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This certainly amounts to a WHOLE lot of TROUBLE...
See Below... Meanwhile NO USEFUL WORK is getting done on that computer. Some of you people here just want to PLAY with your software, ferreting out new bugs, gaffes and omissions, rather than employing it for USEFUL WORK. Why not just deep-six WLM and install Forte Agent 5.00/32.1171 and save a lot of grief? Forte Agent 5.00/32.1171 works beautifully, smoothly and cleverly... I haven't found a substantive bug yet... It is very POWERFUL... With many OPTIONS... And the Interface is not DUMBED-DOWN to the LCD. It's a pity Microsoft can't build something to compete with it as the front-end for an OS -- the email client and newsreader. Just from a MARKETING POV Microsoft needs to DO that... Build a WINDOWS LIVE EXPRESS. -- D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas et Libertas Vires et Honor Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum "Ildhund" wrote in message ... Gary, your experience is unusual, if not unique. There's been no other post in this group describing anything like this. Writing newly-downloaded message headers to the database takes a few seconds on shut-down. Re-indexing (aka compacting) takes a little longer, especially if there have been a lot of deletions and movements of messages. Rebuilding Quick views happens on start-up and takes up to a minute. This is with v. 14.0.8050.1202, which I suppose is the same as yours despite what you write, also on XPSP3, with a database approaching 300MB and a message store of perhaps 150,000 messages. Either there is something fundamentally wrong with your installation or there's something else interfering. To sort out the first of these calls for a Scorched Earth clean install using Peter.R's procedure at http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com...90CA!226.entry The second could be something as simple as your AV or similar program laboriously checking every little disk write, or some other app you have installed that is not compatible with WLMail, or it could be something more sinister like malware. Sounds like you've got some troubleshooting to do. -- Noel "Gary H." wrote in message ... Found the problem underlying this situation. Quick view for mail will not function correctly at all until the database for all the unread news messages is completely rebuilt or indexed. not sure of the correct term. Problem with Windows live mail 2009 or version 14 is that this takes between one and two hours 10 messages at a time with a lot of stopping, starting and hanging. Further, this happens not just once but two to three times a day. Not using quick views at all is not a satisfactory option for me so uninstalled and went back to version 12, 2008. Much faster at this and only does an index once. Wish there was a way to turn off using quick views for news and keep it for mail only such as activate the grayed out show all news button in the quick views settings box. Anyone know of a tweak yet to do this. Of course the real solution in my mind would be to correct the problem of constantly re-indexing the quick views or speed up the process a lot. Thanks, Gary H. "Gary H." wrote in message ... Windows XP SP 3 Windows Live Mail Desktop Build 14.0.8050.1212 upgrade from version 12. No other live programs installed. Having a problem with Quick views using both the New mail view and the all Inbox view. First. Cannot delete messages from the quick view. Message remains and shows as new until close and open Live Mail Desktop. After attempting to delete an email Windows live mail desktop will not end with out going into task manager and manually ending the wlmail process. New mail will not appear in any quick view unless I have edited the registry as per the following link and instructions The Field Guide Repairing Windows Live Mail Quick Views Counter that I found in this newsgroup. New messages will then appear in quick views the first time Windows live mail is opened, however nothing after that first opening, unless of course the search folders version registry entry is deleted again. Tried the following. Compact all files Repair installation from the add remove programs list. Windows live essentials. (three times actually) Of course shut down and restart Windows. Anyone have this or similar problem and discovered a solution? Next step for me is a complete uninstall and reinstall. Thanks for any and all help. Gary H. |
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![]() "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... This certainly amounts to a WHOLE lot of TROUBLE... See Below... Meanwhile NO USEFUL WORK is getting done on that computer. Some of you people here just want to PLAY with your software, ferreting out new bugs, gaffes and omissions, rather than employing it for USEFUL WORK. Why not just deep-six WLM and install Forte Agent 5.00/32.1171 and save a lot of grief? Forte Agent 5.00/32.1171 works beautifully, smoothly and cleverly... I haven't found a substantive bug yet... It is very POWERFUL... With many OPTIONS... And the Interface is not DUMBED-DOWN to the LCD. It's a pity Microsoft can't build something to compete with it as the front-end for an OS -- the email client and newsreader. Just from a MARKETING POV Microsoft needs to DO that... Build a WINDOWS LIVE EXPRESS. -- D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas et Libertas Vires et