When OE 7 is created, message rules have to work better.

Delete from server would be a great rule if it worked!

My ISP is finally adding the ability to block email addresses on their
webmail server.

OE 7 should create a "server" so when the rule is created, message is
deleted from server.

A firewall in front of the Inbox . Message shouldn't be read at all, if
Delete from Server rule was created. It shouldn't be in the Deleted Items
folder either. Deleted before reaching the Inbox like it was never received.



New Message rule about sending letters.

Some people respond to fraud emails they get. So when a letter is created
FROM.... and its going to a spammer or marketer address, that rule should be
Delete from Server after its been sent. It doesn't go anywhere at all.

Some people aren't acting responsible responding to letters they shouldn't
be. I'm trying to protect an older person, responding to almost anything
received.

That's how fee scammers get their victims.

That's how a firewall in OE itself could work and help the message rules
function properly.

OE7 should have a firewall server folder where email is collected before it
reaches the Inbox

Does that make sense?

There will never be an OE7. On Vista, the replacement is Windows Mail.

But the product that Microsoft is moving forward with as their preferred
free e-mail client is Windows Live Mail which is currently in beta
testing.

As for the problem you are experiencing, Delete from server works fine
in OE, IF you understand the limitations.

- The Actions "Delete from Server" and "Do Not Download" can only test
information in the message header (FROM, TO, CC, SUBJECT, message size).
If you test text in the message body or "has attachment", the message
must be download first for this test, negating the action. Also, these
must be the first rules in your list, or a preceding one may cause the
message to download. (Warning: "Do Not Download" should be a temporary
rule. If you just leave messages on the server, eventually your server
mail account will fill and you'll not receive any new mail.)


--

Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm


"GMrks" wrote in message
...
When OE 7 is created, message rules have to work better.

Delete from server would be a great rule if it worked!

My ISP is finally adding the ability to block email addresses on their
webmail server.

OE 7 should create a "server" so when the rule is created, message is
deleted from server.

A firewall in front of the Inbox . Message shouldn't be read at all,
if
Delete from Server rule was created. It shouldn't be in the Deleted
Items
folder either. Deleted before reaching the Inbox like it was never
received.



New Message rule about sending letters.

Some people respond to fraud emails they get. So when a letter is
created
FROM.... and its going to a spammer or marketer address, that rule
should be
Delete from Server after its been sent. It doesn't go anywhere at
all.

Some people aren't acting responsible responding to letters they
shouldn't
be. I'm trying to protect an older person, responding to almost
anything
received.

That's how fee scammers get their victims.

That's how a firewall in OE itself could work and help the message
rules
function properly.

OE7 should have a firewall server folder where email is collected
before it
reaches the Inbox

Does that make sense?

There never will be an OE7, so don't hold your breath. Firewalls are
primarily for your Internet connections, and not e-mail. Message rules work,
if they are set up correctly. All that aside, if you never post your real
e-mail address except for your friends and trusted sites, (your bill
paying, your bank, etc.), you will never get spam.

I have an e-mail address that I have used for over four yeas. I have yet to
get any spam. If I want to order something online, or similar, I use another
address. My throwaway one. My ISP allows up to seven addresses at no extra
charge.

Enter your address at Lending tree, or Priceline.com and wait a week or two.
You will be bombarded. Please review the following for what you can do with
message rules. Filtering in may be your best option.

How to set up OE Message Rules:
http://www.oeupdates.com/outlook-exp...lock-spam.html

http://www.timeatlas.com/mos/Email/O...tlook_Express/

http://www.jackieswebworks.com/outlo...ss%20notes.htm

Some Message Rule Ideas:
http://www.mindspring.com/~majik/messagerules.htm

Some tips:
http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/tips/rules.htm

Controlling Junk Mail in Outlook Express:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/.../junkmail.mspx

Message Rules not working?:
http://www.tomsterdam.com/insideoe/faqs/why.htm#rules
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA


"GMrks" wrote in message
...
When OE 7 is created, message rules have to work better.

Delete from server would be a great rule if it worked!

My ISP is finally adding the ability to block email addresses on their
webmail server.

OE 7 should create a "server" so when the rule is created, message is
deleted from server.

A firewall in front of the Inbox . Message shouldn't be read at all, if
Delete from Server rule was created. It shouldn't be in the Deleted Items
folder either. Deleted before reaching the Inbox like it was never
received.



New Message rule about sending letters.

Some people respond to fraud emails they get. So when a letter is
created
FROM.... and its going to a spammer or marketer address, that rule should
be
Delete from Server after its been sent. It doesn't go anywhere at all.

Some people aren't acting responsible responding to letters they shouldn't
be. I'm trying to protect an older person, responding to almost anything
received.

That's how fee scammers get their victims.

That's how a firewall in OE itself could work and help the message rules
function properly.

OE7 should have a firewall server folder where email is collected before
it
reaches the Inbox

Does that make sense?

My ISP allows 7 email addresses and family has them all. But protecting one
older member who is responding to spam and Undisclosed-recipients mail, is a
little harder. Beyond changing the email address, its using OE mail rules.

