I have a question about spaces typed in HTML-mode in OE (6.00.2600.00 / XP
Home 2002 SP2). At numerous places my text appears to contain normal spaces
but also 'locked spaces' (transcripted in HTML as 'ampersand-nbsp;'), which
influence the preferred layout in a negative manner. I don't know how and
when these 'ampersand-nbsp;'s appear in my text, but I don't want them. I
want normal spaces that allow text to be broken to the next line. How can I
avoide these locked spaces arrive in my text?
TIA
Oriolus

Are you actually typing the text into OE or are you pasting it from
another program? If pasting it, from what program are you copying?



--

Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm


"Oriolus" wrote in message
...
I have a question about spaces typed in HTML-mode in OE (6.00.2600.00 /
XP
Home 2002 SP2). At numerous places my text appears to contain normal
spaces
but also 'locked spaces' (transcripted in HTML as 'ampersand-nbsp;'),
which
influence the preferred layout in a negative manner. I don't know how
and
when these 'ampersand-nbsp;'s appear in my text, but I don't want
them. I
want normal spaces that allow text to be broken to the next line. How
can I
avoide these locked spaces arrive in my text?
TIA
Oriolus

Supposed to be an anwer to both, Ron and Michael. Thank you for you concern!
I am just typing texts into an existing mail that I want to forward to others.
The mail already contains some text, a.o. a table that someone else comosed
by means of Frontpage. I do not use tabs. Mostly the spaces I type stay
spaces, but about a quarter of the number of spaces appear to have become a
nbsp-space and I don't know when and how they come there. I check what is in
my mail to be forwarded by looking into the source of the HTML-mail, because
I notice the lines I type are broken at peculiar places and I discovered why:
because of numerous nbsp-spaces. How can I avoid their random presence?
TIA
Oriolus

"Michael Santovec" wrote:

Are you actually typing the text into OE or are you pasting it from
another program? If pasting it, from what program are you copying?



--

Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm


"Oriolus" wrote in message
...
I have a question about spaces typed in HTML-mode in OE (6.00.2600.00 /
XP
Home 2002 SP2). At numerous places my text appears to contain normal
spaces
but also 'locked spaces' (transcripted in HTML as 'ampersand-nbsp;'),
which
influence the preferred layout in a negative manner. I don't know how
and
when these 'ampersand-nbsp;'s appear in my text, but I don't want
them. I
want normal spaces that allow text to be broken to the next line. How
can I
avoide these locked spaces arrive in my text?
TIA
Oriolus

It sounds like your are picking up the formatting from the previous message.
--
Ron Sommer

"Oriolus" wrote in message
...
Supposed to be an anwer to both, Ron and Michael. Thank you for you
concern!
I am just typing texts into an existing mail that I want to forward to
others.
The mail already contains some text, a.o. a table that someone else
comosed
by means of Frontpage. I do not use tabs. Mostly the spaces I type stay
spaces, but about a quarter of the number of spaces appear to have become
a
nbsp-space and I don't know when and how they come there. I check what is
in
my mail to be forwarded by looking into the source of the HTML-mail,
because
I notice the lines I type are broken at peculiar places and I discovered
why:
because of numerous nbsp-spaces. How can I avoid their random presence?
TIA
Oriolus

"Michael Santovec" wrote:

Are you actually typing the text into OE or are you pasting it from
another program? If pasting it, from what program are you copying?



--

Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm


"Oriolus" wrote in message
...
I have a question about spaces typed in HTML-mode in OE (6.00.2600.00 /
XP
Home 2002 SP2). At numerous places my text appears to contain normal
spaces
but also 'locked spaces' (transcripted in HTML as 'ampersand-nbsp;'),
which
influence the preferred layout in a negative manner. I don't know how
and
when these 'ampersand-nbsp;'s appear in my text, but I don't want
them. I
want normal spaces that allow text to be broken to the next line. How
can I
avoide these locked spaces arrive in my text?
TIA
Oriolus

One   space would be from hitting the spacebar.
Three   spaces would be from hitting the Tab key.
--
Ron Sommer

"Oriolus" wrote in message
...
I have a question about spaces typed in HTML-mode in OE (6.00.2600.00 / XP
Home 2002 SP2). At numerous places my text appears to contain normal
spaces
but also 'locked spaces' (transcripted in HTML as 'ampersand-nbsp;'),
which
influence the preferred layout in a negative manner. I don't know how and
when these 'ampersand-nbsp;'s appear in my text, but I don't want them. I
want normal spaces that allow text to be broken to the next line. How can
I
avoide these locked spaces arrive in my text?
TIA
Oriolus

