Thanks for your help. I'm getting there.

I don't have the msoe.dll patch. How do I get it? I went into windows
update and they can't find it by the number.

Also,. I do not have a program that automatically cleans out the Recycle
Bin.

What do you mean by using my delete file as a garbage pail? Are you telling
me top clean it out more often?

If I use the OEQB, does it overwrite the info that I had in it previously?

Thanks agin. You've been a big help.

"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Did you read the Help for OEQB? Did you create the requires folder?
http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/oeqb.htm

In OE | Help | About......., scroll down to msoe.dll. Are your numbers
600.2900.3028? If not, then you're not fully patched and won't find BAK
folders.

Do you have any program that automatically empties the Recycle Bin?
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Bobm0001" wrote in message
...
Thanks for your advice. I assume I'm fully patched. I have my computer
set
to automatically update, yet I can't find BAK files in the Recycle Bin.
Also, wshen I try to use OE Quick Backup, I keep getting a message "Please
select a backup folder before proceding further." I'm embarassed to say I
don't know how to do this.

"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Why are you keeping messages in a garbage pail? (Deleted Items).

Why does OE insist on compacting folders when I close it?:
http://www.insideoe.com/faqs/why.htm#compact

Compacting your folders periodically is a must to keep OE functioning
well
and at some point, you may lose all your saved messages if you don't.
When
you delete, or move messages, the space they had used remains until you
compact.

See:
www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2

With SP2, automatic background compacting was removed due to problems it
caused. Now you will get a prompt to compact after 100 OE closings, which
you should do, and don't touch anything until it has finished. See this
for
more information:
http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm#compact

If you are fully patched, you will also now see a copy of your dbx files
being copied to the Recycle Bin as BAK files. Should something go awry
when
compacting, the messages can easily be restored from this backup. A
manual
compact will also reset the counter in the registry back to zero now.

For more info, see the information outlined in red he
www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2

To keep things running smooth, and for faster compacting:

Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually become
corrupt and you may lose mail. Create your own user defined folders for
storing mail and move your mail to them. Empty Deleted Items folder
regularly. Keep user created folders under 100MB, and Default folders as
empty as is feasible.

And backup often.

Backup and Resto

http://www.insideoutlookexpress.com/backup/

http://www.oehelp.com/backup.aspx

http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/Default.aspx
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Bobm0001" wrote in message
...
About every four or five times I follow the compact messages
directions, I
lose 1-6 months of messages in either the deleted or send file. Each
time,
I swear I'll never compact messages again, but OE wears me down by
forcing
me
to reject the compacting.

Can I retreive the lost messages? How do I backup the messages so I
don't
lose them permanently?

Open OE | Help | About. In the box, scroll down to msoe.dll and post the
numbers you see there.

What do you mean by using my delete file as a garbage pail? Are you
telling
me top clean it out more often?

Yes. As I said befo

General precautions for Outlook Express:

Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually become
corrupt. Create your own user defined folders for storing mail and move your
mail to them. Empty Deleted Items folder regularly. Keep user created
folders under 100MB, and Default folders as empty as is feasible.

After you are done, follow up by compacting your folders manually while
working *offline* and do it often.

Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so no folders are
open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click Working Online in the
Status Bar). File | Folder | Compact all folders. Don't touch anything until
the compacting is completed.

If I use the OEQB, does it overwrite the info that I had in it previously?

You can set it to overwrite, or not.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Bobm0001" wrote in message
...
Thanks for your help. I'm getting there.

I don't have the msoe.dll patch. How do I get it? I went into windows
update and they can't find it by the number.

Also,. I do not have a program that automatically cleans out the Recycle
Bin.

What do you mean by using my delete file as a garbage pail? Are you
telling
me top clean it out more often?

If I use the OEQB, does it overwrite the info that I had in it previously?

Thanks agin. You've been a big help.

"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Did you read the Help for OEQB? Did you create the requires folder?
http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/oeqb.htm

In OE | Help | About......., scroll down to msoe.dll. Are your numbers
600.2900.3028? If not, then you're not fully patched and won't find BAK
folders.

Do you have any program that automatically empties the Recycle Bin?
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Bobm0001" wrote in message
...
Thanks for your advice. I assume I'm fully patched. I have my
computer
set
to automatically update, yet I can't find BAK files in the Recycle Bin.
Also, wshen I try to use OE Quick Backup, I keep getting a message
"Please
select a backup folder before proceding further." I'm embarassed to
say I
don't know how to do this.

"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Why are you keeping messages in a garbage pail? (Deleted Items).

Why does OE insist on compacting folders when I close it?:
http://www.insideoe.com/faqs/why.htm#compact

Compacting your folders periodically is a must to keep OE functioning
well
and at some point, you may lose all your saved messages if you don't.
When
you delete, or move messages, the space they had used remains until
you
compact.

See:
www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2

With SP2, automatic background compacting was removed due to problems
it
caused. Now you will get a prompt to compact after 100 OE closings,
which
you should do, and don't touch anything until it has finished. See
this
for
more information:
http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm#compact

If you are fully patched, you will also now see a copy of your dbx
files
being copied to the Recycle Bin as BAK files. Should something go awry
when
compacting, the messages can easily be restored from this backup. A
manual
compact will also reset the counter in the registry back to zero now.

