycle Bin?

What on earth are we supposed to do with our daily emails being emptied
out
of our Recycle Bins? They're accumulating on our hard drive, and taking
up
space. Can we find them and...oh, hec, no, I realize that! This is
ridiculous. Who in MS thought up this doozie in the latest OE6 updates?
I'm
no longer going to let MS automatically download updates to my computer.
Sheesh, this takes far too much of my time. I'm hearing the same hue and
cry
from many other MS users, and now former ones, who have left IE and OE.

There is no way I'll trust Vista, now. I'll hold for a while longer with
XP
Pro. But, why do we have to go to all of this trouble to clean up our
emails?

I do all of that...except for the NGs...thank you x2.
"PA Bear" wrote in message
...
All of this recommended maintenance depends on your use of OE. For intense
users like myself (hundreds of email messages received/sent every day,
scores of newsgroups accessed every day), I think it's best to address
everything (see below) daily. (All of it takes me perhaps a grand total
of 3-4 minutes, including cleaning out Sent Items and Deleted Items,
deleting newsgroup posts older than X days, deleting contents of Recycle
Bin, and compacting all folders.)

For others, once-a-week may be sufficient.

how do we get rid of that number of NG posts?

Compose a Message Rule that deletes NG posts older than X days and run it
manually before compacting (e.g., "Where the message was sent more than X
days ago, Delete it.").

Message Rules Tips
http://www.insideoe.com/tips/rules.htm

General OE Caveats:

- Don't use Inbox or Sent Items to archive messages. Move them to local
folders created for this purpose.

- Empty Deleted Items folder daily.

- Disable Background Compacting [not available in SP2] and frequently
perform a manual compact of all OE folders while "working offline". More
at http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm

- WinXP SP2 only: Do not shut down your machine while Windows is
automatically compacting your message store.

- Your anti-virus application's email scanning feature can also cause
corruption. Disable it. It provides no additional protection.
--
~PA Bear

Pappion wrote:
Let me explain--email can be "flat," and I obviously didn't express
myself
sufficiently. Its a lot of operations now, to daily go offline, then
empty
one's Sent, Deleted Items, and other emails not wanted (how do we get rid
of
that number of NG posts??), then compress all folders, check to see if
our
OE is unaffected, then go to the RB and deleted the replicated items,
daily,
often 90% are the same threads, then go back online. Prior to this, I
deleted as necessary daily, then Compressed All Folders, but didn't have
to
go offline, or check that my OE was intact, et al. That's all I
mean...this
multiple operations thingy every day is suppressive--in addition to
maintaining one's computer security, etc. Sheesh. I hope you're
understanding me.

Thank you.
"PA Bear" wrote in message
...
...Who in MS thought up this doozie in the latest OE6 updates?

OE MVPs lobbied long & hard for (1) automatic compacting, (2) the
removal
of automatic compacting in the background, (3) automatic backup during
compacting, and (4) a reset of the automatic compact count when user
compacted manually*. Here's why:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/...orruption.mspx

What on earth are we supposed to do with our daily emails being emptied
out
of our Recycle Bins?

Right-click on the Recycle Bin desktop icon Properties: See that
"Maximum size of Recycle Bin" Setting? If and when the total size of
all
the files in the Recycle Bin exceed this limit, Windows will
automatically
delete enough files so that the size of the folder is below the limit.
The deletion is done on a FIFO (First In, First Out) basis. So you
really
don't need to empty the Recycle Manually if it's that much of a bother
to
you.

...why do we have to go to all of this trouble to clean up our
emails?

Which is more of a nuisance, a little extra maintenance or losing your
entire message store?

...I'm
no longer going to let MS automatically download updates to my
computer.

If you choose to cut off your nose to spite your face, so be it, but
that's not a very wise or well-thought out move IMHO. Understand that
MS06-076 (Cumulative Security Update for OE; 923694) addressed some
security vulnerabilities in OE and Windows, too.