Shouldn't have to change email address because of spam. They should be
blocked properly.

I personally don't get a lot of spam. I have different emails addresses
from a variety of providers and use OE6 to get email from them all without
going to those websites.

I haven't been to hotmail in years, but continue to get the email through
OE. Windows Live Mail now, I haven't been to that website since it
relaunched.


It might be a long time before I'm upgrading to Vista. I'll continue to
use a variety of email addresses so something must take place of OE.

My family members will use only one email address. Other family and
business contacts would have to be change of email address. I'd rather
protect them from spam much as possible first.


I've followed some of those links provided before setting up message rules.
But some spam keeps coming in to my family member.

The "firewall" term was just a description of the email process I hope for.

Mail enters a file, processed, then allowed into my Inbox. OE could have a
process works that way. I want the Delete from Server rule to mean something
stronger.

OE should have a Mail Server folder where the mail collects before it
reaches the Inbox. If the rule says Delete from Server. Email would never
enter the Inbox and instantly deleted.

Whatever future Microsoft mail program, people are going to have a variety
of different email providers. OE works to retrieve email from different
providers.


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

There never will be an OE7, so don't hold your breath. Firewalls are
primarily for your Internet connections, and not e-mail. Message rules work,
if they are set up correctly. All that aside, if you never post your real
e-mail address except for your friends and trusted sites, (your bill
paying, your bank, etc.), you will never get spam.

I have an e-mail address that I have used for over four yeas. I have yet to
get any spam. If I want to order something online, or similar, I use another
address. My throwaway one. My ISP allows up to seven addresses at no extra
charge.

Enter your address at Lending tree, or Priceline.com and wait a week or two.
You will be bombarded. Please review the following for what you can do with
message rules. Filtering in may be your best option.

Why does Delete it from server not work for you? Note that spammers
constantly change there already munged address, so filtering on that is
useless.

If you filter in your mail, you will get no spam. This is not appropriate
for everyone's situation though.

I would filter in the mail. Start with the Address Book only rule and as you
get messages you want from people not in your Address Book, (E-mail from
businesses, bills, your ISP, etc.), you can add them to the rule.

Tools | Options | Message Rules | Mail | New.

Box 1 - Where the From line contains people {check it}

Box 2 - Check: Delete it & Stop processing more rules if you want messages
not in the Address Book to go to Deleted Items, or you can create a Junk
folder and direct them there.

You can choose Delete it from server, but be careful as you will never have
any messages downloaded to any folder if you choose this option.

Box 3 - Click on the blue words Contains People

Click on the first address to highlight it. Scroll down to the end and hold
down the Ctrl key while you click on the last address. This will highlight
them all. Right click on them and click on From in the menu that appears.

Now click Options and Choose: Message *does not contain* the people below in
the top Options box, and choose: Message matches any one of the people below
in the bottom Options box.

OK your way out of the new rule.

Now, only addresses you entered will be downloaded to your Inbox. You will
not see any other e-mail.

Don't forget, if you add someone to your Address Book, you will have to add
them to the rule. It will not be added automatically.

Also:

In general:

Have all rules that divert mail to folders first.

Delete it from server next.

All others last.

Make sure that every rule also has Stop processing more rules checked,
unless that option is grayed out.


Good luck in your quest against spam. I wish it was easy.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA


"GMrks" wrote in message
...
My ISP allows 7 email addresses and family has them all. But protecting
one
older member who is responding to spam and Undisclosed-recipients mail, is
a
little harder. Beyond changing the email address, its using OE mail
rules.

Shouldn't have to change email address because of spam. They should be
blocked properly.

I personally don't get a lot of spam. I have different emails addresses
from a variety of providers and use OE6 to get email from them all
without
going to those websites.

I haven't been to hotmail in years, but continue to get the email through
OE. Windows Live Mail now, I haven't been to that website since it
relaunched.


It might be a long time before I'm upgrading to Vista. I'll continue to
use a variety of email addresses so something must take place of OE.

My family members will use only one email address. Other family and
business contacts would have to be change of email address. I'd rather
protect them from spam much as possible first.


I've followed some of those links provided before setting up message
rules.
But some spam keeps coming in to my family member.

The "firewall" term was just a description of the email process I hope
for.

Mail enters a file, processed, then allowed into my Inbox. OE could have
a
process works that way. I want the Delete from Server rule to mean
something
stronger.

OE should have a Mail Server folder where the mail collects before it
reaches the Inbox. If the rule says Delete from Server. Email would never
enter the Inbox and instantly deleted.

Whatever future Microsoft mail program, people are going to have a variety
of different email providers. OE works to retrieve email from different
providers.


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

There never will be an OE7, so don't hold your breath. Firewalls are
primarily for your Internet connections, and not e-mail. Message rules
work,
if they are set up correctly. All that aside, if you never post your real
e-mail address except for your friends and trusted sites, (your bill
paying, your bank, etc.), you will never get spam.

I have an e-mail address that I have used for over four yeas. I have yet
to
get any spam. If I want to order something online, or similar, I use
another
address. My throwaway one. My ISP allows up to seven addresses at no
extra
charge.

Enter your address at Lending tree, or Priceline.com and wait a week or
two.
You will be bombarded. Please review the following for what you can do
with
message rules. Filtering in may be your best option.

"GMrks" schreef in bericht
...
When OE 7 is created, message rules have to work better.

Delete from server would be a great rule if it worked!

My ISP is finally adding the ability to block email addresses on their
webmail server.

OE 7 should create a "server" so when the rule is created, message is
deleted from server.

A firewall in front of the Inbox . Message shouldn't be read at all, if
Delete from Server rule was created. It shouldn't be in the Deleted Items
folder either. Deleted before reaching the Inbox like it was never
received.



New Message rule about sending letters.

Some people respond to fraud emails they get. So when a letter is
created
FROM.... and its going to a spammer or marketer address, that rule should
be
Delete from Server after its been sent. It doesn't go anywhere at all.

Some people aren't acting responsible responding to letters they shouldn't
be. I'm trying to protect an older person, responding to almost anything
received.

That's how fee scammers get their victims.

That's how a firewall in OE itself could work and help the message rules
function properly.

OE7 should have a firewall server folder where email is collected before
it
reaches the Inbox

Does that make sense?

"GMrks" wrote in message
...
When OE 7 is created, message rules have to work better.

snip

There will never be a version of Outlook Express after 6. The Windows
Mail e-mail client shows up in Windows Vista. It is going to be
replaced with the Windows Live Mail e-mail client which is currently
in beta status (go read up on it in the
microsoft.public.windows.live.desktop newsgroup although the "desktop"
has been deleted from the last version).

"GMrks" wrote in message
...

When OE 7 is created, message rules have to work better. Delete
from server would be a great rule if it worked!

It does work. YOU are not using it correctly. If ANY rule before it
requires downloading the message to test your conditions then
obviously it is too late to delete from server. If the rules prior to
the one with "delete from server" only test on the headers then the
e-mail has not been yanked from the mail server. If the e-mail client
only has to retrieve the headers, it can just send the "TOP 0" command
(get headers and zero lines from body). The e-mail client does not
follow the TOP command with a DELE command (to remove the item after
downloading it, which is the default behavior). However, if any rule
tests on strings within the *body* of the e-mail, well, then you told
the rule to go yank the entire message so the rule would have the body
to do its testing. That means the e-mail client sends a RETR command
(and usually follows with a DELE command). The RETR command retrieves
the entire message. That means headers and body got yanked. Well,
now it is too late to delete from server because YOU already told the
rule to download the entire message. Since the e-mail client will, by
default, follow with the DELE command after a RETR command, it does so
and the message vaporizes on the mail server - but you still got the
e-mail that you told the rule to go download in its entirety. How is
a rule that tests within the body of an e-mail going to do any
interrogation unless it actually downloads the whole e-mail?

If you have any rules with "delete from server" then they must be
placed in the rules list BEFORE any rules that test on anything within
the body of those e-mails. You need to test solely on headers (to do
the TOP command) to eliminate the normal RETR/DELE sequence.

My ISP is finally adding the ability to block email addresses on
their webmail server.

So? Those are server-side rules. Now your e-mail provider has
included a blacklist feature. Presumably they also have a whitelist
feature. They might also let you define other server-side rules.
Those rules are enacted by THEIR mail server. Your e-mail *client*
can't do anything regarding creation, modification, or deletion of
server-side rules (unless you use Exchange as the mail server but then
you need to use Outlook, not OE).

OE 7 should create a "server" so when the rule is created,
message is deleted from server.

Huh? Did you review your post before submitting it? OE is an e-mail
*client*, not a mail server host.

A firewall in front of the Inbox . Message shouldn't be read at
all, if Delete from Server rule was created. It shouldn't be in
the Deleted Items folder either. Deleted before reaching the
Inbox like it was never received.

What does a firewall have to do with rules defined within your e-mail
client or rules defined up on your mail server? The software firewall
that you use can control who can connect into your host (providing you
have a process listening on a port) and maybe control what
applications can get network connections. For what you use for a
firewall, it does absolutely nothing to regulate the content of the
network traffic for those permitted connections.

It is YOUR choice as to what action, from those provided, to select
for the server-side rule that you defined. Most webmail providers, if
not all, do not let you permanently delete any e-mails based on a rule
or white/blacklist. They only let you delete those messages which
puts them in the Trash folder. However, that is a SERVER-SIDE folder
that is only defined within the webmail interface to your account.
Your "mailbox", as far as POP3 is concerned, is *only* your Inbox.
That is the only folder shown in your webmail account from which a
POP3 e-mail client can yank messages. POP3 only knows about a
mailbox: one place where all mails are stored. It has no clue about
whatever folders you defined up on the mail server in your webmail
interface to your account. There is no "folder" command in POP3 to
select from which webmail folder to retrieve e-mails. POP3 has only
the concept of a mailbox, the one place where all your incoming
e-mails get saved. In webmail accounts, this is the Inbox folder.