For more info, see the information outlined in red he
www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2

To keep things running smooth, and for faster compacting:

Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually become
corrupt and you may lose mail. Create your own user defined folders
for
storing mail and move your mail to them. Empty Deleted Items folder
regularly. Keep user created folders under 100MB, and Default folders
as
empty as is feasible.

And backup often.

Backup and Resto

http://www.insideoutlookexpress.com/backup/

http://www.oehelp.com/backup.aspx

http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/Default.aspx
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Bobm0001" wrote in message
...
About every four or five times I follow the compact messages
directions, I
lose 1-6 months of messages in either the deleted or send file.
Each
time,
I swear I'll never compact messages again, but OE wears me down by
forcing
me
to reject the compacting.

Can I retreive the lost messages? How do I backup the messages so I
don't
lose them permanently?

msoe.dll 600 2900 2869

"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Open OE | Help | About. In the box, scroll down to msoe.dll and post the
numbers you see there.

What do you mean by using my delete file as a garbage pail? Are you
telling
me top clean it out more often?

Yes. As I said befo

General precautions for Outlook Express:

Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually become
corrupt. Create your own user defined folders for storing mail and move your
mail to them. Empty Deleted Items folder regularly. Keep user created
folders under 100MB, and Default folders as empty as is feasible.

After you are done, follow up by compacting your folders manually while
working *offline* and do it often.

Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so no folders are
open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click Working Online in the
Status Bar). File | Folder | Compact all folders. Don't touch anything until
the compacting is completed.

If I use the OEQB, does it overwrite the info that I had in it previously?

You can set it to overwrite, or not.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Bobm0001" wrote in message
...
Thanks for your help. I'm getting there.

I don't have the msoe.dll patch. How do I get it? I went into windows
update and they can't find it by the number.

Also,. I do not have a program that automatically cleans out the Recycle
Bin.

What do you mean by using my delete file as a garbage pail? Are you
telling
me top clean it out more often?

If I use the OEQB, does it overwrite the info that I had in it previously?

Thanks agin. You've been a big help.

"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Did you read the Help for OEQB? Did you create the requires folder?
http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/oeqb.htm

In OE | Help | About......., scroll down to msoe.dll. Are your numbers
600.2900.3028? If not, then you're not fully patched and won't find BAK
folders.

Do you have any program that automatically empties the Recycle Bin?
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Bobm0001" wrote in message
...
Thanks for your advice. I assume I'm fully patched. I have my
computer
set
to automatically update, yet I can't find BAK files in the Recycle Bin.
Also, wshen I try to use OE Quick Backup, I keep getting a message
"Please
select a backup folder before proceding further." I'm embarassed to
say I
don't know how to do this.

"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Why are you keeping messages in a garbage pail? (Deleted Items).

Why does OE insist on compacting folders when I close it?:
http://www.insideoe.com/faqs/why.htm#compact

Compacting your folders periodically is a must to keep OE functioning
well
and at some point, you may lose all your saved messages if you don't.
When
you delete, or move messages, the space they had used remains until
you
compact.

See:
www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2

With SP2, automatic background compacting was removed due to problems
it
caused. Now you will get a prompt to compact after 100 OE closings,
which
you should do, and don't touch anything until it has finished. See
this
for
more information:
http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm#compact

If you are fully patched, you will also now see a copy of your dbx
files
being copied to the Recycle Bin as BAK files. Should something go awry
when
compacting, the messages can easily be restored from this backup. A
manual
compact will also reset the counter in the registry back to zero now.

For more info, see the information outlined in red he
www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2

To keep things running smooth, and for faster compacting:

Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually become
corrupt and you may lose mail. Create your own user defined folders
for
storing mail and move your mail to them. Empty Deleted Items folder
regularly. Keep user created folders under 100MB, and Default folders
as
empty as is feasible.

And backup often.

Backup and Resto

http://www.insideoutlookexpress.com/backup/

http://www.oehelp.com/backup.aspx

http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/Default.aspx
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Bobm0001" wrote in message
...
About every four or five times I follow the compact messages
directions, I
lose 1-6 months of messages in either the deleted or send file.
Each
time,
I swear I'll never compact messages again, but OE wears me down by
forcing
me
to reject the compacting.

Can I retreive the lost messages? How do I backup the messages so I
don't
lose them permanently?

Go to Windows Updates. You are missing at least two that directly affect OE.
This is why you don't have the BAK files in your Recycle Bin when you
compact. Don't rely on Automatic Updates to download everything.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Bobm0001" wrote in message
...
msoe.dll 600 2900 2869

"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Open OE | Help | About. In the box, scroll down to msoe.dll and post the
numbers you see there.

What do you mean by using my delete file as a garbage pail? Are you
telling
me top clean it out more often?

Yes. As I said befo

General precautions for Outlook Express:

Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually become
corrupt. Create your own user defined folders for storing mail and move
your
mail to them. Empty Deleted Items folder regularly. Keep user created
folders under 100MB, and Default folders as empty as is feasible.

After you are done, follow up by compacting your folders manually while
working *offline* and do it often.

Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so no folders are
open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click Working Online in the
Status Bar). File | Folder | Compact all folders. Don't touch anything
until
the compacting is completed.

If I use the OEQB, does it overwrite the info that I had in it
previously?

You can set it to overwrite, or not.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Bobm0001" wrote in message
...
Thanks for your help. I'm getting there.

