Rubbish & Codswallop...

The developers of Outlook Express properly understood the implicit "Send
Later" Function.

Compare it to the Paper World which preceded the Cybernetic World.

Busy executive reviews point paper written for CEO, signs it and puts it in
his Outbox for secretary to pick up and deliver.

Then he receives phone call from close friend and colleague who tells him
New Important Information.

So, he picks up point paper from Outbox, makes ink changes and sends it to
secretary for retyping.

Outlook Express worked just fine on that model...

A message in the Outbox was NOT sent immediately if the "Send messages
immediately" box was UNCHECKED.

But it WAS sent when _Send and Receive All_ was clicked later.

WLM should do the same.

DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor

"Gary VanderMolen" wrote in message
...

The Outbox was never meant as a holding place from which you
can re-edit messages. That's what the Drafts folder is for.
You relied on sloppy coding in OE to get away with that practice.
--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...

No...

That's not the way I want to do it.

I click _Send_ and the spellcheck is performed then the message winds up
in
the Outbox.

The software should respond to user commands -- not arbitrarily dictate
sequencing -- in this case.

It works fine in Outlook Express.

Why were counterproductive changes made in WLM?...

And precisely what changes were made?

DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor

"Ron Sommer" wrote in message
...

If you are going to edit the post, then click Close, then click yes to
save to Drafts. Open from Drafts, edit, and send.
--
Ronald Sommer

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...

"Ron Sommer" wrote in message
...

My previous post was sitting in the Outbox. It did not send as it
should have. I opened the Outbox and the post was displayed in the
message list and in the Preview pane. I clicked Sync and the post sent
and "There is no message selected." appeared in the message list and
the
Preview pane. The post was sent while previewing it.

Altered as in made any changes after you selected the post in the
Outbox.

Yes, edited and then sent back to the Outbox again.

DSH

--
Ronald Sommer

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...

"Ron Sommer" wrote in message
...

Are you referring to newsgroup posts or emails or both?

Both email and newsgroup posts -- in WLM. I'm sending this from OE.

Are these messages or posts that you have altered?

Altered? How?

If I am reading a lot of messages in a newsgroup, I sometimes have
posts that do not send immediately from the Outbox.

I do not know if my firewall has closed the connection to the news
server or something else is happening.

Clicking Sync will send the posts.

No, that doesn't work for me. But much later, often hours, the post
will eventually be sent when I click on Sync.

It's curious. I can click on Sync half a dozen times and no joy --
nor
do I see the notation, of this sort -- "One messages [sic] to upload
to
msnews.microsoft.com" in Details.

Then, several hours later, the ruddy message ["One messages [sic] to
upload" appears in Details -- and the message will be sent, when I
click on Sync.
--
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
--
Ronald Sommer

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...

I prefer to review them one more time before sending -- so I've
unchecked that.

Works fine in OE.

But perhaps WLM gets confused and doesn't send the message when I
give the command later?
--
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor

"Gary VanderMolen" wrote in message
...

No, that has never happened to me. I have the option "Send
messages immediately" selected. My broadband connection
is always on.
--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...

Does anyone experience this phenomenon, periodically, where
messages
just
stick in the WLM Outbox -- and refuse to be sent?
--
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor

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"D. Spencer Hines" escribió en el mensaje de
noticias ...
Rubbish & Codswallop...

The developers of Outlook Express properly understood the implicit "Send
Later" Function.

Compare it to the Paper World which preceded the Cybernetic World.

Busy executive reviews point paper written for CEO, signs it and puts it
in
his Outbox for secretary to pick up and deliver.

Then he receives phone call from close friend and colleague who tells him
New Important Information.

So, he picks up point paper from Outbox, makes ink changes and sends it to
secretary for retyping.

Outlook Express worked just fine on that model...

A message in the Outbox was NOT sent immediately if the "Send messages
immediately" box was UNCHECKED.

But it WAS sent when _Send and Receive All_ was clicked later.

WLM should do the same.

DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor

"Gary VanderMolen" wrote in message
...

The Outbox was never meant as a holding place from which you
can re-edit messages. That's what the Drafts folder is for.
You relied on sloppy coding in OE to get away with that practice.
--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...

No...

That's not the way I want to do it.

