Can someone help me understand the time signatures on emails? Every email I
get seems to have a time signature that does not match the time I receive it.
Where does this time signature come from?

Is it the time it is sent? Time received? Time through the net?

Thanks

Hi Dig,

When a new message goes to Outlook Express Outbox folder it is given the
time that will be used when the message is sent. If the message should sit
in the Outbox (while offline) the same time will be in place when it is
finally sent.

--
Tim K.
aka Kuay Tim
MS-MVP - Outlook Express
Lynnwood, WA
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"Dig" wrote in message
...
Can someone help me understand the time signatures on emails? Every email I
get seems to have a time signature that does not match the time I receive
it.
Where does this time signature come from?

Is it the time it is sent? Time received? Time through the net?

Thanks

"Dig" wrote in message

Can someone help me understand the time signatures on emails? Every
email I get seems to have a time signature that does not match the
time I receive it. Where does this time signature come from?

Is it the time it is sent? Time received? Time through the net?

Thanks

In OE you can have a Received and/or a Sent column. Each displays the
appropriate date. I'm not sure whether Received is the time it got to your
machine or the time it got to the server you get your mail from.

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
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How do you get a "received" time? That option is not in my "columns" setup.

"Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE" wrote in message
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: "Dig" wrote in message
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: Can someone help me understand the time signatures on emails? Every
: email I get seems to have a time signature that does not match the
: time I receive it. Where does this time signature come from?
:
: Is it the time it is sent? Time received? Time through the net?
:
: Thanks
:
: In OE you can have a Received and/or a Sent column. Each displays the
: appropriate date. I'm not sure whether Received is the time it got to your
: machine or the time it got to the server you get your mail from.
:
: --
: Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
: Please respond in Newsgroup. Do not send email
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:
:

Richard in AZ wrote:
How do you get a "received" time? That option is not in my "columns" setup.


Right click on From or Subject and choose Columns.

Alias

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"Richard in AZ" wrote in message

How do you get a "received" time? That option is not in my
"columns" setup.

You have to be in mail, not news.
BTW, it appears to give the time your server got it.

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On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 14:46:29 -0800, Dig wrote:

Can someone help me understand the time signatures on emails? Every email I
get seems to have a time signature that does not match the time I receive it.
Where does this time signature come from?

Is it the time it is sent? Time received? Time through the net?

Thanks

In the email I am looking at, the time in the MS Outlook Express "Received"
column seems to match the time in the topmost "Received: from * by *"
header line.

Compared two messages:

MSOE matched the header:

| Received: from smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.198.211]) by bay0-mc7-f16.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211);
| Sun, 12 Mar 2006 12:25:03 -0800

MSOE displays one hour earlier than the header:

| Received: from 131.107.70.12 (EHLO ext-imc-04.partners.extranet.microsoft.com) (131.107.70.12)
| by mta155.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; Tue, 09 Aug 2005 20:45:10 -0700

For the last one, there is one other anomaly: The header is the topmost
Received header line of the original message; but it was forwarded, and the
topmost Received header is not the one whose time is displayed by MSOE:

| Return-path:
| Received: from mta155.mail.mud.yahoo.com (68.142.202.87) by aosake.net (Mercury/32 v4.01b) ID MG000006;
| 9 Aug 2005 20:52:06 -0700
| X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from to
| X-Rocket-Track: 1: 100 ; IPCR=n-w0,n100,g0 ; IP=131.107.70.12 ; SERVER=68.142.202.232 # cat=UK; info=ip:NNip=131.107.70.12,policy=n-w0,n100,g0;sv:UKip=68.142.202.232;sg:UKsize=22 ,cnt=1
| X-Originating-IP: [131.107.70.12]
| Authentication-Results: mta155.mail.mud.yahoo.com
| from=microsoft.com; domainkeys=neutral (no sig)
| Received: from 131.107.70.12 (EHLO ext-imc-04.partners.extranet.microsoft.com) (131.107.70.12)
| by mta155.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; Tue, 09 Aug 2005 20:45:10 -0700

MSOE displays "8/9/2005 19:45" for this one. Also, when MSOE is off by one
hour, adding the current UTC offset to the displayed time produces the same
sum as adding the header line UTC offset to the header line time. I.e.:

Header line time plus header line UTC offset:
20:45:10 + 0700 = 27:45:10 (or, "8/10/05 3:45:10")

Current MSOE displayed time + current UTC offset:
19:45 + 0800 = 27:45 (or,"8/10/05 3:45")

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

"N. Miller" wrote in message

On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 14:46:29 -0800, Dig wrote:

Can someone help me understand the time signatures on emails? Every
email I
get seems to have a time signature that does not match the time I
receive it.
Where does this time signature come from?