I don't have the msoe.dll patch. How do I get it? I went into windows
update and they can't find it by the number.

Also,. I do not have a program that automatically cleans out the
Recycle
Bin.

What do you mean by using my delete file as a garbage pail? Are you
telling
me top clean it out more often?

If I use the OEQB, does it overwrite the info that I had in it
previously?

Thanks agin. You've been a big help.

"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Did you read the Help for OEQB? Did you create the requires folder?
http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/oeqb.htm

In OE | Help | About......., scroll down to msoe.dll. Are your numbers
600.2900.3028? If not, then you're not fully patched and won't find
BAK
folders.

Do you have any program that automatically empties the Recycle Bin?
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Bobm0001" wrote in message
...
Thanks for your advice. I assume I'm fully patched. I have my
computer
set
to automatically update, yet I can't find BAK files in the Recycle
Bin.
Also, wshen I try to use OE Quick Backup, I keep getting a message
"Please
select a backup folder before proceding further." I'm embarassed to
say I
don't know how to do this.

"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Why are you keeping messages in a garbage pail? (Deleted Items).

Why does OE insist on compacting folders when I close it?:
http://www.insideoe.com/faqs/why.htm#compact

Compacting your folders periodically is a must to keep OE
functioning
well
and at some point, you may lose all your saved messages if you
don't.
When
you delete, or move messages, the space they had used remains until
you
compact.

See:
www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2

With SP2, automatic background compacting was removed due to
problems
it
caused. Now you will get a prompt to compact after 100 OE closings,
which
you should do, and don't touch anything until it has finished. See
this
for
more information:
http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm#compact

If you are fully patched, you will also now see a copy of your dbx
files
being copied to the Recycle Bin as BAK files. Should something go
awry
when
compacting, the messages can easily be restored from this backup. A
manual
compact will also reset the counter in the registry back to zero
now.

For more info, see the information outlined in red he
www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2

To keep things running smooth, and for faster compacting:

Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually
become
corrupt and you may lose mail. Create your own user defined folders
for
storing mail and move your mail to them. Empty Deleted Items folder
regularly. Keep user created folders under 100MB, and Default
folders
as
empty as is feasible.

And backup often.

Backup and Resto

http://www.insideoutlookexpress.com/backup/

http://www.oehelp.com/backup.aspx

http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/Default.aspx
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Bobm0001" wrote in message
...
About every four or five times I follow the compact messages
directions, I
lose 1-6 months of messages in either the deleted or send file.
Each
time,
I swear I'll never compact messages again, but OE wears me down
by
forcing
me
to reject the compacting.

Can I retreive the lost messages? How do I backup the messages
so I
don't
lose them permanently?

Automatic Updates /should/ have downloaded the Cumulative Updates for OE
that he's missing.

@Bob: Install *all* critical updates offerd by Windows Update, then make
certain Automatic Updates is enabled and working properly (see its status as
reported by Security Center).

How to configure and use Automatic Updates in WinXP:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=306525

How to schedule automatic updates in WinXP, Win2K and Win2K03
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=327838
--
~PA Bear

Bruce Hagen wrote:
Go to Windows Updates. You are missing at least two that directly affect
OE.
This is why you don't have the BAK files in your Recycle Bin when you
compact. Don't rely on Automatic Updates to download everything.

"Bobm0001" wrote in message
...
msoe.dll 600 2900 2869

"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Open OE | Help | About. In the box, scroll down to msoe.dll and post the
numbers you see there.

What do you mean by using my delete file as a garbage pail? Are you
telling
me top clean it out more often?

Yes. As I said befo

General precautions for Outlook Express:

Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually become
corrupt. Create your own user defined folders for storing mail and move
your
mail to them. Empty Deleted Items folder regularly. Keep user created
folders under 100MB, and Default folders as empty as is feasible.

After you are done, follow up by compacting your folders manually while
working *offline* and do it often.

Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so no folders are
open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click Working Online in the
Status Bar). File | Folder | Compact all folders. Don't touch anything
until
the compacting is completed.

If I use the OEQB, does it overwrite the info that I had in it
previously?

You can set it to overwrite, or not.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Bobm0001" wrote in message
...
Thanks for your help. I'm getting there.

I don't have the msoe.dll patch. How do I get it? I went into windows
update and they can't find it by the number.

Also,. I do not have a program that automatically cleans out the
Recycle
Bin.

What do you mean by using my delete file as a garbage pail? Are you
telling
me top clean it out more often?

If I use the OEQB, does it overwrite the info that I had in it
previously?

Thanks agin. You've been a big help.

"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Did you read the Help for OEQB? Did you create the requires folder?
http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/oeqb.htm

In OE | Help | About......., scroll down to msoe.dll. Are your numbers
600.2900.3028? If not, then you're not fully patched and won't find
BAK
folders.

Do you have any program that automatically empties the Recycle Bin?
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Bobm0001" wrote in message
...
Thanks for your advice. I assume I'm fully patched. I have my
computer
set
to automatically update, yet I can't find BAK files in the Recycle
Bin.
Also, wshen I try to use OE Quick Backup, I keep getting a message
"Please
select a backup folder before proceding further." I'm embarassed to
say I
don't know how to do this.

"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Why are you keeping messages in a garbage pail? (Deleted Items).