Honor Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum "Ildhund" wrote in message ... Gary, your experience is unusual, if not unique. There's been no other post in this group describing anything like this. Writing newly-downloaded message headers to the database takes a few seconds on shut-down. Re-indexing (aka compacting) takes a little longer, especially if there have been a lot of deletions and movements of messages. Rebuilding Quick views happens on start-up and takes up to a minute. This is with v. 14.0.8050.1202, which I suppose is the same as yours despite what you write, also on XPSP3, with a database approaching 300MB and a message store of perhaps 150,000 messages. Either there is something fundamentally wrong with your installation or there's something else interfering. To sort out the first of these calls for a Scorched Earth clean install using Peter.R's procedure at http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com...90CA!226.entry The second could be something as simple as your AV or similar program laboriously checking every little disk write, or some other app you have installed that is not compatible with WLMail, or it could be something more sinister like malware. Sounds like you've got some troubleshooting to do. -- Noel "Gary H." wrote in message ... Found the problem underlying this situation. Quick view for mail will not function correctly at all until the database for all the unread news messages is completely rebuilt or indexed. not sure of the correct term. Problem with Windows live mail 2009 or version 14 is that this takes between one and two hours 10 messages at a time with a lot of stopping, starting and hanging. Further, this happens not just once but two to three times a day. Not using quick views at all is not a satisfactory option for me so uninstalled and went back to version 12, 2008. Much faster at this and only does an index once. Wish there was a way to turn off using quick views for news and keep it for mail only such as activate the grayed out show all news button in the quick views settings box. Anyone know of a tweak yet to do this. Of course the real solution in my mind would be to correct the problem of constantly re-indexing the quick views or speed up the process a lot. Thanks, Gary H. "Gary H." wrote in message ... Windows XP SP 3 Windows Live Mail Desktop Build 14.0.8050.1212 upgrade from version 12. No other live programs installed. Having a problem with Quick views using both the New mail view and the all Inbox view. First. Cannot delete messages from the quick view. Message remains and shows as new until close and open Live Mail Desktop. After attempting to delete an email Windows live mail desktop will not end with out going into task manager and manually ending the wlmail process. New mail will not appear in any quick view unless I have edited the registry as per the following link and instructions The Field Guide Repairing Windows Live Mail Quick Views Counter that I found in this newsgroup. New messages will then appear in quick views the first time Windows live mail is opened, however nothing after that first opening, unless of course the search folders version registry entry is deleted again. Tried the following. Compact all files Repair installation from the add remove programs list. Windows live essentials. (three times actually) Of course shut down and restart Windows. Anyone have this or similar problem and discovered a solution? Next step for me is a complete uninstall and reinstall. Thanks for any and all help. Gary H. Pompous git! |
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Isn't that the same as 'the tail wagging the dog?" or more generally
just "plain bad advice?" I have been a registered Agent user since v1.93 and currently use Agent v1.42. To pass Agent off as an easy to use app is total misrepresentation. As just one example (of many) the filters mechanism and language in Agent (since v.99) is as unfriendly and cryptic as ancient hieroglyphics. I sure would NOT say that Agent (any version) "works beautifully, smoothly and cleverly..." because it DOES NOT. Agent is written by geeks , for geeks, and is generally lauded and touted by it's small but devoted geek user base. Agent also still looks like the 1995 era app that it was born as. It's butt-ugly and not a pleasure to see and visually associate with. I DO AGREE with you that since v1.93 Agent has been very nearly a perfectly running app.. that is, with all my criticism aside, it is a faithful trooper, reliable and predictable. I use it everyday but ONLY for it's yENC compatibility and for it's automatic multi-part binary joining. I have over the past decade not had a single performance issue with Agent. Agent is not user-friendly and the filters are just one example. It's additions recently of 'desks', 'personas', and 'nested folders', has further relegated Agent forever to the confines of 'geek software' and alienates it from all but true 'nerd heads'. It has a very steep learning curve. As such it has in it's quest to be the end-all news / email client removed itself from any mass appeal. It is needlessly complicated. My $.02. -ps posted with Windows Live Mail Charlie "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... This certainly amounts to a WHOLE lot of TROUBLE... See Below... Meanwhile NO USEFUL WORK is getting done on that computer. Some of you people here just want to PLAY with your software, ferreting out new bugs, gaffes