The HTML generator in OE attempts to accommodate human typing.
html treats leading spaces and trailing spaces as non existent
and multiple spaces as a single space. tabs and multiple spaces must be
created from html entities
{space}d would display as d. when text is entered.
the received message would not match the senders displayed preview if sent
as typed, the generator inserts a no-break space   or em-space  
appropriate to the text typed .
unfortunately if you type {space}{space}{space} at least 2 of them must be
coded as no-break space or the rendered html at the receiver would be only
one space.
and then later go back and edit out one or more spaces, or edit the text so
that leading spaces are removed, the no-break space may remain. creating a
received image that does not match the senders version.
The same problem the generator was supposed to remedy
  is useful to keep telephone numbers on one line
(999) 999 9999 will always display on a single line

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"Oriolus" wrote in message
...
I have a question about spaces typed in HTML-mode in OE (6.00.2600.00 / XP
Home 2002 SP2). At numerous places my text appears to contain normal
spaces
but also 'locked spaces' (transcripted in HTML as 'ampersand-nbsp;'),
which
influence the preferred layout in a negative manner. I don't know how and
when these 'ampersand-nbsp;'s appear in my text, but I don't want them. I
want normal spaces that allow text to be broken to the next line. How can
I
avoide these locked spaces arrive in my text?
TIA
Oriolus

Hi AlmostBob,

Thank you for your elaborate explanation.
Would it be advisable then to compose my tests first is, say, Wordpad adn
copy that into the mail that I want ot forward? Will that way guard against
unwanted nbsp-spaces? I would be grateful if you could suggest another way,
if this is not the easiest way to get rid of these nbsp-spaces in my texts!
Thank you in advance!
Oriolus

"AlmostBob" wrote:

The HTML generator in OE attempts to accommodate human typing.
html treats leading spaces and trailing spaces as non existent
and multiple spaces as a single space. tabs and multiple spaces must be
created from html entities
{space}d would display as d. when text is entered.
the received message would not match the senders displayed preview if sent
as typed, the generator inserts a no-break space or em-space  
appropriate to the text typed .
unfortunately if you type {space}{space}{space} at least 2 of them must be
coded as no-break space or the rendered html at the receiver would be only
one space.
and then later go back and edit out one or more spaces, or edit the text so
that leading spaces are removed, the no-break space may remain. creating a
received image that does not match the senders version.
The same problem the generator was supposed to remedy
is useful to keep telephone numbers on one line
(999) 999 9999 will always display on a single line

--
-
Adaware http://www.lavasoft.de
spybot http://security.kolla.de
AVG free antivirus http://www.grisoft.com
Etrust/Vet/CA.online Antivirus scan
http://www3.ca.com/securityadvisor/virusinfo/scan.aspx
Panda online AntiVirus scan http://www.activescan.com
Panda online AntiSpyware Scan
http://www.pandasoftware.com/virus_info/spyware/test/
Catalog of removal tools (1)
http://www.pandasoftware.com/download/utilities/
Catalog of removal tools (2)
http://www3.ca.com/securityadvisor/n...aspx?CID=40387
Trouble Shooting guide to Windows http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/
Blocking Unwanted Parasites with a Hosts file
http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm
links provided as a courtesy, read all instructions on the pages before
use
Grateful thanks to the authors/webmasters
_
"Oriolus" wrote in message
...
I have a question about spaces typed in HTML-mode in OE (6.00.2600.00 / XP
Home 2002 SP2). At numerous places my text appears to contain normal
spaces
but also 'locked spaces' (transcripted in HTML as 'ampersand-nbsp;'),
which
influence the preferred layout in a negative manner. I don't know how and
when these 'ampersand-nbsp;'s appear in my text, but I don't want them. I
want normal spaces that allow text to be broken to the next line. How can
I
avoide these locked spaces arrive in my text?
TIA
Oriolus

I use tables a lot, to align text, not the dumbass table generated by front
page that are composed of emspaces and nobreak spaces
(am going to leave off the leading s of each line so this does not show as
html, parts of my last post got rendered, oops)

html
body bgcolor="#eeeeee"
table width="100%"
Caption="This weeks totals"
!--repeat four lines below for each person--
TR
TD width="135" align="right"Name
TD width="135" align="right"Count
TD width="*" align=:"left"Comments (rest of page)
!--repeat four lines above for each person--
/table
/body