* #1 & #2 were introduced in WinXP SP2 (Aug-04); #3 was introduced in
the
optional 918766 (Apr-06) and later in MS06-076/923694 (Dec-06) which
also
introduced #4
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User)


Pappion wrote:
Is there any solution to this going offline before deleting our
messages
and
Sent/Deleted Items/then Compressing, and then emptying the Recycle Bin?

What on earth are we supposed to do with our daily emails being emptied
out
of our Recycle Bins? They're accumulating on our hard drive, and taking
up
space. Can we find them and...oh, hec, no, I realize that! This is
ridiculous. Who in MS thought up this doozie in the latest OE6 updates?
I'm
no longer going to let MS automatically download updates to my
computer.
Sheesh, this takes far too much of my time. I'm hearing the same hue
and
cry
from many other MS users, and now former ones, who have left IE and OE.

There is no way I'll trust Vista, now. I'll hold for a while longer
with
XP
Pro. But, why do we have to go to all of this trouble to clean up our
emails?

re General OE Caveats:
- Don't use Inbox or Sent Items to archive messages. Move them to local
folders created for this purpose.

Waaaaait a minute. I used to have all of my folders with archived emails
under Local Folders, but MS told me to put them under Inbox. My incoming
messages go directly to the sender's Folder, and I receive up to 100/day.
That way, I don't open email I'm not certain of its origin until I check
Preferences w/o opening it. But, this dichotomy is now confusing me. I
changed all of my Folders to be under my Inbox after the MS tech told me to
do that, on the phone.


"PA Bear" wrote in message
...
All of this recommended maintenance depends on your use of OE. For intense
users like myself (hundreds of email messages received/sent every day,
scores of newsgroups accessed every day), I think it's best to address
everything (see below) daily. (All of it takes me perhaps a grand total
of 3-4 minutes, including cleaning out Sent Items and Deleted Items,
deleting newsgroup posts older than X days, deleting contents of Recycle
Bin, and compacting all folders.)

For others, once-a-week may be sufficient.

how do we get rid of that number of NG posts?

Compose a Message Rule that deletes NG posts older than X days and run it
manually before compacting (e.g., "Where the message was sent more than X
days ago, Delete it.").

Message Rules Tips
http://www.insideoe.com/tips/rules.htm

General OE Caveats:

- Don't use Inbox or Sent Items to archive messages. Move them to local
folders created for this purpose.

- Empty Deleted Items folder daily.

- Disable Background Compacting [not available in SP2] and frequently
perform a manual compact of all OE folders while "working offline". More
at http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm

- WinXP SP2 only: Do not shut down your machine while Windows is
automatically compacting your message store.

- Your anti-virus application's email scanning feature can also cause
corruption. Disable it. It provides no additional protection.
--
~PA Bear

Pappion wrote:
Let me explain--email can be "flat," and I obviously didn't express
myself
sufficiently. Its a lot of operations now, to daily go offline, then
empty
one's Sent, Deleted Items, and other emails not wanted (how do we get rid
of
that number of NG posts??), then compress all folders, check to see if
our
OE is unaffected, then go to the RB and deleted the replicated items,
daily,
often 90% are the same threads, then go back online. Prior to this, I
deleted as necessary daily, then Compressed All Folders, but didn't have
to
go offline, or check that my OE was intact, et al. That's all I
mean...this
multiple operations thingy every day is suppressive--in addition to
maintaining one's computer security, etc. Sheesh. I hope you're
understanding me.

Thank you.
"PA Bear" wrote in message
...
...Who in MS thought up this doozie in the latest OE6 updates?

OE MVPs lobbied long & hard for (1) automatic compacting, (2) the
removal
of automatic compacting in the background, (3) automatic backup during
compacting, and (4) a reset of the automatic compact count when user
compacted manually*. Here's why:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/...orruption.mspx

What on earth are we supposed to do with our daily emails being emptied
out
of our Recycle Bins?

