This certainly amounts to a WHOLE lot of TROUBLE...

See Below...

Meanwhile NO USEFUL WORK is getting done on that computer.

Some of you people here just want to PLAY with your software, ferreting out
new bugs, gaffes and omissions, rather than employing it for USEFUL WORK.

Why not just deep-six WLM and install Forte Agent 5.00/32.1171 and save a
lot of grief?

Forte Agent 5.00/32.1171 works beautifully, smoothly and cleverly...

I haven't found a substantive bug yet...

It is very POWERFUL...

With many OPTIONS...

And the Interface is not DUMBED-DOWN to the LCD.

It's a pity Microsoft can't build something to compete with it as the
front-end for an OS -- the email client and newsreader.

Just from a MARKETING POV Microsoft needs to DO that...

Build a WINDOWS LIVE EXPRESS.
--
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum

"Ildhund" wrote in message
...

Gary, your experience is unusual, if not unique. There's been no other
post in this group describing anything like this. Writing newly-downloaded
message headers to the database takes a few seconds on shut-down.
Re-indexing (aka compacting) takes a little longer, especially if there
have been a lot of deletions and movements of messages. Rebuilding Quick
views happens on start-up and takes up to a minute. This is with v.
14.0.8050.1202, which I suppose is the same as yours despite what you
write, also on XPSP3, with a database approaching 300MB and a message
store of perhaps 150,000 messages.

Either there is something fundamentally wrong with your installation or
there's something else interfering. To sort out the first of these calls
for a Scorched Earth clean install using Peter.R's procedure at
http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com...90CA!226.entry
The second could be something as simple as your AV or similar program
laboriously checking every little disk write, or some other app you have
installed that is not compatible with WLMail, or it could be something
more sinister like malware. Sounds like you've got some troubleshooting to
do.
--
Noel

"Gary H." wrote in message
...

Found the problem underlying this situation.

Quick view for mail will not function correctly at all until the database
for all the unread news messages is completely rebuilt or indexed. not
sure of the correct term. Problem with Windows live mail 2009 or version
14 is that this takes between one and two hours 10 messages at a time
with a lot of stopping, starting and hanging. Further, this happens not
just once but two to three times a day. Not using quick views at all is
not a satisfactory option for me so uninstalled and went back to version
12, 2008. Much faster at this and only does an index once.

Wish there was a way to turn off using quick views for news and keep it
for mail only such as activate the grayed out show all news button in the
quick views settings box. Anyone know of a tweak yet to do this.

Of course the real solution in my mind would be to correct the problem of
constantly re-indexing the quick views or speed up the process a lot.

Thanks, Gary H.

"Gary H." wrote in message
...
Windows XP SP 3
Windows Live Mail Desktop Build 14.0.8050.1212 upgrade from version 12.
No other live programs installed.

Having a problem with Quick views using both the New mail view and the
all Inbox view.
First. Cannot delete messages from the quick view. Message remains and
shows as new until close and open Live Mail Desktop. After attempting to
delete an email Windows live mail desktop will not end with out going
into task manager and manually ending the wlmail process.

New mail will not appear in any quick view unless I have edited the
registry as per the following link and instructions The Field Guide
Repairing Windows Live Mail Quick Views Counter that I found in this
newsgroup. New messages will then appear in quick views the first time
Windows live mail is opened, however nothing after that first opening,
unless of course the search folders version registry entry is deleted
again.

Tried the following.
Compact all files
Repair installation from the add remove programs list. Windows live
essentials. (three times actually)
Of course shut down and restart Windows.

Anyone have this or similar problem and discovered a solution?
Next step for me is a complete uninstall and reinstall.

Thanks for any and all help.
Gary H.

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
This certainly amounts to a WHOLE lot of TROUBLE...

See Below...

Meanwhile NO USEFUL WORK is getting done on that computer.

Some of you people here just want to PLAY with your software, ferreting
out
new bugs, gaffes and omissions, rather than employing it for USEFUL WORK.

Why not just deep-six WLM and install Forte Agent 5.00/32.1171 and save a
lot of grief?

Forte Agent 5.00/32.1171 works beautifully, smoothly and cleverly...

I haven't found a substantive bug yet...

It is very POWERFUL...

With many OPTIONS...

And the Interface is not DUMBED-DOWN to the LCD.

It's a pity Microsoft can't build something to compete with it as the
front-end for an OS -- the email client and newsreader.

Just from a MARKETING POV Microsoft needs to DO that...