Is it the time it is sent? Time received? Time through the net?

Thanks

In the email I am looking at, the time in the MS Outlook Express
"Received" column seems to match the time in the topmost "Received:
from * by *" header line.

Compared two messages:

MSOE matched the header:

Received: from smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.198.211]) by
bay0-mc7-f16.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211);
Sun, 12 Mar 2006 12:25:03 -0800

MSOE displays one hour earlier than the header:

Received: from 131.107.70.12 (EHLO
ext-imc-04.partners.extranet.microsoft.com) (131.107.70.12) by
mta155.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; Tue, 09 Aug 2005 20:45:10 -0700

For the last one, there is one other anomaly: The header is the
topmost Received header line of the original message; but it was
forwarded, and the topmost Received header is not the one whose time
is displayed by MSOE:

Return-path:
Received: from mta155.mail.mud.yahoo.com (68.142.202.87) by
aosake.net (Mercury/32 v4.01b) ID MG000006; 9 Aug 2005 20:52:06
-0700
X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from to

X-Rocket-Track: 1: 100 ; IPCR=n-w0,n100,g0 ; IP=131.107.70.12 ;
SERVER=68.142.202.232 # cat=UK;
info=ip:NNip=131.107.70.12,policy=n-w0,n100,g0;sv:UKip=68.142.202.232;sg:UKsize=22 ,cnt=1
X-Originating-IP: [131.107.70.12]
Authentication-Results: mta155.mail.mud.yahoo.com
from=microsoft.com; domainkeys=neutral (no sig)
Received: from 131.107.70.12 (EHLO
ext-imc-04.partners.extranet.microsoft.com) (131.107.70.12) by
mta155.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; Tue, 09 Aug 2005 20:45:10 -0700

MSOE displays "8/9/2005 19:45" for this one. Also, when MSOE is off
by one hour, adding the current UTC offset to the displayed time
produces the same sum as adding the header line UTC offset to the
header line time. I.e.:

Header line time plus header line UTC offset:
20:45:10 + 0700 = 27:45:10 (or, "8/10/05 3:45:10")

Current MSOE displayed time + current UTC offset:
19:45 + 0800 = 27:45 (or,"8/10/05 3:45")

I did some more digging. OE seems to be displaying the time my POP3 server
received the message in whatever Received line has my server at the end.
Adjusted for time zone differences.

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
Please respond in Newsgroup. Do not send email
http://www.fjsmjs.com
Protect your PC
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/

Each mail messages has multiple time stamps. You can see these in File,
Properties, Details.

When you look at the list of messages in Microsoft IE3 Internet Mail or
IE4+ Outlook Express, the Received time is when the message was received
by your ISP's mail server. The server supplies the time. This is the
first (top most) of possibly several "Received:" lines in the message
header. Each mail server that a message passes through adds its own
Received line. These are in reverse order, so that the bottom most one
listed is the first server that received the message from the sender.

When you open or print a message, the time displayed is from the
sender's PC when he wrote the message, not necessarily when he
transmitted it (depends on the mail client). The time comes from his
PC. This is the "Date:" line in the message header.

The time stamps include a time zone code as either an offset from GMT
(e.g. -0800) or a character code (e.g. PST). The mail program attempts
to adjust displayed times to your local time. If it doesn't recognize a
time zone in a time stamp, it treats it as GMT. The mail program
recognizes the US time zone codes and GMT. Most others it doesn't.
Make sure you have the correct time zone setting on your PC. For
Windows look in Control Panel, Date/Time.

Due to incorrect clock settings and time zones and improperly formatted
time stamps (a number of servers ignore the Internet standards), the
displayed times may or may not be accurate.

You may find that Microsoft Internet Mail or Outlook Express displays an
incorrect Received time, when other mail programs don't seem to have a
problem. Netscape, for example, only displays the Sent time from the
Date line. So if your ISP's mail servers have and incorrect time,
Netscape won't notice. You can do the same in Microsoft by selecting
View, Columns and choosing Sent rather than Received.

--

Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm


"Dig" wrote in message
...
Can someone help me understand the time signatures on emails? Every
email I
get seems to have a time signature that does not match the time I
receive it.
Where does this time signature come from?

Is it the time it is sent? Time received? Time through the net?

Thanks