There are no POP3 or SMTP mail hosts anymore for Hotmail.

POP3/SMTP mailservers for MSN mail is still around but only a very few
"legacy" customers have POP3 access to their accounts.
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~PA Bear


Vanguard wrote:
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"Carl G" wrote in message ...
I just got Qwest DSL about 3 weeks ago,with msn.
Is there a way around useing that lousey http mail server and keep
outlook express as it was with pop3 mail.

There are no POP3 or SMTP mail hosts anymore for Hotmail. Microsofts
dropped then something like 6 years ago. WebDAV scripting is used to
access Hotmail over HTTP, and Outlook and Outlook Express know WebDAV so
they can connect to Hotmail. However, you will need a paid Hotmail
account if it was created after 29-Nov-2004 since WebDAV access is
disabled for freebie Hotmail accounts created after that date. I believe
there are some 3rd party mail aggregating services that also have
scripted in WebDAV to access Hotmail accounts. I think HotPOP
(http://www.boolean.ca/hotpop/) supports WebDAV: it used to be free but I
stopped using it when it became trialware and cost money ($18).

Why is using WebDAV such a pain? It's just another set of commands
within a script that get sent to the mail host and similar to how your
e-mail client sends commands to the POP3 and SMTP servers. The problem
isn't with WebDAV or HTTP. The problem is with the Hotmail service. You
don't have to use the e-mail service included by your Internet provider.

"PA Bear" wrote in message
...
There are no POP3 or SMTP mail hosts anymore for Hotmail.

POP3/SMTP mailservers for MSN mail is still around but only a very few
"legacy" customers have POP3 access to their accounts.


Hotmail, which is what MSN uses now, dropped the POP3/SMTP mail hosts a long
time ago. MSN probably had their own POP3/SMTP servers before cutting over
to using Hotmail. So it is probably MSN that still has mail hosts for
grandfathered MSN accounts. Since the OP said they got Qwest just 3 weeks
ago, there's no way the OP is going to get access to whatever "legacy"
POP3/SMTP mail hosts may still exist.

Hotmail started July 1996. Microsoft acquired Hotmail around December 1997
(http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/p.../Hotmlpr.mspx). On July
2002, Hotmail dropped access to POP3/SMTP servers. I don't know what was
happening over at MSN regarding their mail servers (I never got suckered
into using MSN just because Microsoft spewed it on the Windows desktop).
MSN switched from whatever they were using to then use Hotmail which, by
then, had no POP3/SMTP servers anymore. So if there are legacy MSN users
still able to access POP3/SMTP servers, they are remanants from whatever MSN
used before switching to Hotmail.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotmail

The the OP, the short answer is: No POP for you.

Thanks Vanguard,
I don't care fore msn either. When we install Qwest DSL setup it installs
msn Premium also. Which i promptly uninstall.
Well i guess i am going to have to get used to the msn http mail.
I installed Incredimail today and like that better then msn setup.
But nothing like good old OE.
Which is just what i got used to useing.
Guess they are all ok once you get used to them.
Thanks again guys

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Carl G
"Vanguard" wrote in message
...
"PA Bear" wrote in message
...
There are no POP3 or SMTP mail hosts anymore for Hotmail.

POP3/SMTP mailservers for MSN mail is still around but only a very few
"legacy" customers have POP3 access to their accounts.


Hotmail, which is what MSN uses now, dropped the POP3/SMTP mail hosts a
long time ago. MSN probably had their own POP3/SMTP servers before
cutting over to using Hotmail. So it is probably MSN that still has mail
hosts for grandfathered MSN accounts. Since the OP said they got Qwest
just 3 weeks ago, there's no way the OP is going to get access to whatever
"legacy" POP3/SMTP mail hosts may still exist.

Hotmail started July 1996. Microsoft acquired Hotmail around December
1997 (http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/p.../Hotmlpr.mspx).
On July 2002, Hotmail dropped access to POP3/SMTP servers. I don't know
what was happening over at MSN regarding their mail servers (I never got
suckered into using MSN just because Microsoft spewed it on the Windows
desktop). MSN switched from whatever they were using to then use Hotmail
which, by then, had no POP3/SMTP servers anymore. So if there are legacy
MSN users still able to access POP3/SMTP servers, they are remanants from
whatever MSN used before switching to Hotmail.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotmail

The the OP, the short answer is: No POP for you.

Hotmail, which is what MSN uses now, dropped the POP3/SMTP mail hosts a
long time ago.

Kinda/sorta. accounts are all WebDAV now but there are an
admittedly small number of MSN "legacy" subscribers (e.g., mae) who continue
to access their (or ) accounts in OE via
POP3.

[To] the OP, the short answer is: No POP for you.

/That/ is correct. New accounts are WebDAV (and even that's
going to change soon).
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~PA Bear


Vanguard wrote:
"PA Bear" wrote in message
...
There are no POP3 or SMTP mail hosts anymore for Hotmail.

POP3/SMTP mailservers for MSN mail is still around but only a very few
"legacy" customers have POP3 access to their accounts.


Hotmail, which is what MSN uses now, dropped the POP3/SMTP mail hosts a
long time ago. MSN probably had their own POP3/SMTP servers before
cutting over to using Hotmail. So it is probably MSN that still has mail
hosts for grandfathered MSN accounts. Since the OP said they got Qwest
just 3 weeks ago, there's no way the OP is going to get access to
whatever "legacy" POP3/SMTP mail hosts may still exist.

Hotmail started July 1996. Microsoft acquired Hotmail around December
1997 (http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/p.../Hotmlpr.mspx).
On July 2002, Hotmail dropped access to POP3/SMTP servers. I don't know
what was happening over at MSN regarding their mail servers (I never got
suckered into using MSN just because Microsoft spewed it on the Windows
desktop). MSN switched from whatever they were using to then use Hotmail
which, by then, had no POP3/SMTP servers anymore. So if there are legacy
MSN users still able to access POP3/SMTP servers, they are remanants from
whatever MSN used before switching to Hotmail.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotmail

The the OP, the short answer is: No POP for you.

"PA Bear" wrote in message
...
/That/ is correct. New accounts are WebDAV (and even that's
going to change soon).

Oh oh. Change to what? Just for MSN subscribers?

Vanguard wrote:
/That/ is correct. New accounts are WebDAV (and even
that's going to change soon).

Oh oh. Change to what? Just for MSN subscribers?

Can't say anything else about it at this point. You should've attended the
All MVP chat with the WinMail/OE Team on the 3rd. wink Transcript will be
posted soon.
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~PA Bear