Build a WINDOWS LIVE EXPRESS.
--
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum

"Ildhund" wrote in message
...

Gary, your experience is unusual, if not unique. There's been no other
post in this group describing anything like this. Writing
newly-downloaded
message headers to the database takes a few seconds on shut-down.
Re-indexing (aka compacting) takes a little longer, especially if there
have been a lot of deletions and movements of messages. Rebuilding Quick
views happens on start-up and takes up to a minute. This is with v.
14.0.8050.1202, which I suppose is the same as yours despite what you
write, also on XPSP3, with a database approaching 300MB and a message
store of perhaps 150,000 messages.

Either there is something fundamentally wrong with your installation or
there's something else interfering. To sort out the first of these calls
for a Scorched Earth clean install using Peter.R's procedure at
http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com...90CA!226.entry
The second could be something as simple as your AV or similar program
laboriously checking every little disk write, or some other app you have
installed that is not compatible with WLMail, or it could be something
more sinister like malware. Sounds like you've got some troubleshooting
to
do.
--
Noel

"Gary H." wrote in message
...

Found the problem underlying this situation.

Quick view for mail will not function correctly at all until the
database
for all the unread news messages is completely rebuilt or indexed. not
sure of the correct term. Problem with Windows live mail 2009 or version
14 is that this takes between one and two hours 10 messages at a time
with a lot of stopping, starting and hanging. Further, this happens not
just once but two to three times a day. Not using quick views at all is
not a satisfactory option for me so uninstalled and went back to version
12, 2008. Much faster at this and only does an index once.

Wish there was a way to turn off using quick views for news and keep it
for mail only such as activate the grayed out show all news button in
the
quick views settings box. Anyone know of a tweak yet to do this.

Of course the real solution in my mind would be to correct the problem
of
constantly re-indexing the quick views or speed up the process a lot.

Thanks, Gary H.

"Gary H." wrote in message
...
Windows XP SP 3
Windows Live Mail Desktop Build 14.0.8050.1212 upgrade from version
12.
No other live programs installed.

Having a problem with Quick views using both the New mail view and the
all Inbox view.
First. Cannot delete messages from the quick view. Message remains and
shows as new until close and open Live Mail Desktop. After attempting
to
delete an email Windows live mail desktop will not end with out going
into task manager and manually ending the wlmail process.

New mail will not appear in any quick view unless I have edited the
registry as per the following link and instructions The Field Guide
Repairing Windows Live Mail Quick Views Counter that I found in this
newsgroup. New messages will then appear in quick views the first time
Windows live mail is opened, however nothing after that first opening,
unless of course the search folders version registry entry is deleted
again.

Tried the following.
Compact all files
Repair installation from the add remove programs list. Windows live
essentials. (three times actually)
Of course shut down and restart Windows.

Anyone have this or similar problem and discovered a solution?
Next step for me is a complete uninstall and reinstall.

Thanks for any and all help.
Gary H.



Pompous git!

Isn't that the same as 'the tail wagging the dog?" or more generally
just "plain bad advice?" I have been a registered Agent user since
v1.93 and currently use Agent v1.42. To pass Agent off as an easy to
use app is total misrepresentation. As just one example (of many) the
filters mechanism and language in Agent (since v.99) is as unfriendly
and cryptic as ancient hieroglyphics. I sure would NOT say that Agent
(any version) "works beautifully, smoothly and cleverly..." because
it DOES NOT. Agent is written by geeks , for geeks, and is generally
lauded and touted by it's small but devoted geek user base. Agent
also still looks like the 1995 era app that it was born as. It's
butt-ugly and not a pleasure to see and visually associate with.

I DO AGREE with you that since v1.93 Agent has been very nearly a
perfectly running app.. that is, with all my criticism aside, it is a
faithful trooper, reliable and predictable. I use it everyday but
ONLY for it's yENC compatibility and for it's automatic multi-part
binary joining. I have over the past decade not had a single
performance issue with Agent. Agent is not user-friendly and the
filters are just one example. It's additions recently of 'desks',
'personas', and 'nested folders', has further relegated Agent forever
to the confines of 'geek software' and alienates it from all but true
'nerd heads'. It has a very steep learning curve. As such it has in
it's quest to be the end-all news / email client removed itself from
any mass appeal. It is needlessly complicated.
My $.02.

-ps posted with Windows Live Mail

Charlie

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
This certainly amounts to a WHOLE lot of TROUBLE...

See Below...

Meanwhile NO USEFUL WORK is getting done on that computer.

