"mae" wrote in message
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He doesn't have a free Hotmail account so it doesn't apply to him.
He has a Msn paid account.
Hotmail has always been web based.
Msn hasn't dropped the PoP3 for the older Msn accounts.
It started Web Dav in Feb 2000.

Thanks for the update and the switchover date. So, to summarize, is the
following correct?

Hotmail becomes available in July 1996.

Microsoft buys Hotmail around December 1997.

On MSN, POP3 access is discontinued after February 2000 and switches to
WebDAV access. MSN "legacy" accounts created before that date continue to
get POP3 access. Accounts created after that date only get WebDAV access.

For Hotmail, POP3 access is discontinued after July 2002 and switches to
WebDAV access.

For Hotmail, Microsoft changes policy in November 2004 to disable WebDAV
access for *new* free Hotmail accounts created after that date. Old
accounts created before that policy change date continue to get WebDAV
access.

Okay, but it seems odd that MSN would've switched from POP3 to WebDAV access
before Hotmail switched. I suppose Microsoft used MSN to test out WebDAV
before foisting it on their Hotmail users. When did MSN push their users
from the MSN mail service to the Hotmail service?

Interesting discussion but all of this history doesn't help the OP get POP3
access to a *new* MSN or Hotmail since it's all WebDAV now (or webmail-only
for free accounts).

yes my acopunt is msn.com

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Carl G
"Vanguard" wrote in message
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"mae" wrote in message
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Hotmail only stopped retrieving mail from your POP3 accounts for free
users.
It never stopped and continues to function for paid accounts.


Hotmail doesn't use POP3 at all. It uses WebDAV. Even paid accounts use
WebDAV.

If your free Hotmail account was created before 29-Nov-2004, it got
grandfathered in so you could continue to use Outlook [Express] to connect
to the WebDAV-enabled mail hosts to send and receive.

If your free Hotmail account was created after 29-Nov-2004, WebDAV access
is disabled so you are stuck using Microsoft's webmail interface. You
cannot use POP3 (to receive) or SMTP (to send).

Whether an old or new Hotmail account, paid accounts have WebDAV access
enabled. They do NOT use POP3 (to receive). Read the setup instructions
at http://snipurl.com/n51v. Notice you are instructed to setup an
HTTPmail account (and that uses WebDAV scripting).

Back in June 2002, Microsoft stopped POP3 access altogether from their
Hotmail service and required users that wanted to continue using POP3 to
switch to the MSN mail service; see
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,101981,00.asp. I'm not
experienced with MSN but I thought they switched over to Hotmail. Hotmail
is what they show on their home page for their mail service. I suppose in
the same way Microsoft grandfathered in old free Hotmail account to
continue WebDAV access past the policy change date that they might've also
continued POP3 access for old MSN accounts (the "legacy" accounts that PA
Bear mentioned) before the switch to using Hotmail. Do you have a msn.com
or hotmail.com account for an e-mail address?

the msn acount i have is free with my qwest dsl setup.
Which i suppose i do pay for within the service i get.

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Carl G
"mae" wrote in message
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He doesn't have a free Hotmail account so it doesn't apply to him.
He has a Msn paid account.
Hotmail has always been web based.
Msn hasn't dropped the PoP3 for the older Msn accounts.
It started Web Dav in Feb 2000.
I use both.
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mae

"Vanguard" wrote in message
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| "Carl G" cgerving@msnDOTcom wrote in message
| ...
| Hi Ted
| Qwest says that is the only way they do it.
| But i thought maybe someone knew of a different way to convert that
http
| server back to pop3.
| I know nothing about that stuff.
|
| "Ted Zieglar" wrote in message ...
| What did Qwest technical support say?
|
| "Carl G" wrote in message ...
| I just got Qwest DSL about 3 weeks ago,with msn.
| Is there a way around useing that lousey http mail server and keep
| outlook
| express as it was with pop3 mail.
|
|
| There are no POP3 or SMTP mail hosts anymore for Hotmail. Microsofts
| dropped then something like 6 years ago. WebDAV scripting is used to
access
| Hotmail over HTTP, and Outlook and Outlook Express know WebDAV so they
can
| connect to Hotmail. However, you will need a paid Hotmail account if it
was
| created after 29-Nov-2004 since WebDAV access is disabled for freebie
| Hotmail accounts created after that date. I believe there are some 3rd
| party mail aggregating services that also have scripted in WebDAV to
access
| Hotmail accounts. I think HotPOP (http://www.boolean.ca/hotpop/)
supports
| WebDAV: it used to be free but I stopped using it when it became
trialware
| and cost money ($18).
|
| Why is using WebDAV such a pain? It's just another set of commands
within
a
| script that get sent to the mail host and similar to how your e-mail
client
| sends commands to the POP3 and SMTP servers. The problem isn't with
WebDAV
| or HTTP. The problem is with the Hotmail service. You don't have to
use
| the e-mail service included by your Internet provider.
|
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my server is listed like this
(http://oe.msn.msnmail.hotmail.com/cgi-bin/hmdata)

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Carl G
"Vanguard" wrote in message
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"mae" wrote in message
...
Hotmail only stopped retrieving mail from your POP3 accounts for free
users.
It never stopped and continues to function for paid accounts.