I like a free notepad replacement called notepad2, unlimited file size like
wordpad & changes the color of command syntax words so its easy to see if
you left out any closing brackets or quotes. and cut the text out of
incoming mails, paste them into notepad2 and reformat them, becuase I use
the same table a lot, really a lot, I have a template & cut n paste

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http://www3.ca.com/securityadvisor/virusinfo/scan.aspx
Panda online AntiVirus scan http://www.activescan.com
Panda online AntiSpyware Scan
http://www.pandasoftware.com/virus_info/spyware/test/
Catalog of removal tools (1)
http://www.pandasoftware.com/download/utilities/
Catalog of removal tools (2)
http://www3.ca.com/securityadvisor/n...aspx?CID=40387
Trouble Shooting guide to Windows http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/
Blocking Unwanted Parasites with a Hosts file
http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm
links provided as a courtesy, read all instructions on the pages before
use
Grateful thanks to the authors/webmasters
_
"Oriolus" wrote in message
...
Hi AlmostBob,

Thank you for your elaborate explanation.
Would it be advisable then to compose my tests first is, say, Wordpad adn
copy that into the mail that I want ot forward? Will that way guard
against
unwanted nbsp-spaces? I would be grateful if you could suggest another
way,
if this is not the easiest way to get rid of these nbsp-spaces in my
texts!
Thank you in advance!
Oriolus

"AlmostBob" wrote:

The HTML generator in OE attempts to accommodate human typing.
html treats leading spaces and trailing spaces as non existent
and multiple spaces as a single space. tabs and multiple spaces must be
created from html entities
{space}d would display as d. when text is entered.
the received message would not match the senders displayed preview if
sent
as typed, the generator inserts a no-break space or em-space
appropriate to the text typed .
unfortunately if you type {space}{space}{space} at least 2 of them must
be
coded as no-break space or the rendered html at the receiver would be
only
one space.
and then later go back and edit out one or more spaces, or edit the text
so
that leading spaces are removed, the no-break space may remain. creating
a
received image that does not match the senders version.
The same problem the generator was supposed to remedy
is useful to keep telephone numbers on one line
(999) 999 9999 will always display on a single line

--
-
Adaware http://www.lavasoft.de
spybot http://security.kolla.de
AVG free antivirus http://www.grisoft.com
Etrust/Vet/CA.online Antivirus scan
http://www3.ca.com/securityadvisor/virusinfo/scan.aspx
Panda online AntiVirus scan http://www.activescan.com
Panda online AntiSpyware Scan
http://www.pandasoftware.com/virus_info/spyware/test/
Catalog of removal tools (1)
http://www.pandasoftware.com/download/utilities/
Catalog of removal tools (2)
http://www3.ca.com/securityadvisor/n...aspx?CID=40387
Trouble Shooting guide to Windows http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/
Blocking Unwanted Parasites with a Hosts file
http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm
links provided as a courtesy, read all instructions on the pages
before
use
Grateful thanks to the authors/webmasters
_
"Oriolus" wrote in message
...
I have a question about spaces typed in HTML-mode in OE (6.00.2600.00
/ XP
Home 2002 SP2). At numerous places my text appears to contain normal
spaces
but also 'locked spaces' (transcripted in HTML as 'ampersand-nbsp;'),
which
influence the preferred layout in a negative manner. I don't know how
and
when these 'ampersand-nbsp;'s appear in my text, but I don't want
them. I
want normal spaces that allow text to be broken to the next line. How
can
I
avoide these locked spaces arrive in my text?
TIA
Oriolus

Thanks a lot!
I downloaded Notepad2. It seems a great application. I also think it can
solve the problem of the nobreak spaces if step 2 in the next paragraph is an
option. I was telling that I had these problems, but actually it is a friend
of mine who did, and I try to act as an intermedeary. I tried to explain his
problems in this discussion.
What I'm thinking of now is how my friend could use Notepad2 fruitfuly, if I
tell him how to get it.
I wonder if he could try the following:

Can he
1. open and make ready to forward the mail that he wants to edit;
2. configure Outlook Express in a way that it will load the source of the
mail he wants to edit (and after that forward to a group of people) into
Notpad2 in stead of Notepad;
3. do his editing in Notepad2 in the much friendlier way Notepad2 presents
the source (its only already formatted text that he wants to extend);
4. select every paragraph separately, copy them separately and paste them
separately as a new paragraph over the old ones in the mail to be forwarded;
5. probably he should ajust the font of the newly pasted text since
Notepad(2) works in Arial; color and background won't be affected, I presume.

My mere question is the second one: it would be too complicated for my
friend, I'm afraid, to copy the source from Notepad into Notepad2, if he can
cope with all 5 steps to accomplish anyway.

What he does just now, is editing the HTML-mail itself, that results in the
situation that I described earlier: many spaces typed by him using the
spacebar appear to become nbsp-spaces, probably because the HTML-interpreter
encapsulates all edited texts within span- and /span-tags.

Would you be so kind as to telling me if step 2 is an option for my friend?

Thank you very much in advance!
Oriolus

"AlmostBob" wrote:

I use tables a lot, to align text, not the dumbass table generated by front
page that are composed of emspaces and nobreak spaces
(am going to leave off the leading s of each line so this does not show as
html, parts of my last post got rendered, oops)

html
body bgcolor="#eeeeee"
table width="100%"
Caption="This weeks totals"
!--repeat four lines below for each person--
TR
TD width="135" align="right"Name
TD width="135" align="right"Count
TD width="*" align=:"left"Comments (rest of page)
!--repeat four lines above for each person--
/table
/body

I like a free notepad replacement called notepad2, unlimited file size like
wordpad & changes the color of command syntax words so its easy to see if
you left out any closing brackets or quotes. and cut the text out of
incoming mails, paste them into notepad2 and reformat them, becuase I use
the same table a lot, really a lot, I have a template & cut n paste

--
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spybot http://security.kolla.de
AVG free antivirus http://www.grisoft.com
Etrust/Vet/CA.online Antivirus scan
http://www3.ca.com/securityadvisor/virusinfo/scan.aspx
Panda online AntiVirus scan http://www.activescan.com
Panda online AntiSpyware Scan
http://www.pandasoftware.com/virus_info/spyware/test/
Catalog of removal tools (1)
http://www.pandasoftware.com/download/utilities/
Catalog of removal tools (2)
http://www3.ca.com/securityadvisor/n...aspx?CID=40387
Trouble Shooting guide to Windows http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/
Blocking Unwanted Parasites with a Hosts file
http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm
links provided as a courtesy, read all instructions on the pages before
use
Grateful thanks to the authors/webmasters
_
"Oriolus" wrote in message
...
Hi AlmostBob,

Thank you for your elaborate explanation.
Would it be advisable then to compose my tests first is, say, Wordpad adn
copy that into the mail that I want ot forward? Will that way guard
against
unwanted nbsp-spaces? I would be grateful if you could suggest another
way,
if this is not the easiest way to get rid of these nbsp-spaces in my
texts!
Thank you in advance!
Oriolus

"AlmostBob" wrote:

The HTML generator in OE attempts to accommodate human typing.
html treats leading spaces and trailing spaces as non existent
and multiple spaces as a single space. tabs and multiple spaces must be
created from html entities
{space}d would display as d. when text is entered.
the received message would not match the senders displayed preview if
sent
as typed, the generator inserts a no-break space or em-space
appropriate to the text typed .
unfortunately if you type {space}{space}{space} at least 2 of them must
be
coded as no-break space or the rendered html at the receiver would be
only
one space.
and then later go back and edit out one or more spaces, or edit the text
so
that leading spaces are removed, the no-break space may remain. creating
a
received image that does not match the senders version.
The same problem the generator was supposed to remedy
is useful to keep telephone numbers on one line
(999) 999 9999 will always display on a single line

--
-
Adaware http://www.lavasoft.de
spybot http://security.kolla.de
AVG free antivirus http://www.grisoft.com
Etrust/Vet/CA.online Antivirus scan
http://www3.ca.com/securityadvisor/virusinfo/scan.aspx
Panda online AntiVirus scan http://www.activescan.com
Panda online AntiSpyware Scan
http://www.pandasoftware.com/virus_info/spyware/test/
Catalog of removal tools (1)
http://www.pandasoftware.com/download/utilities/
Catalog of removal tools (2)
http://www3.ca.com/securityadvisor/n...aspx?CID=40387
Trouble Shooting guide to Windows http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/
Blocking Unwanted Parasites with a Hosts file
http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm
links provided as a courtesy, read all instructions on the pages
before
use
Grateful thanks to the authors/webmasters
_
"Oriolus" wrote in message
...
I have a question about spaces typed in HTML-mode in OE (6.00.2600.00
/ XP
Home 2002 SP2). At numerous places my text appears to contain normal
spaces
but also 'locked spaces' (transcripted in HTML as 'ampersand-nbsp;'),
which
influence the preferred layout in a negative manner. I don't know how
and
when these 'ampersand-nbsp;'s appear in my text, but I don't want
them. I
want normal spaces that allow text to be broken to the next line. How
can
I
avoide these locked spaces arrive in my text?
TIA
Oriolus

Is the : supposed to be in align=:"left" ?
Did you mean to leave off the closing TR and TD tags?
--
Ron Sommer

"AlmostBob" wrote in message
...
I use tables a lot, to align text, not the dumbass table generated by front
page that are composed of emspaces and nobreak spaces
(am going to leave off the leading s of each line so this does not show
as
html, parts of my last post got rendered, oops)

html
body bgcolor="#eeeeee"
table width="100%"
Caption="This weeks totals"
!--repeat four lines below for each person--
TR
TD width="135" align="right"Name
TD width="135" align="right"Count
TD width="*" align=:"left"Comments (rest of page)
!--repeat four lines above for each person--
/table
/body

I like a free notepad replacement called notepad2, unlimited file size
like
wordpad & changes the color of command syntax words so its easy to see if
you left out any closing brackets or quotes. and cut the text out of
incoming mails, paste them into notepad2 and reformat them, becuase I use
the same table a lot, really a lot, I have a template & cut n paste

--
-
Adaware http://www.lavasoft.de
spybot http://security.kolla.de
AVG free antivirus http://www.grisoft.com
Etrust/Vet/CA.online Antivirus scan
http://www3.ca.com/securityadvisor/virusinfo/scan.aspx
Panda online AntiVirus scan http://www.activescan.com
Panda online AntiSpyware Scan
http://www.pandasoftware.com/virus_info/spyware/test/
Catalog of removal tools (1)
http://www.pandasoftware.com/download/utilities/
Catalog of removal tools (2)
http://www3.ca.com/securityadvisor/n...aspx?CID=40387
Trouble Shooting guide to Windows http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/
Blocking Unwanted Parasites with a Hosts file
http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm
links provided as a courtesy, read all instructions on the pages before
use
Grateful thanks to the authors/webmasters
_
"Oriolus" wrote in message
...
Hi AlmostBob,

Thank you for your elaborate explanation.
Would it be advisable then to compose my tests first is, say, Wordpad adn
copy that into the mail that I want ot forward? Will that way guard
against
unwanted nbsp-spaces? I would be grateful if you could suggest another
way,
if this is not the easiest way to get rid of these nbsp-spaces in my
texts!
Thank you in advance!
Oriolus

"AlmostBob" wrote:

The HTML generator in OE attempts to accommodate human typing.
html treats leading spaces and trailing spaces as non existent
and multiple spaces as a single space. tabs and multiple spaces must be
created from html entities
{space}d would display as d. when text is entered.
the received message would not match the senders displayed preview if
sent
as typed, the generator inserts a no-break space or em-space
appropriate to the text typed .
unfortunately if you type {space}{space}{space} at least 2 of them must
be
coded as no-break space or the rendered html at the receiver would be
only
one space.
and then later go back and edit out one or more spaces, or edit the
text
so
that leading spaces are removed, the no-break space may remain.
creating
a
received image that does not match the senders version.
The same problem the generator was supposed to remedy
is useful to keep telephone numbers on one line
(999) 999 9999 will always display on a single line

--
-
Adaware http://www.lavasoft.de
spybot http://security.kolla.de
AVG free antivirus http://www.grisoft.com
Etrust/Vet/CA.online Antivirus scan
http://www3.ca.com/securityadvisor/virusinfo/scan.aspx
Panda online AntiVirus scan http://www.activescan.com
Panda online AntiSpyware Scan
http://www.pandasoftware.com/virus_info/spyware/test/
Catalog of removal tools (1)
http://www.pandasoftware.com/download/utilities/
Catalog of removal tools (2)
http://www3.ca.com/securityadvisor/n...aspx?CID=40387
Trouble Shooting guide to Windows http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/
Blocking Unwanted Parasites with a Hosts file
http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm
links provided as a courtesy, read all instructions on the pages
before
use
Grateful thanks to the authors/webmasters
_
"Oriolus" wrote in message
...
I have a question about spaces typed in HTML-mode in OE (6.00.2600.00
/ XP
Home 2002 SP2). At numerous places my text appears to contain normal
spaces
but also 'locked spaces' (transcripted in HTML as 'ampersand-nbsp;'),
which
influence the preferred layout in a negative manner. I don't know
how
and
when these 'ampersand-nbsp;'s appear in my text, but I don't want
them. I
want normal spaces that allow text to be broken to the next line.
How
can
I
avoide these locked spaces arrive in my text?
TIA
Oriolus