I click _Send_ and the spellcheck is performed then the message winds up
in
the Outbox.

The software should respond to user commands -- not arbitrarily dictate
sequencing -- in this case.

It works fine in Outlook Express.

Why were counterproductive changes made in WLM?...

And precisely what changes were made?

DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor

"Ron Sommer" wrote in message
...

If you are going to edit the post, then click Close, then click yes to
save to Drafts. Open from Drafts, edit, and send.
--
Ronald Sommer

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...

"Ron Sommer" wrote in message
...

My previous post was sitting in the Outbox. It did not send as it
should have. I opened the Outbox and the post was displayed in the
message list and in the Preview pane. I clicked Sync and the post
sent
and "There is no message selected." appeared in the message list and
the
Preview pane. The post was sent while previewing it.

Altered as in made any changes after you selected the post in the
Outbox.

Yes, edited and then sent back to the Outbox again.

DSH

--
Ronald Sommer

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...

"Ron Sommer" wrote in message
...

Are you referring to newsgroup posts or emails or both?

Both email and newsgroup posts -- in WLM. I'm sending this from OE.

Are these messages or posts that you have altered?

Altered? How?

If I am reading a lot of messages in a newsgroup, I sometimes have
posts that do not send immediately from the Outbox.

I do not know if my firewall has closed the connection to the news
server or something else is happening.

Clicking Sync will send the posts.

No, that doesn't work for me. But much later, often hours, the post
will eventually be sent when I click on Sync.

It's curious. I can click on Sync half a dozen times and no joy --
nor
do I see the notation, of this sort -- "One messages [sic] to upload
to
msnews.microsoft.com" in Details.

Then, several hours later, the ruddy message ["One messages [sic] to
upload" appears in Details -- and the message will be sent, when I
click on Sync.
--
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
--
Ronald Sommer

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...

I prefer to review them one more time before sending -- so I've
unchecked that.

Works fine in OE.

But perhaps WLM gets confused and doesn't send the message when I
give the command later?
--
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor

"Gary VanderMolen" wrote in message
...

No, that has never happened to me. I have the option "Send
messages immediately" selected. My broadband connection
is always on.
--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...

Does anyone experience this phenomenon, periodically, where
messages
just
stick in the WLM Outbox -- and refuse to be sent?
--
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
| Rubbish & Codswallop...

Nice and accurate summary of your posts ?

You friggin crossposting Troll. You are playing games with everyone. You know
exactly what you are doing. Go and play somewhere else and not in these newsgroups.

--
Peter

Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
Rubbish & Codswallop...

The developers of Outlook Express properly understood the implicit "Send Later"
Function.

Compare it to the Paper World which preceded the Cybernetic World.

Busy executive reviews point paper written for CEO, signs it and puts it in
his Outbox for secretary to pick up and deliver.

Then he receives phone call from close friend and colleague who tells him
New Important Information.

So, he picks up point paper from Outbox, makes ink changes and sends it to
secretary for retyping.

Outlook Express worked just fine on that model...

A message in the Outbox was NOT sent immediately if the "Send messages
immediately" box was UNCHECKED.

But it WAS sent when _Send and Receive All_ was clicked later.

WLM should do the same.

DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor

"Gary VanderMolen" wrote in message
...

The Outbox was never meant as a holding place from which you
can re-edit messages. That's what the Drafts folder is for.
You relied on sloppy coding in OE to get away with that practice.
--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...

No...

That's not the way I want to do it.

I click _Send_ and the spellcheck is performed then the message winds up in
the Outbox.

The software should respond to user commands -- not arbitrarily dictate
sequencing -- in this case.

It works fine in Outlook Express.

Why were counterproductive changes made in WLM?...

And precisely what changes were made?

DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor

"Ron Sommer" wrote in message
...

If you are going to edit the post, then click Close, then click yes to
save to Drafts. Open from Drafts, edit, and send.
--
Ronald Sommer

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...

"Ron Sommer" wrote in message
...

My previous post was sitting in the Outbox. It did not send as it
should have. I opened the Outbox and the post was displayed in the
message list and in the Preview pane. I clicked Sync and the post sent
and "There is no message selected." appeared in the message list and the
Preview pane. The post was sent while previewing it.