Hotmail doesn't use POP3 at all. It uses WebDAV. Even paid accounts use
WebDAV.

If your free Hotmail account was created before 29-Nov-2004, it got
grandfathered in so you could continue to use Outlook [Express] to connect
to the WebDAV-enabled mail hosts to send and receive.

If your free Hotmail account was created after 29-Nov-2004, WebDAV access
is disabled so you are stuck using Microsoft's webmail interface. You
cannot use POP3 (to receive) or SMTP (to send).

Whether an old or new Hotmail account, paid accounts have WebDAV access
enabled. They do NOT use POP3 (to receive). Read the setup instructions
at http://snipurl.com/n51v. Notice you are instructed to setup an
HTTPmail account (and that uses WebDAV scripting).

Back in June 2002, Microsoft stopped POP3 access altogether from their
Hotmail service and required users that wanted to continue using POP3 to
switch to the MSN mail service; see
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,101981,00.asp. I'm not
experienced with MSN but I thought they switched over to Hotmail. Hotmail
is what they show on their home page for their mail service. I suppose in
the same way Microsoft grandfathered in old free Hotmail account to
continue WebDAV access past the policy change date that they might've also
continued POP3 access for old MSN accounts (the "legacy" accounts that PA
Bear mentioned) before the switch to using Hotmail. Do you have a msn.com
or hotmail.com account for an e-mail address?

Hi mae
The thing i don't like about the http mail is it has its own folders like OE
but has no out box folder like OE, so when you create mail and click on send
,it uses OE outbox,inturn droping down all the OE folders.
No big deal but still a hasle to close up OE all the time.
I have about a dozen folders listed so to show all i need OE colapsed.
Hope i explained that right.
Thanks
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Carl G
"mae" wrote in message
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No POP3 mail unless Qwest gives you that account.
With MSN (httpDav) you can use Outlook Express, Outlook, or their mail
program.
Their program is better than OE as filtering built-in..
It is just a skin over OE with enhancements, such as Photo Story,
stationary, calendar, messenger. .
Especially good if more than one user.
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mae

"Carl G" cgerving@msnDOTcom wrote in message
...
| Hi All
| I just got Qwest DSL about 3 weeks ago,with msn.
| Is there a way around useing that lousey http mail server and keep
outlook
| express as it was with pop3 mail.
| Thanks.
| --
| Carl G
|
|

Hotmail, which is what MSN uses now, dropped the POP3/SMTP mail hosts a
long time ago.

Kinda/sorta. accounts are all WebDAV now but there are an
admittedly small number of MSN "legacy" subscribers (e.g., mae) who continue
to access their (or ) accounts in OE via
POP3.

[To] the OP, the short answer is: No POP for you.

/That/ is correct. New accounts are WebDAV (and even that's
going to change soon).
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~PA Bear


Vanguard wrote:
"PA Bear" wrote in message
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There are no POP3 or SMTP mail hosts anymore for Hotmail.

POP3/SMTP mailservers for MSN mail is still around but only a very few
"legacy" customers have POP3 access to their accounts.


Hotmail, which is what MSN uses now, dropped the POP3/SMTP mail hosts a
long time ago. MSN probably had their own POP3/SMTP servers before
cutting over to using Hotmail. So it is probably MSN that still has mail
hosts for grandfathered MSN accounts. Since the OP said they got Qwest
just 3 weeks ago, there's no way the OP is going to get access to
whatever "legacy" POP3/SMTP mail hosts may still exist.

Hotmail started July 1996. Microsoft acquired Hotmail around December
1997 (http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/p.../Hotmlpr.mspx).
On July 2002, Hotmail dropped access to POP3/SMTP servers. I don't know
what was happening over at MSN regarding their mail servers (I never got
suckered into using MSN just because Microsoft spewed it on the Windows
desktop). MSN switched from whatever they were using to then use Hotmail
which, by then, had no POP3/SMTP servers anymore. So if there are legacy
MSN users still able to access POP3/SMTP servers, they are remanants from
whatever MSN used before switching to Hotmail.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotmail

The the OP, the short answer is: No POP for you.

"PA Bear" wrote in message
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/That/ is correct. New accounts are WebDAV (and even that's
going to change soon).

Oh oh. Change to what? Just for MSN subscribers?

Vanguard wrote:
/That/ is correct. New accounts are WebDAV (and even
that's going to change soon).

Oh oh. Change to what? Just for MSN subscribers?

Can't say anything else about it at this point. You should've attended the
All MVP chat with the WinMail/OE Team on the 3rd. wink Transcript will be
posted soon.
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~PA Bear