Some of you people here just want to PLAY with your software,
ferreting out
new bugs, gaffes and omissions, rather than employing it for USEFUL
WORK.

Why not just deep-six WLM and install Forte Agent 5.00/32.1171 and
save a
lot of grief?

Forte Agent 5.00/32.1171 works beautifully, smoothly and
cleverly...

I haven't found a substantive bug yet...

It is very POWERFUL...

With many OPTIONS...

And the Interface is not DUMBED-DOWN to the LCD.

It's a pity Microsoft can't build something to compete with it as
the
front-end for an OS -- the email client and newsreader.

Just from a MARKETING POV Microsoft needs to DO that...

Build a WINDOWS LIVE EXPRESS.
--
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum

"Ildhund" wrote in message
...

Gary, your experience is unusual, if not unique. There's been no
other
post in this group describing anything like this. Writing
newly-downloaded
message headers to the database takes a few seconds on shut-down.
Re-indexing (aka compacting) takes a little longer, especially if
there
have been a lot of deletions and movements of messages. Rebuilding
Quick
views happens on start-up and takes up to a minute. This is with
v.
14.0.8050.1202, which I suppose is the same as yours despite what
you
write, also on XPSP3, with a database approaching 300MB and a
message
store of perhaps 150,000 messages.

Either there is something fundamentally wrong with your
installation or
there's something else interfering. To sort out the first of these
calls
for a Scorched Earth clean install using Peter.R's procedure at
http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com...90CA!226.entry
The second could be something as simple as your AV or similar
program
laboriously checking every little disk write, or some other app
you have
installed that is not compatible with WLMail, or it could be
something
more sinister like malware. Sounds like you've got some
troubleshooting to
do.
--
Noel

"Gary H." wrote in message
...

Found the problem underlying this situation.

Quick view for mail will not function correctly at all until the
database
for all the unread news messages is completely rebuilt or
indexed. not
sure of the correct term. Problem with Windows live mail 2009 or
version
14 is that this takes between one and two hours 10 messages at a
time
with a lot of stopping, starting and hanging. Further, this
happens not
just once but two to three times a day. Not using quick views at
all is
not a satisfactory option for me so uninstalled and went back to
version
12, 2008. Much faster at this and only does an index once.

Wish there was a way to turn off using quick views for news and
keep it
for mail only such as activate the grayed out show all news
button in the
quick views settings box. Anyone know of a tweak yet to do this.

Of course the real solution in my mind would be to correct the
problem of
constantly re-indexing the quick views or speed up the process a
lot.

Thanks, Gary H.

"Gary H." wrote in message
...
Windows XP SP 3
Windows Live Mail Desktop Build 14.0.8050.1212 upgrade from
version 12.
No other live programs installed.

Having a problem with Quick views using both the New mail view
and the
all Inbox view.
First. Cannot delete messages from the quick view. Message
remains and
shows as new until close and open Live Mail Desktop. After
attempting to
delete an email Windows live mail desktop will not end with out
going
into task manager and manually ending the wlmail process.

New mail will not appear in any quick view unless I have edited
the
registry as per the following link and instructions The Field
Guide
Repairing Windows Live Mail Quick Views Counter that I found in
this
newsgroup. New messages will then appear in quick views the
first time
Windows live mail is opened, however nothing after that first
opening,
unless of course the search folders version registry entry is
deleted
again.

Tried the following.
Compact all files
Repair installation from the add remove programs list. Windows
live
essentials. (three times actually)
Of course shut down and restart Windows.

Anyone have this or similar problem and discovered a solution?
Next step for me is a complete uninstall and reinstall.

Thanks for any and all help.
Gary H.

On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:35:07 +1100, "Bill"
wrote:

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
merciful snippage

Pompous git!

And a crossposting troll.

Here's an extract from a rant just posted in
soc.genealogy.medieval, another group that Hines is trying to
destroy:

"You are not going to convince Hines, for example, to change. He
has played this role of throwing grenades into peaceful groups
for a decade. He is not going to wake up one day, read a post
pointing out how inappropriate his behavior is, and say, "Oh,
yeah. I am acting like a jackass," and quit. He already knows he
is acting like a jackass - that is his intent. He gets so much
joy out of urinating on two groups to get them fighting with each
other that he doesn't even care if he ends up coated with it
himself. Long ago, he was a normal newsgroup participant, but
then he went off the rails, and the sickness has been around too
long now to be reversed. "
....
"His behavior has long ago placed him beyond dignifying with
response or engagement, as any thread he participates in
invariably decays into crossposted nonsense"

James