Why does OE insist on compacting folders when I close it?:
http://www.insideoe.com/faqs/why.htm#compact

Compacting your folders periodically is a must to keep OE
functioning
well
and at some point, you may lose all your saved messages if you
don't.
When
you delete, or move messages, the space they had used remains until
you
compact.

See:
www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2

With SP2, automatic background compacting was removed due to
problems
it
caused. Now you will get a prompt to compact after 100 OE closings,
which
you should do, and don't touch anything until it has finished. See
this
for
more information:
http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm#compact

If you are fully patched, you will also now see a copy of your dbx
files
being copied to the Recycle Bin as BAK files. Should something go
awry
when
compacting, the messages can easily be restored from this backup. A
manual
compact will also reset the counter in the registry back to zero
now.

For more info, see the information outlined in red he
www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2

To keep things running smooth, and for faster compacting:

Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually
become
corrupt and you may lose mail. Create your own user defined folders
for
storing mail and move your mail to them. Empty Deleted Items folder
regularly. Keep user created folders under 100MB, and Default
folders
as
empty as is feasible.

And backup often.

Backup and Resto

http://www.insideoutlookexpress.com/backup/

http://www.oehelp.com/backup.aspx

http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/Default.aspx
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Bobm0001" wrote in message
...
About every four or five times I follow the compact messages
directions, I
lose 1-6 months of messages in either the deleted or send file.
Each
time,
I swear I'll never compact messages again, but OE wears me down
by
forcing
me
to reject the compacting.

Can I retreive the lost messages? How do I backup the messages
so I
don't
lose them permanently?

I have a one question, and a couple of comments con-
cerning the fix that started that recycle bin "redundancy".

As I recall, prior to my update some time ago, I had
actually read about the update, and had to seek it out
by name/number. Windows update had never offered
that fix during any of my frequent update sessions.

Additionally, I can only claim coincidence here, but
sometime after that update my disk cleanup no longer
would include recycle bin even though selected. The
disk cleanup I'm describing is the Windows Explorer
propertiesdisk cleanup procedure. Prior to that .bak
update, the cleanup would empty the recycle bin. After
the .bak update, the recycle bin is left intact. That's ok,
though, as it kinda' makes sense because this could
destroy the .bak retentions.

Lastly, only as a point of curiosity, I've seen a few refer-
ences from Bruce Hagen where he'll describe that a
poster may/will be missing some important service.
The way the comments are phrased, combined with
the thread history, seems to indicate that the poster's
header contains information that can be used to identify
the OE service level. Have I misunderstood?


Thanks,


Gary



"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
...
Go to Windows Updates. You are missing at least two that directly affect
OE. This is why you don't have the BAK files in your Recycle Bin when you
compact. Don't rely on Automatic Updates to download everything.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Bobm0001" wrote in message
...
msoe.dll 600 2900 2869

"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Open OE | Help | About. In the box, scroll down to msoe.dll and post the
numbers you see there.

What do you mean by using my delete file as a garbage pail? Are you
telling
me top clean it out more often?

Yes. As I said befo

General precautions for Outlook Express:

Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually become
corrupt. Create your own user defined folders for storing mail and move
your
mail to them. Empty Deleted Items folder regularly. Keep user created
folders under 100MB, and Default folders as empty as is feasible.

After you are done, follow up by compacting your folders manually while
working *offline* and do it often.

Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so no folders are
open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click Working Online in the
Status Bar). File | Folder | Compact all folders. Don't touch anything
until
the compacting is completed.

If I use the OEQB, does it overwrite the info that I had in it
previously?

You can set it to overwrite, or not.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Bobm0001" wrote in message
...
Thanks for your help. I'm getting there.

I don't have the msoe.dll patch. How do I get it? I went into
windows
update and they can't find it by the number.

Also,. I do not have a program that automatically cleans out the
Recycle
Bin.

What do you mean by using my delete file as a garbage pail? Are you
telling
me top clean it out more often?

If I use the OEQB, does it overwrite the info that I had in it
previously?

Thanks agin. You've been a big help.

"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Did you read the Help for OEQB? Did you create the requires folder?
http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/oeqb.htm

In OE | Help | About......., scroll down to msoe.dll. Are your
numbers
600.2900.3028? If not, then you're not fully patched and won't find
BAK
folders.

Do you have any program that automatically empties the Recycle Bin?
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Bobm0001" wrote in message
...
Thanks for your advice. I assume I'm fully patched. I have my
computer
set
to automatically update, yet I can't find BAK files in the Recycle
Bin.
Also, wshen I try to use OE Quick Backup, I keep getting a message
"Please
select a backup folder before proceding further." I'm embarassed
to
say I
don't know how to do this.

"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Why are you keeping messages in a garbage pail? (Deleted Items).

Why does OE insist on compacting folders when I close it?:
http://www.insideoe.com/faqs/why.htm#compact

Compacting your folders periodically is a must to keep OE
functioning
well
and at some point, you may lose all your saved messages if you
don't.
When
you delete, or move messages, the space they had used remains
until
you
compact.

See:
www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2

With SP2, automatic background compacting was removed due to
problems
it
caused. Now you will get a prompt to compact after 100 OE
closings,
which
you should do, and don't touch anything until it has finished. See
this
for
more information:
http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm#compact

If you are fully patched, you will also now see a copy of your dbx
files
being copied to the Recycle Bin as BAK files. Should something go
awry
when
compacting, the messages can easily be restored from this backup.
A
manual
compact will also reset the counter in the registry back to zero
now.

For more info, see the information outlined in red he
www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2

To keep things running smooth, and for faster compacting:

Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually
become
corrupt and you may lose mail. Create your own user defined
folders
for
storing mail and move your mail to them. Empty Deleted Items
folder
regularly. Keep user created folders under 100MB, and Default
folders
as
empty as is feasible.

And backup often.

Backup and Resto

http://www.insideoutlookexpress.com/backup/

http://www.oehelp.com/backup.aspx

http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/Default.aspx
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Bobm0001" wrote in message
...
About every four or five times I follow the compact messages
directions, I
lose 1-6 months of messages in either the deleted or send file.
Each
time,
I swear I'll never compact messages again, but OE wears me down
by
forcing
me
to reject the compacting.

Can I retreive the lost messages? How do I backup the messages
so I
don't
lose them permanently?

Thanks again to all of you. This has been very helpful.

"Gary Walker" wrote:



I have a one question, and a couple of comments con-
cerning the fix that started that recycle bin "redundancy".

As I recall, prior to my update some time ago, I had
actually read about the update, and had to seek it out
by name/number. Windows update had never offered
that fix during any of my frequent update sessions.

Additionally, I can only claim coincidence here, but
sometime after that update my disk cleanup no longer
would include recycle bin even though selected. The
disk cleanup I'm describing is the Windows Explorer
propertiesdisk cleanup procedure. Prior to that .bak
update, the cleanup would empty the recycle bin. After
the .bak update, the recycle bin is left intact. That's ok,
though, as it kinda' makes sense because this could
destroy the .bak retentions.

Lastly, only as a point of curiosity, I've seen a few refer-
ences from Bruce Hagen where he'll describe that a
poster may/will be missing some important service.
The way the comments are phrased, combined with
the thread history, seems to indicate that the poster's
header contains information that can be used to identify
the OE service level. Have I misunderstood?


Thanks,


Gary



"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
...
Go to Windows Updates. You are missing at least two that directly affect
OE. This is why you don't have the BAK files in your Recycle Bin when you
compact. Don't rely on Automatic Updates to download everything.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Bobm0001" wrote in message
...
msoe.dll 600 2900 2869

"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Open OE | Help | About. In the box, scroll down to msoe.dll and post the
numbers you see there.

What do you mean by using my delete file as a garbage pail? Are you
telling
me top clean it out more often?

Yes. As I said befo

General precautions for Outlook Express:

Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually become
corrupt. Create your own user defined folders for storing mail and move
your
mail to them. Empty Deleted Items folder regularly. Keep user created
folders under 100MB, and Default folders as empty as is feasible.

After you are done, follow up by compacting your folders manually while
working *offline* and do it often.

Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so no folders are
open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click Working Online in the
Status Bar). File | Folder | Compact all folders. Don't touch anything
until
the compacting is completed.

If I use the OEQB, does it overwrite the info that I had in it
previously?

You can set it to overwrite, or not.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Bobm0001" wrote in message
...
Thanks for your help. I'm getting there.

I don't have the msoe.dll patch. How do I get it? I went into
windows
update and they can't find it by the number.

Also,. I do not have a program that automatically cleans out the
Recycle
Bin.

What do you mean by using my delete file as a garbage pail? Are you
telling
me top clean it out more often?

If I use the OEQB, does it overwrite the info that I had in it
previously?

Thanks agin. You've been a big help.

"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Did you read the Help for OEQB? Did you create the requires folder?
http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/oeqb.htm

In OE | Help | About......., scroll down to msoe.dll. Are your
numbers
600.2900.3028? If not, then you're not fully patched and won't find
BAK
folders.

Do you have any program that automatically empties the Recycle Bin?
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Bobm0001" wrote in message
...
Thanks for your advice. I assume I'm fully patched. I have my
computer
set
to automatically update, yet I can't find BAK files in the Recycle
Bin.
Also, wshen I try to use OE Quick Backup, I keep getting a message
"Please
select a backup folder before proceding further." I'm embarassed
to
say I
don't know how to do this.

"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Why are you keeping messages in a garbage pail? (Deleted Items).

Why does OE insist on compacting folders when I close it?:
http://www.insideoe.com/faqs/why.htm#compact

Compacting your folders periodically is a must to keep OE
functioning
well
and at some point, you may lose all your saved messages if you
don't.
When
you delete, or move messages, the space they had used remains
until
you
compact.

See:
www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2

With SP2, automatic background compacting was removed due to
problems
it
caused. Now you will get a prompt to compact after 100 OE
closings,
which
you should do, and don't touch anything until it has finished. See
this
for
more information:
http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm#compact

If you are fully patched, you will also now see a copy of your dbx
files
being copied to the Recycle Bin as BAK files. Should something go
awry
when
compacting, the messages can easily be restored from this backup.
A
manual
compact will also reset the counter in the registry back to zero
now.

For more info, see the information outlined in red he
www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2

To keep things running smooth, and for faster compacting:

Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually
become
corrupt and you may lose mail. Create your own user defined
folders
for
storing mail and move your mail to them. Empty Deleted Items
folder
regularly. Keep user created folders under 100MB, and Default
folders
as
empty as is feasible.

And backup often.