and omissions, rather than employing it for USEFUL WORK. Why not just deep-six WLM and install Forte Agent 5.00/32.1171 and save a lot of grief? Forte Agent 5.00/32.1171 works beautifully, smoothly and cleverly... I haven't found a substantive bug yet... It is very POWERFUL... With many OPTIONS... And the Interface is not DUMBED-DOWN to the LCD. It's a pity Microsoft can't build something to compete with it as the front-end for an OS -- the email client and newsreader. Just from a MARKETING POV Microsoft needs to DO that... Build a WINDOWS LIVE EXPRESS. -- D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas et Libertas Vires et Honor Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum "Ildhund" wrote in message ... Gary, your experience is unusual, if not unique. There's been no other post in this group describing anything like this. Writing newly-downloaded message headers to the database takes a few seconds on shut-down. Re-indexing (aka compacting) takes a little longer, especially if there have been a lot of deletions and movements of messages. Rebuilding Quick views happens on start-up and takes up to a minute. This is with v. 14.0.8050.1202, which I suppose is the same as yours despite what you write, also on XPSP3, with a database approaching 300MB and a message store of perhaps 150,000 messages. Either there is something fundamentally wrong with your installation or there's something else interfering. To sort out the first of these calls for a Scorched Earth clean install using Peter.R's procedure at http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com...90CA!226.entry The second could be something as simple as your AV or similar program laboriously checking every little disk write, or some other app you have installed that is not compatible with WLMail, or it could be something more sinister like malware. Sounds like you've got some troubleshooting to do. -- Noel "Gary H." wrote in message ... Found the problem underlying this situation. Quick view for mail will not function correctly at all until the database for all the unread news messages is completely rebuilt or indexed. not sure of the correct term. Problem with Windows live mail 2009 or version 14 is that this takes between one and two hours 10 messages at a time with a lot of stopping, starting and hanging. Further, this happens not just once but two to three times a day. Not using quick views at all is not a satisfactory option for me so uninstalled and went back to version 12, 2008. Much faster at this and only does an index once. Wish there was a way to turn off using quick views for news and keep it for mail only such as activate the grayed out show all news button in the quick views settings box. Anyone know of a tweak yet to do this. Of course the real solution in my mind would be to correct the problem of constantly re-indexing the quick views or speed up the process a lot. Thanks, Gary H. "Gary H." wrote in message ... Windows XP SP 3 Windows Live Mail Desktop Build 14.0.8050.1212 upgrade from version 12. No other live programs installed. Having a problem with Quick views using both the New mail view and the all Inbox view. First. Cannot delete messages from the quick view. Message remains and shows as new until close and open Live Mail Desktop. After attempting to delete an email Windows live mail desktop will not end with out going into task manager and manually ending the wlmail process. New mail will not appear in any quick view unless I have edited the registry as per the following link and instructions The Field Guide Repairing Windows Live Mail Quick Views Counter that I found in this newsgroup. New messages will then appear in quick views the first time Windows live mail is opened, however nothing after that first opening, unless of course the search folders version registry entry is deleted again. Tried the following. Compact all files Repair installation from the add remove programs list. Windows live essentials. (three times actually) Of course shut down and restart Windows. Anyone have this or similar problem and discovered a solution? Next step for me is a complete uninstall and reinstall. Thanks for any and all help. Gary H. |
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On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:35:07 +1100, "Bill"
wrote: "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... merciful snippage Pompous git! And a crossposting troll. Here's an extract from a rant just posted in soc.genealogy.medieval, another group that Hines is trying to destroy: "You are not going to convince Hines, for example, to change. He has played this role of throwing grenades into peaceful groups for a decade. He is not going to wake up one day, read a post pointing out how inappropriate his behavior is, and say, "Oh, yeah. I am acting like a jackass," and quit. He already knows he is acting like a jackass - that is his intent. He gets so much joy out of urinating on two groups to get them fighting with each other that he doesn't even care if he ends up coated with it himself. Long ago, he was a normal newsgroup participant, but then he went off the rails, and the sickness has been around too long now to be reversed. " .... "His behavior has long ago placed him beyond dignifying with response or engagement, as any thread he participates in invariably decays into crossposted nonsense" James |
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