Right-click on the Recycle Bin desktop icon Properties: See that
"Maximum size of Recycle Bin" Setting? If and when the total size of
all
the files in the Recycle Bin exceed this limit, Windows will
automatically
delete enough files so that the size of the folder is below the limit.
The deletion is done on a FIFO (First In, First Out) basis. So you
really
don't need to empty the Recycle Manually if it's that much of a bother
to
you.

...why do we have to go to all of this trouble to clean up our
emails?

Which is more of a nuisance, a little extra maintenance or losing your
entire message store?

...I'm
no longer going to let MS automatically download updates to my
computer.

If you choose to cut off your nose to spite your face, so be it, but
that's not a very wise or well-thought out move IMHO. Understand that
MS06-076 (Cumulative Security Update for OE; 923694) addressed some
security vulnerabilities in OE and Windows, too.

* #1 & #2 were introduced in WinXP SP2 (Aug-04); #3 was introduced in
the
optional 918766 (Apr-06) and later in MS06-076/923694 (Dec-06) which
also
introduced #4
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User)


Pappion wrote:
Is there any solution to this going offline before deleting our
messages
and
Sent/Deleted Items/then Compressing, and then emptying the Recycle Bin?

What on earth are we supposed to do with our daily emails being emptied
out
of our Recycle Bins? They're accumulating on our hard drive, and taking
up
space. Can we find them and...oh, hec, no, I realize that! This is
ridiculous. Who in MS thought up this doozie in the latest OE6 updates?
I'm
no longer going to let MS automatically download updates to my
computer.
Sheesh, this takes far too much of my time. I'm hearing the same hue
and
cry
from many other MS users, and now former ones, who have left IE and OE.

There is no way I'll trust Vista, now. I'll hold for a while longer
with
XP
Pro. But, why do we have to go to all of this trouble to clean up our
emails?

It doesn't matter whether the folders you create are under Local Folders
or under the Inbox. That's all smoke and mirrors anyway. Each OE
"folder" is actually a separate .dbx file. The apparant structure is
derived from the data in folders.dbx. It's the size of the individual
files that matters, so put them anywhere you like. The MS tech was wrong.
(I believe that may have happened once before.)


Pappion wrote:
re General OE Caveats:
- Don't use Inbox or Sent Items to archive messages. Move them to local
folders created for this purpose.

Waaaaait a minute. I used to have all of my folders with archived emails
under Local Folders, but MS told me to put them under Inbox. My incoming
messages go directly to the sender's Folder, and I receive up to 100/day.
That way, I don't open email I'm not certain of its origin until I check
Preferences w/o opening it. But, this dichotomy is now confusing me. I
changed all of my Folders to be under my Inbox after the MS tech told me to
do that, on the phone.


"PA Bear" wrote in message
...
All of this recommended maintenance depends on your use of OE. For intense
users like myself (hundreds of email messages received/sent every day,
scores of newsgroups accessed every day), I think it's best to address
everything (see below) daily. (All of it takes me perhaps a grand total
of 3-4 minutes, including cleaning out Sent Items and Deleted Items,
deleting newsgroup posts older than X days, deleting contents of Recycle
Bin, and compacting all folders.)

For others, once-a-week may be sufficient.

how do we get rid of that number of NG posts?

Compose a Message Rule that deletes NG posts older than X days and run it
manually before compacting (e.g., "Where the message was sent more than X
days ago, Delete it.").

Message Rules Tips
http://www.insideoe.com/tips/rules.htm

General OE Caveats:

- Don't use Inbox or Sent Items to archive messages. Move them to local
folders created for this purpose.

- Empty Deleted Items folder daily.

- Disable Background Compacting [not available in SP2] and frequently
perform a manual compact of all OE folders while "working offline". More
at http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm

- WinXP SP2 only: Do not shut down your machine while Windows is
automatically compacting your message store.

- Your anti-virus application's email scanning feature can also cause
corruption. Disable it. It provides no additional protection.
--
~PA Bear

Pappion wrote:
Let me explain--email can be "flat," and I obviously didn't express
myself
sufficiently. Its a lot of operations now, to daily go offline, then
empty
one's Sent, Deleted Items, and other emails not wanted (how do we get rid
of
that number of NG posts??), then compress all folders, check to see if
our
OE is unaffected, then go to the RB and deleted the replicated items,
daily,
often 90% are the same threads, then go back online. Prior to this, I
deleted as necessary daily, then Compressed All Folders, but didn't have
to
go offline, or check that my OE was intact, et al. That's all I
mean...this
multiple operations thingy every day is suppressive--in addition to
maintaining one's computer security, etc. Sheesh. I hope you're
understanding me.

Thank you.
"PA Bear" wrote in message
...
...Who in MS thought up this doozie in the latest OE6 updates?

OE MVPs lobbied long & hard for (1) automatic compacting, (2) the
removal
of automatic compacting in the background, (3) automatic backup during
compacting, and (4) a reset of the automatic compact count when user
compacted manually*. Here's why:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/...orruption.mspx

What on earth are we supposed to do with our daily emails being emptied
out
of our Recycle Bins?

Right-click on the Recycle Bin desktop icon Properties: See that
"Maximum size of Recycle Bin" Setting? If and when the total size of
all
the files in the Recycle Bin exceed this limit, Windows will
automatically
delete enough files so that the size of the folder is below the limit.
The deletion is done on a FIFO (First In, First Out) basis. So you
really
don't need to empty the Recycle Manually if it's that much of a bother
to
you.

...why do we have to go to all of this trouble to clean up our
emails?

Which is more of a nuisance, a little extra maintenance or losing your
entire message store?

...I'm
no longer going to let MS automatically download updates to my
computer.

If you choose to cut off your nose to spite your face, so be it, but
that's not a very wise or well-thought out move IMHO. Understand that
MS06-076 (Cumulative Security Update for OE; 923694) addressed some
security vulnerabilities in OE and Windows, too.

* #1 & #2 were introduced in WinXP SP2 (Aug-04); #3 was introduced in
the
optional 918766 (Apr-06) and later in MS06-076/923694 (Dec-06) which
also
introduced #4
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User)


Pappion wrote:
Is there any solution to this going offline before deleting our
messages
and
Sent/Deleted Items/then Compressing, and then emptying the Recycle Bin?

What on earth are we supposed to do with our daily emails being emptied
out
of our Recycle Bins? They're accumulating on our hard drive, and taking
up
space. Can we find them and...oh, hec, no, I realize that! This is
ridiculous. Who in MS thought up this doozie in the latest OE6 updates?
I'm
no longer going to let MS automatically download updates to my
computer.
Sheesh, this takes far too much of my time. I'm hearing the same hue
and
cry
from many other MS users, and now former ones, who have left IE and OE.

There is no way I'll trust Vista, now. I'll hold for a while longer
with
XP
Pro. But, why do we have to go to all of this trouble to clean up our
emails?




--
Gary L. Smith
Columbus, Ohio

It makes no difference where you have the added folders "nested." Each
folder you create has its own individual DBX file in the Message Store
folder. There is no real dichotomy, it's just a little "misunderstanding."
--
Jim Pickering, MVP/Windows Mail applications
Please reply ONLY to newsgroup.


"Pappion" wrote in message
...
re General OE Caveats:
- Don't use Inbox or Sent Items to archive messages. Move them to local
folders created for this purpose.

Waaaaait a minute. I used to have all of my folders with archived emails
under Local Folders, but MS told me to put them under Inbox. My incoming
messages go directly to the sender's Folder, and I receive up to 100/day.
That way, I don't open email I'm not certain of its origin until I check
Preferences w/o opening it. But, this dichotomy is now confusing me. I
changed all of my Folders to be under my Inbox after the MS tech told me
to do that, on the phone.


"PA Bear" wrote in message
...
All of this recommended maintenance depends on your use of OE. For
intense users like myself (hundreds of email messages received/sent every
day, scores of newsgroups accessed every day), I think it's best to
address everything (see below) daily. (All of it takes me perhaps a
grand total of 3-4 minutes, including cleaning out Sent Items and Deleted
Items, deleting newsgroup posts older than X days, deleting contents of
Recycle Bin, and compacting all folders.)

For others, once-a-week may be sufficient.

how do we get rid of that number of NG posts?

Compose a Message Rule that deletes NG posts older than X days and run it
manually before compacting (e.g., "Where the message was sent more than X
days ago, Delete it.").

Message Rules Tips
http://www.insideoe.com/tips/rules.htm

General OE Caveats:

- Don't use Inbox or Sent Items to archive messages. Move them to local
folders created for this purpose.

- Empty Deleted Items folder daily.

- Disable Background Compacting [not available in SP2] and frequently
perform a manual compact of all OE folders while "working offline". More
at http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm

- WinXP SP2 only: Do not shut down your machine while Windows is
automatically compacting your message store.

- Your anti-virus application's email scanning feature can also cause
corruption. Disable it. It provides no additional protection.
--
~PA Bear

Pappion wrote:
Let me explain--email can be "flat," and I obviously didn't express
myself
sufficiently. Its a lot of operations now, to daily go offline, then
empty
one's Sent, Deleted Items, and other emails not wanted (how do we get
rid of
that number of NG posts??), then compress all folders, check to see if
our
OE is unaffected, then go to the RB and deleted the replicated items,
daily,
often 90% are the same threads, then go back online. Prior to this, I
deleted as necessary daily, then Compressed All Folders, but didn't have
to
go offline, or check that my OE was intact, et al. That's all I
mean...this
multiple operations thingy every day is suppressive--in addition to
maintaining one's computer security, etc. Sheesh. I hope you're
understanding me.

Thank you.
"PA Bear" wrote in message
...
...Who in MS thought up this doozie in the latest OE6 updates?

OE MVPs lobbied long & hard for (1) automatic compacting, (2) the
removal
of automatic compacting in the background, (3) automatic backup during
compacting, and (4) a reset of the automatic compact count when user
compacted manually*. Here's why:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/...orruption.mspx

What on earth are we supposed to do with our daily emails being
emptied
out
of our Recycle Bins?

Right-click on the Recycle Bin desktop icon Properties: See that
"Maximum size of Recycle Bin" Setting? If and when the total size of
all
the files in the Recycle Bin exceed this limit, Windows will
automatically
delete enough files so that the size of the folder is below the limit.
The deletion is done on a FIFO (First In, First Out) basis. So you
really
don't need to empty the Recycle Manually if it's that much of a bother
to
you.

...why do we have to go to all of this trouble to clean up our
emails?

Which is more of a nuisance, a little extra maintenance or losing your
entire message store?

...I'm
no longer going to let MS automatically download updates to my
computer.

If you choose to cut off your nose to spite your face, so be it, but
that's not a very wise or well-thought out move IMHO. Understand that
MS06-076 (Cumulative Security Update for OE; 923694) addressed some
security vulnerabilities in OE and Windows, too.

* #1 & #2 were introduced in WinXP SP2 (Aug-04); #3 was introduced in
the
optional 918766 (Apr-06) and later in MS06-076/923694 (Dec-06) which
also
introduced #4
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User)


Pappion wrote:
Is there any solution to this going offline before deleting our
messages
and
Sent/Deleted Items/then Compressing, and then emptying the Recycle
Bin?

What on earth are we supposed to do with our daily emails being
emptied
out
of our Recycle Bins? They're accumulating on our hard drive, and
taking
up
space. Can we find them and...oh, hec, no, I realize that! This is
ridiculous. Who in MS thought up this doozie in the latest OE6
updates?
I'm
no longer going to let MS automatically download updates to my
computer.
Sheesh, this takes far too much of my time. I'm hearing the same hue
and
cry
from many other MS users, and now former ones, who have left IE and
OE.

There is no way I'll trust Vista, now. I'll hold for a while longer
with
XP
Pro. But, why do we have to go to all of this trouble to clean up our
emails?