Backup and Resto

http://www.insideoutlookexpress.com/backup/

http://www.oehelp.com/backup.aspx

http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/Default.aspx
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Bobm0001" wrote in message
...
About every four or five times I follow the compact messages
directions, I
lose 1-6 months of messages in either the deleted or send file.
Each
time,
I swear I'll never compact messages again, but OE wears me down
by
forcing
me
to reject the compacting.

Can I retreive the lost messages? How do I backup the messages
so I
don't
lose them permanently?

Your message headers show a fully patched version of OE in XP/SP2:

X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028

If you were missing the last OE patch out, your headers would be:

X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2905
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2905

So, ii you post using MSNews, we can usually tell.

The update was available prior to being offered at Windows Updates, but
anyone that didn't get it has it now if they are fully patched.

As fat as emptying the RB, I have never used that procedure, so I can't say.
I use CCleaner.

CCleaner:
http://www.ccleaner.com/
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Gary Walker" wrote in message
t...


I have a one question, and a couple of comments con-
cerning the fix that started that recycle bin "redundancy".

As I recall, prior to my update some time ago, I had
actually read about the update, and had to seek it out
by name/number. Windows update had never offered
that fix during any of my frequent update sessions.

Additionally, I can only claim coincidence here, but
sometime after that update my disk cleanup no longer
would include recycle bin even though selected. The
disk cleanup I'm describing is the Windows Explorer
propertiesdisk cleanup procedure. Prior to that .bak
update, the cleanup would empty the recycle bin. After
the .bak update, the recycle bin is left intact. That's ok,
though, as it kinda' makes sense because this could
destroy the .bak retentions.

Lastly, only as a point of curiosity, I've seen a few refer-
ences from Bruce Hagen where he'll describe that a
poster may/will be missing some important service.
The way the comments are phrased, combined with
the thread history, seems to indicate that the poster's
header contains information that can be used to identify
the OE service level. Have I misunderstood?


Thanks,


Gary



"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
...
Go to Windows Updates. You are missing at least two that directly affect
OE. This is why you don't have the BAK files in your Recycle Bin when you
compact. Don't rely on Automatic Updates to download everything.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Bobm0001" wrote in message
...
msoe.dll 600 2900 2869

"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Open OE | Help | About. In the box, scroll down to msoe.dll and post
the
numbers you see there.

What do you mean by using my delete file as a garbage pail? Are you
telling
me top clean it out more often?

Yes. As I said befo

General precautions for Outlook Express:

Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually become
corrupt. Create your own user defined folders for storing mail and move
your
mail to them. Empty Deleted Items folder regularly. Keep user created
folders under 100MB, and Default folders as empty as is feasible.

After you are done, follow up by compacting your folders manually while
working *offline* and do it often.

Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so no folders
are
open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click Working Online in the
Status Bar). File | Folder | Compact all folders. Don't touch anything
until
the compacting is completed.

If I use the OEQB, does it overwrite the info that I had in it
previously?

You can set it to overwrite, or not.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Bobm0001" wrote in message
...
Thanks for your help. I'm getting there.

I don't have the msoe.dll patch. How do I get it? I went into
windows
update and they can't find it by the number.

Also,. I do not have a program that automatically cleans out the
Recycle
Bin.

What do you mean by using my delete file as a garbage pail? Are you
telling
me top clean it out more often?

If I use the OEQB, does it overwrite the info that I had in it
previously?

Thanks agin. You've been a big help.

"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Did you read the Help for OEQB? Did you create the requires folder?
http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/oeqb.htm

In OE | Help | About......., scroll down to msoe.dll. Are your
numbers
600.2900.3028? If not, then you're not fully patched and won't find
BAK
folders.

Do you have any program that automatically empties the Recycle Bin?
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Bobm0001" wrote in message
...
Thanks for your advice. I assume I'm fully patched. I have my
computer
set
to automatically update, yet I can't find BAK files in the Recycle
Bin.
Also, wshen I try to use OE Quick Backup, I keep getting a message
"Please
select a backup folder before proceding further." I'm embarassed
to
say I
don't know how to do this.

"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Why are you keeping messages in a garbage pail? (Deleted Items).

Why does OE insist on compacting folders when I close it?:
http://www.insideoe.com/faqs/why.htm#compact

Compacting your folders periodically is a must to keep OE
functioning
well
and at some point, you may lose all your saved messages if you
don't.
When
you delete, or move messages, the space they had used remains
until
you
compact.

See:
www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2

With SP2, automatic background compacting was removed due to
problems
it
caused. Now you will get a prompt to compact after 100 OE
closings,
which
you should do, and don't touch anything until it has finished.
See
this
for
more information:
http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm#compact

If you are fully patched, you will also now see a copy of your
dbx
files
being copied to the Recycle Bin as BAK files. Should something go
awry
when
compacting, the messages can easily be restored from this backup.
A
manual
compact will also reset the counter in the registry back to zero
now.

For more info, see the information outlined in red he
www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2

To keep things running smooth, and for faster compacting:

Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually
become
corrupt and you may lose mail. Create your own user defined
folders
for
storing mail and move your mail to them. Empty Deleted Items
folder
regularly. Keep user created folders under 100MB, and Default
folders
as
empty as is feasible.

And backup often.

Backup and Resto

http://www.insideoutlookexpress.com/backup/

http://www.oehelp.com/backup.aspx

http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/Default.aspx
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Bobm0001" wrote in message
...
About every four or five times I follow the compact messages
directions, I
lose 1-6 months of messages in either the deleted or send file.
Each
time,
I swear I'll never compact messages again, but OE wears me down
by
forcing
me
to reject the compacting.

Can I retreive the lost messages? How do I backup the messages
so I
don't
lose them permanently?

Thanks again, for more information.


Gary




"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
...
Your message headers show a fully patched version of OE in XP/SP2:

X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028

If you were missing the last OE patch out, your headers would be:

X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2905
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2905

So, ii you post using MSNews, we can usually tell.

The update was available prior to being offered at Windows Updates, but
anyone that didn't get it has it now if they are fully patched.

As fat as emptying the RB, I have never used that procedure, so I can't
say. I use CCleaner.

CCleaner:
http://www.ccleaner.com/
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Gary Walker" wrote in message
t...


I have a one question, and a couple of comments con-
cerning the fix that started that recycle bin "redundancy".

As I recall, prior to my update some time ago, I had
actually read about the update, and had to seek it out
by name/number. Windows update had never offered
that fix during any of my frequent update sessions.

Additionally, I can only claim coincidence here, but
sometime after that update my disk cleanup no longer
would include recycle bin even though selected. The
disk cleanup I'm describing is the Windows Explorer
propertiesdisk cleanup procedure. Prior to that .bak
update, the cleanup would empty the recycle bin. After
the .bak update, the recycle bin is left intact. That's ok,
though, as it kinda' makes sense because this could
destroy the .bak retentions.

Lastly, only as a point of curiosity, I've seen a few refer-
ences from Bruce Hagen where he'll describe that a
poster may/will be missing some important service.
The way the comments are phrased, combined with
the thread history, seems to indicate that the poster's
header contains information that can be used to identify
the OE service level. Have I misunderstood?


Thanks,


Gary



"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
...
Go to Windows Updates. You are missing at least two that directly affect
OE. This is why you don't have the BAK files in your Recycle Bin when
you compact. Don't rely on Automatic Updates to download everything.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Bobm0001" wrote in message
...
msoe.dll 600 2900 2869

"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Open OE | Help | About. In the box, scroll down to msoe.dll and post
the
numbers you see there.

What do you mean by using my delete file as a garbage pail? Are you
telling
me top clean it out more often?

Yes. As I said befo

General precautions for Outlook Express:

Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually become
corrupt. Create your own user defined folders for storing mail and
move your
mail to them. Empty Deleted Items folder regularly. Keep user created
folders under 100MB, and Default folders as empty as is feasible.

After you are done, follow up by compacting your folders manually
while
working *offline* and do it often.

Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so no folders
are
open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click Working Online in the
Status Bar). File | Folder | Compact all folders. Don't touch anything
until
the compacting is completed.

If I use the OEQB, does it overwrite the info that I had in it
previously?

You can set it to overwrite, or not.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Bobm0001" wrote in message
...
Thanks for your help. I'm getting there.

I don't have the msoe.dll patch. How do I get it? I went into
windows
update and they can't find it by the number.

Also,. I do not have a program that automatically cleans out the
Recycle
Bin.

What do you mean by using my delete file as a garbage pail? Are you
telling
me top clean it out more often?

If I use the OEQB, does it overwrite the info that I had in it
previously?

Thanks agin. You've been a big help.

"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Did you read the Help for OEQB? Did you create the requires folder?
http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/oeqb.htm

In OE | Help | About......., scroll down to msoe.dll. Are your
numbers
600.2900.3028? If not, then you're not fully patched and won't find
BAK
folders.

Do you have any program that automatically empties the Recycle Bin?
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Bobm0001" wrote in message
...
Thanks for your advice. I assume I'm fully patched. I have my
computer
set
to automatically update, yet I can't find BAK files in the
Recycle Bin.
Also, wshen I try to use OE Quick Backup, I keep getting a
message
"Please
select a backup folder before proceding further." I'm embarassed
to
say I
don't know how to do this.

"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Why are you keeping messages in a garbage pail? (Deleted Items).

Why does OE insist on compacting folders when I close it?:
http://www.insideoe.com/faqs/why.htm#compact

Compacting your folders periodically is a must to keep OE
functioning
well
and at some point, you may lose all your saved messages if you
don't.
When
you delete, or move messages, the space they had used remains
until
you
compact.

See:
www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2

With SP2, automatic background compacting was removed due to
problems
it
caused. Now you will get a prompt to compact after 100 OE
closings,
which
you should do, and don't touch anything until it has finished.
See
this
for
more information:
http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm#compact

If you are fully patched, you will also now see a copy of your
dbx
files
being copied to the Recycle Bin as BAK files. Should something
go awry
when
compacting, the messages can easily be restored from this
backup. A
manual
compact will also reset the counter in the registry back to zero
now.

For more info, see the information outlined in red he
www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2

To keep things running smooth, and for faster compacting:

Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually
become
corrupt and you may lose mail. Create your own user defined
folders
for
storing mail and move your mail to them. Empty Deleted Items
folder
regularly. Keep user created folders under 100MB, and Default
folders
as
empty as is feasible.

And backup often.