Altered as in made any changes after you selected the post in the
Outbox.

Yes, edited and then sent back to the Outbox again.

DSH

--
Ronald Sommer

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...

"Ron Sommer" wrote in message
...

Are you referring to newsgroup posts or emails or both?

Both email and newsgroup posts -- in WLM. I'm sending this from OE.

Are these messages or posts that you have altered?

Altered? How?

If I am reading a lot of messages in a newsgroup, I sometimes have
posts that do not send immediately from the Outbox.

I do not know if my firewall has closed the connection to the news
server or something else is happening.

Clicking Sync will send the posts.

No, that doesn't work for me. But much later, often hours, the post
will eventually be sent when I click on Sync.

It's curious. I can click on Sync half a dozen times and no joy -- nor
do I see the notation, of this sort -- "One messages [sic] to upload to
msnews.microsoft.com" in Details.

Then, several hours later, the ruddy message ["One messages [sic] to
upload" appears in Details -- and the message will be sent, when I
click on Sync.
--
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
--
Ronald Sommer

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...

I prefer to review them one more time before sending -- so I've
unchecked that.

Works fine in OE.

But perhaps WLM gets confused and doesn't send the message when I
give the command later?
--
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor

"Gary VanderMolen" wrote in message
...

No, that has never happened to me. I have the option "Send
messages immediately" selected. My broadband connection
is always on.
--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...

Does anyone experience this phenomenon, periodically, where messages
just
stick in the WLM Outbox -- and refuse to be sent?
--
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor

Very unprofessional...

Very unprofessional indeed.

DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor

"Peter Foldes" wrote in message
...

You friggin crossposting Troll. You are playing games with everyone. You
know exactly what you are doing. Go and play somewhere else and not in
these newsgroups.

--
Peter

Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...

Rubbish & Codswallop...

The developers of Outlook Express properly understood the implicit "Send
Later" Function.

Compare it to the Paper World which preceded the Cybernetic World.

Busy executive reviews point paper written for CEO, signs it and puts it
in
his Outbox for secretary to pick up and deliver.

Then he receives phone call from close friend and colleague who tells him
New Important Information.

So, he picks up point paper from Outbox, makes ink changes and sends it
to
secretary for retyping.

Outlook Express worked just fine on that model...

A message in the Outbox was NOT sent immediately if the "Send messages
immediately" box was UNCHECKED.

But it WAS sent when _Send and Receive All_ was clicked later.

WLM should do the same.

DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor

"Gary VanderMolen" wrote in message
...

The Outbox was never meant as a holding place from which you
can re-edit messages. That's what the Drafts folder is for.
You relied on sloppy coding in OE to get away with that practice.
--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...

No...

That's not the way I want to do it.

I click _Send_ and the spellcheck is performed then the message winds up
in
the Outbox.

The software should respond to user commands -- not arbitrarily dictate
sequencing -- in this case.

It works fine in Outlook Express.

Why were counterproductive changes made in WLM?...

And precisely what changes were made?

DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor

"Ron Sommer" wrote in message
...

If you are going to edit the post, then click Close, then click yes to
save to Drafts. Open from Drafts, edit, and send.
--
Ronald Sommer

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...

"Ron Sommer" wrote in message
...

My previous post was sitting in the Outbox. It did not send as it
should have. I opened the Outbox and the post was displayed in the
message list and in the Preview pane. I clicked Sync and the post
sent
and "There is no message selected." appeared in the message list and
the
Preview pane. The post was sent while previewing it.

Altered as in made any changes after you selected the post in the
Outbox.

Yes, edited and then sent back to the Outbox again.

DSH

--
Ronald Sommer

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...

"Ron Sommer" wrote in message
...

Are you referring to newsgroup posts or emails or both?

Both email and newsgroup posts -- in WLM. I'm sending this from OE.

Are these messages or posts that you have altered?

Altered? How?

If I am reading a lot of messages in a newsgroup, I sometimes have
posts that do not send immediately from the Outbox.

I do not know if my firewall has closed the connection to the news
server or something else is happening.

Clicking Sync will send the posts.

No, that doesn't work for me. But much later, often hours, the post
will eventually be sent when I click on Sync.

It's curious. I can click on Sync half a dozen times and no joy --
nor
do I see the notation, of this sort -- "One messages [sic] to upload
to
msnews.microsoft.com" in Details.