Backup and Resto

http://www.insideoutlookexpress.com/backup/

http://www.oehelp.com/backup.aspx

http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/Default.aspx
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Bobm0001" wrote in message
...
About every four or five times I follow the compact messages
directions, I
lose 1-6 months of messages in either the deleted or send
file.
Each
time,
I swear I'll never compact messages again, but OE wears me
down by
forcing
me
to reject the compacting.

Can I retreive the lost messages? How do I backup the
messages so I
don't
lose them permanently?

Installing MS06-076 (KB923964) would not have affected the behavior of Disk
Cleanup, Gary.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User)
AumHa VSOP & Admin; DTS-L.org

Gary Walker wrote:
I have a one question, and a couple of comments con-
cerning the fix that started that recycle bin "redundancy".

As I recall, prior to my update some time ago, I had
actually read about the update, and had to seek it out
by name/number. Windows update had never offered
that fix during any of my frequent update sessions.

Additionally, I can only claim coincidence here, but
sometime after that update my disk cleanup no longer
would include recycle bin even though selected. The
disk cleanup I'm describing is the Windows Explorer
propertiesdisk cleanup procedure. Prior to that .bak
update, the cleanup would empty the recycle bin. After
the .bak update, the recycle bin is left intact. That's ok,
though, as it kinda' makes sense because this could
destroy the .bak retentions.

Lastly, only as a point of curiosity, I've seen a few refer-
ences from Bruce Hagen where he'll describe that a
poster may/will be missing some important service.
The way the comments are phrased, combined with
the thread history, seems to indicate that the poster's
header contains information that can be used to identify
the OE service level. Have I misunderstood?


Thanks,


Gary



"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
...
Go to Windows Updates. You are missing at least two that directly affect
OE. This is why you don't have the BAK files in your Recycle Bin when you
compact. Don't rely on Automatic Updates to download everything.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Bobm0001" wrote in message
...
msoe.dll 600 2900 2869

"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Open OE | Help | About. In the box, scroll down to msoe.dll and post
the
numbers you see there.

What do you mean by using my delete file as a garbage pail? Are you
telling
me top clean it out more often?

Yes. As I said befo

General precautions for Outlook Express:

Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually become
corrupt. Create your own user defined folders for storing mail and move
your
mail to them. Empty Deleted Items folder regularly. Keep user created
folders under 100MB, and Default folders as empty as is feasible.

After you are done, follow up by compacting your folders manually while
working *offline* and do it often.

Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so no folders
are
open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click Working Online in the
Status Bar). File | Folder | Compact all folders. Don't touch anything
until
the compacting is completed.

If I use the OEQB, does it overwrite the info that I had in it
previously?

You can set it to overwrite, or not.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Bobm0001" wrote in message
...
Thanks for your help. I'm getting there.

I don't have the msoe.dll patch. How do I get it? I went into
windows
update and they can't find it by the number.

Also,. I do not have a program that automatically cleans out the
Recycle
Bin.

What do you mean by using my delete file as a garbage pail? Are you
telling
me top clean it out more often?

If I use the OEQB, does it overwrite the info that I had in it
previously?

Thanks agin. You've been a big help.

"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Did you read the Help for OEQB? Did you create the requires folder?
http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/oeqb.htm

In OE | Help | About......., scroll down to msoe.dll. Are your
numbers
600.2900.3028? If not, then you're not fully patched and won't find
BAK
folders.

Do you have any program that automatically empties the Recycle Bin?
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Bobm0001" wrote in message
...
Thanks for your advice. I assume I'm fully patched. I have my
computer
set
to automatically update, yet I can't find BAK files in the Recycle
Bin.
Also, wshen I try to use OE Quick Backup, I keep getting a message
"Please
select a backup folder before proceding further." I'm embarassed
to
say I
don't know how to do this.

"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Why are you keeping messages in a garbage pail? (Deleted Items).

Why does OE insist on compacting folders when I close it?:
http://www.insideoe.com/faqs/why.htm#compact

Compacting your folders periodically is a must to keep OE
functioning
well
and at some point, you may lose all your saved messages if you
don't.
When
you delete, or move messages, the space they had used remains
until
you
compact.

See:
www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2

With SP2, automatic background compacting was removed due to
problems
it
caused. Now you will get a prompt to compact after 100 OE
closings,
which
you should do, and don't touch anything until it has finished. See
this
for
more information:
http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm#compact

If you are fully patched, you will also now see a copy of your dbx
files
being copied to the Recycle Bin as BAK files. Should something go
awry
when
compacting, the messages can easily be restored from this backup.
A
manual
compact will also reset the counter in the registry back to zero
now.

For more info, see the information outlined in red he
www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2

To keep things running smooth, and for faster compacting:

Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually
become
corrupt and you may lose mail. Create your own user defined
folders
for
storing mail and move your mail to them. Empty Deleted Items
folder
regularly. Keep user created folders under 100MB, and Default
folders
as
empty as is feasible.

And backup often.

Backup and Resto

http://www.insideoutlookexpress.com/backup/

http://www.oehelp.com/backup.aspx

http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/Default.aspx
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Bobm0001" wrote in message
...
About every four or five times I follow the compact messages
directions, I
lose 1-6 months of messages in either the deleted or send file.
Each
time,
I swear I'll never compact messages again, but OE wears me down
by
forcing
me
to reject the compacting.

Can I retreive the lost messages? How do I backup the messages
so I
don't
lose them permanently?