Then, several hours later, the ruddy message ["One messages [sic] to
upload" appears in Details -- and the message will be sent, when I
click on Sync.
--
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
--
Ronald Sommer

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...

I prefer to review them one more time before sending -- so I've
unchecked that.

Works fine in OE.

But perhaps WLM gets confused and doesn't send the message when I
give the command later?
--
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor

"Gary VanderMolen" wrote in message
...

No, that has never happened to me. I have the option "Send
messages immediately" selected. My broadband connection
is always on.
--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...

Does anyone experience this phenomenon, periodically, where
messages
just stick in the WLM Outbox -- and refuse to be sent?
--
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor

With you anytime Troll

--
Peter

Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
Very unprofessional...

Very unprofessional indeed.

DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor

"Peter Foldes" wrote in message
...

You friggin crossposting Troll. You are playing games with everyone. You know
exactly what you are doing. Go and play somewhere else and not in these
newsgroups.

--
Peter

Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...

Rubbish & Codswallop...

The developers of Outlook Express properly understood the implicit "Send Later"
Function.

Compare it to the Paper World which preceded the Cybernetic World.

Busy executive reviews point paper written for CEO, signs it and puts it in
his Outbox for secretary to pick up and deliver.

Then he receives phone call from close friend and colleague who tells him
New Important Information.

So, he picks up point paper from Outbox, makes ink changes and sends it to
secretary for retyping.

Outlook Express worked just fine on that model...

A message in the Outbox was NOT sent immediately if the "Send messages
immediately" box was UNCHECKED.

But it WAS sent when _Send and Receive All_ was clicked later.

WLM should do the same.

DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor

"Gary VanderMolen" wrote in message
...

The Outbox was never meant as a holding place from which you
can re-edit messages. That's what the Drafts folder is for.
You relied on sloppy coding in OE to get away with that practice.
--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...

No...

That's not the way I want to do it.

I click _Send_ and the spellcheck is performed then the message winds up in
the Outbox.

The software should respond to user commands -- not arbitrarily dictate
sequencing -- in this case.

It works fine in Outlook Express.

Why were counterproductive changes made in WLM?...

And precisely what changes were made?

DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor

"Ron Sommer" wrote in message
...

If you are going to edit the post, then click Close, then click yes to
save to Drafts. Open from Drafts, edit, and send.
--
Ronald Sommer

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...

"Ron Sommer" wrote in message
...

My previous post was sitting in the Outbox. It did not send as it
should have. I opened the Outbox and the post was displayed in the
message list and in the Preview pane. I clicked Sync and the post sent
and "There is no message selected." appeared in the message list and the
Preview pane. The post was sent while previewing it.

Altered as in made any changes after you selected the post in the
Outbox.

Yes, edited and then sent back to the Outbox again.

DSH

--
Ronald Sommer

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...

"Ron Sommer" wrote in message
...

Are you referring to newsgroup posts or emails or both?

Both email and newsgroup posts -- in WLM. I'm sending this from OE.

Are these messages or posts that you have altered?

Altered? How?

If I am reading a lot of messages in a newsgroup, I sometimes have
posts that do not send immediately from the Outbox.

I do not know if my firewall has closed the connection to the news
server or something else is happening.

Clicking Sync will send the posts.

No, that doesn't work for me. But much later, often hours, the post
will eventually be sent when I click on Sync.

It's curious. I can click on Sync half a dozen times and no joy -- nor
do I see the notation, of this sort -- "One messages [sic] to upload to
msnews.microsoft.com" in Details.

Then, several hours later, the ruddy message ["One messages [sic] to
upload" appears in Details -- and the message will be sent, when I
click on Sync.
--
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
--
Ronald Sommer

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...

I prefer to review them one more time before sending -- so I've
unchecked that.

Works fine in OE.

But perhaps WLM gets confused and doesn't send the message when I
give the command later?
--
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor

"Gary VanderMolen" wrote in message
...

No, that has never happened to me. I have the option "Send
messages immediately" selected. My broadband connection
is always on.
--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...

Does anyone experience this phenomenon, periodically, where messages
just stick in the WLM Outbox -- and refuse to be sent?
--
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor