Bill

Is the directdb.dll error occuring with the new or old identity or both?

Have you made the new identity the one that opens when you start Outlook
Express?

Have you previously stored any folders on CD? Have you checked the
properties of the folders in Windows Explorer to see whether any are
Read Only?


--


Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Bill Bradshaw wrote:
Yes I am. I tried PA Bear's suggestions and went to the Microsoft
site and followed the compacting all suggestions such as closing the
folder view, making sure my virus program was not checking emails,
working offline, and compacting all and I still get the directdb.dll
error. I will try a new indentity again tomorrow.

"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
...
Are you are still getting the directdb.dll error?
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA


"Bill Bradshaw" wrote in message
...
I all ready tried creating a new identity and in fact am using it
now. I will try this again tomorrow. The problem is that it is
differenct folders everytime and of course once it happens on a
folder OE then stops and has to be shut down usually through the
task manager. --
Bill

Brought to you from Anchorage, Alaska.

"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
...
Is this happening to every folder, or a select few? If the latter,
create new folders, move the messages to them and then compact. If
it is happening to many folders, create a new identity. Import the
messages and try compacting there. If successful, just use the new
named identity.
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA


"Bill Bradshaw" wrote in message
...
Using File-Folder-Compact folder by individual folder blew up
the 3rd email folder I tried it on. Compacting has worked
reliably for years and now it can no longer be trusted. I am
still open to suggestions. --
Bill

Brought to you from Anchorage, Alaska.

"Bill Bradshaw" wrote in message
...
I did try his offline, File-Folder-Compact All Folders and what
happened is it started messing up my email folders and I can not
have that. Fortunately I keep a backup so I was able restore the
folders that were damaged. That is why I am only doing
newsgroups. I am going to set through each folder, both email
and news groups, and compact them individually and see if this
helps. --
Bill

Brought to you from Anchorage, Alaska.

"Gerry" wrote in message
...
Bill

If only newsgroups are compacted it would seem you are selecting
Tools, Options, Maintenance. CleanUp Now, Compact. That is not
what Bruce was recommending.
--
Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Bill Bradshaw wrote:
Bruce Hagen wrote:
Head this and it should reduce the chance of a reoccurrence.

General precautions for Outlook Express:

Do not archive mail in the Inbox or Sent Items. Create your
own user
defined folders and move the messages you wish to save to
them. Empty
Deleted Items folder daily. Although dbx files have a
theoretical capacity of 2GB, I recommend about a 300MB max
for less chance of corruption.
Information about the maximum file size of the .dbx files
that are used by Outlook Express:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=903095

After you are done, follow up by compacting your folders
manually while working *offline* and do it often.

Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so no
folders
are open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click Working
Online in the Status Bar). File | Folder | Compact all
folders. Don't touch
anything until the compacting is completed.

Turn off e-mail scanning in your anti-virus program. It is a
redundant layer of protection that eats up CPUs and causes a
multitude of problems such as time-outs and account setting
changes.
Your up-to-date A/V program will continue to protect you
sufficiently. For more, see:
http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3 In Tools | Options |
Maintenance: Uncheck Compact messages in
background and leave it unchecked. {N/A if running XP/SP2}.

And backup often.

Outlook Express Quick Backup (OEQB Freeware)
http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/Default.aspx

"Bill Bradshaw" wrote in message
...
I built a new identity and it finally compacted after
stopping a couple of times. Hopefully maybe it will now
start workingr reliably.

I follow all the suggestions at 903095 already. I do not keep
anything in my inbox, send, delete, etc. I do a manual compact
everday while offline and the only thing compacted are the news
groups and I only keep 12 days worth of message in those
folders (the
largest newsgroup file is 700 kB). One dbx file in my email
section is 57 mB. So it is not file size. This is really
strange. Fortunately my saved emails are not affected and it
just means I have
to re-download 12 days of the messages in the newgroup(s) that
are impacted by the compacting problem. I also keep my
messages in a subdirectory on partition E so they are not
mixed in with alot of other stuff.

New and old.

Have made it the default indentity.

Have not stored on CDs and none are read only.

Need to get through my mail and then will start with another new identity.
--
Bill

Brought to you from Anchorage, Alaska.

Gerry wrote:
Bill

Is the directdb.dll error occuring with the new or old identity or
both?
Have you made the new identity the one that opens when you start
Outlook Express?

Have you previously stored any folders on CD? Have you checked the
properties of the folders in Windows Explorer to see whether any are
Read Only?



Bill Bradshaw wrote:
Yes I am. I tried PA Bear's suggestions and went to the Microsoft
site and followed the compacting all suggestions such as closing the
folder view, making sure my virus program was not checking emails,
working offline, and compacting all and I still get the directdb.dll
error. I will try a new indentity again tomorrow.

"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
...
Are you are still getting the directdb.dll error?
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA


"Bill Bradshaw" wrote in message
...
I all ready tried creating a new identity and in fact am using it
now. I will try this again tomorrow. The problem is that it is
differenct folders everytime and of course once it happens on a
folder OE then stops and has to be shut down usually through the
task manager. --
Bill

Brought to you from Anchorage, Alaska.

"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
...
Is this happening to every folder, or a select few? If the latter,
create new folders, move the messages to them and then compact. If
it is happening to many folders, create a new identity. Import the
messages and try compacting there. If successful, just use the new
named identity.
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA


"Bill Bradshaw" wrote in message
...
Using File-Folder-Compact folder by individual folder blew up
the 3rd email folder I tried it on. Compacting has worked
reliably for years and now it can no longer be trusted. I am
still open to suggestions. --
Bill

Brought to you from Anchorage, Alaska.

"Bill Bradshaw" wrote in message
...
I did try his offline, File-Folder-Compact All Folders and
what happened is it started messing up my email folders and I
can not have that. Fortunately I keep a backup so I was able
restore the folders that were damaged. That is why I am only
doing newsgroups. I am going to set through each folder, both
email and news groups, and compact them individually and see if
this helps. --
Bill

Brought to you from Anchorage, Alaska.

"Gerry" wrote in message
...
Bill

If only newsgroups are compacted it would seem you are
selecting Tools, Options, Maintenance. CleanUp Now, Compact.
That is not what Bruce was recommending.
--
Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Bill Bradshaw wrote:
Bruce Hagen wrote:
Head this and it should reduce the chance of a reoccurrence.

General precautions for Outlook Express:

Do not archive mail in the Inbox or Sent Items. Create your
own user
defined folders and move the messages you wish to save to
them. Empty
Deleted Items folder daily. Although dbx files have a
theoretical capacity of 2GB, I recommend about a 300MB max
for less chance of corruption.
Information about the maximum file size of the .dbx files
that are used by Outlook Express:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=903095

After you are done, follow up by compacting your folders
manually while working *offline* and do it often.

Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so no
folders
are open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click Working
Online in the Status Bar). File | Folder | Compact all
folders. Don't touch
anything until the compacting is completed.

Turn off e-mail scanning in your anti-virus program. It is a
redundant layer of protection that eats up CPUs and causes a
multitude of problems such as time-outs and account setting
changes.
Your up-to-date A/V program will continue to protect you
sufficiently. For more, see:
http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3 In Tools | Options |
Maintenance: Uncheck Compact messages in
background and leave it unchecked. {N/A if running XP/SP2}.

And backup often.

Outlook Express Quick Backup (OEQB Freeware)
http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/Default.aspx

"Bill Bradshaw" wrote in message
...
I built a new identity and it finally compacted after
stopping a couple of times. Hopefully maybe it will now
start workingr reliably.

I follow all the suggestions at 903095 already. I do not keep
anything in my inbox, send, delete, etc. I do a manual
compact everday while offline and the only thing compacted
are the news groups and I only keep 12 days worth of message
in those folders (the
largest newsgroup file is 700 kB). One dbx file in my email
section is 57 mB. So it is not file size. This is really
strange. Fortunately my saved emails are not affected and it
just means I have
to re-download 12 days of the messages in the newgroup(s) that
are impacted by the compacting problem. I also keep my
messages in a subdirectory on partition E so they are not
mixed in with alot of other stuff.

Bill

Does any of your archived mail predate the introduction of OE6? Thus
have you imported folders using the OE6 option when you should have used
the OE5 option or earlier?


--


Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



Bill Bradshaw wrote:
New and old.

Have made it the default indentity.

Have not stored on CDs and none are read only.

Need to get through my mail and then will start with another new
identity.
Gerry wrote:
Bill

Is the directdb.dll error occuring with the new or old identity or
both?
Have you made the new identity the one that opens when you start
Outlook Express?

Have you previously stored any folders on CD? Have you checked the
properties of the folders in Windows Explorer to see whether any are
Read Only?



Bill Bradshaw wrote:
Yes I am. I tried PA Bear's suggestions and went to the Microsoft
site and followed the compacting all suggestions such as closing the
folder view, making sure my virus program was not checking emails,
working offline, and compacting all and I still get the directdb.dll
error. I will try a new indentity again tomorrow.

"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
...
Are you are still getting the directdb.dll error?
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA


"Bill Bradshaw" wrote in message
...
I all ready tried creating a new identity and in fact am using it
now. I will try this again tomorrow. The problem is that it is
differenct folders everytime and of course once it happens on a
folder OE then stops and has to be shut down usually through the
task manager. --
Bill

Brought to you from Anchorage, Alaska.

"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
...
Is this happening to every folder, or a select few? If the
latter, create new folders, move the messages to them and then
compact. If it is happening to many folders, create a new
identity. Import the messages and try compacting there. If
successful, just use the new named identity.
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA


"Bill Bradshaw" wrote in message
...
Using File-Folder-Compact folder by individual folder blew up
the 3rd email folder I tried it on. Compacting has worked
reliably for years and now it can no longer be trusted. I am
still open to suggestions. --
Bill

Brought to you from Anchorage, Alaska.

"Bill Bradshaw" wrote in message
...
I did try his offline, File-Folder-Compact All Folders and
what happened is it started messing up my email folders and I
can not have that. Fortunately I keep a backup so I was able
restore the folders that were damaged. That is why I am only
doing newsgroups. I am going to set through each folder, both
email and news groups, and compact them individually and see if
this helps. --
Bill

Brought to you from Anchorage, Alaska.

"Gerry" wrote in message
...
Bill

If only newsgroups are compacted it would seem you are
selecting Tools, Options, Maintenance. CleanUp Now, Compact.
That is not what Bruce was recommending.
--
Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Bill Bradshaw wrote:
Bruce Hagen wrote:
Head this and it should reduce the chance of a reoccurrence.

General precautions for Outlook Express:

Do not archive mail in the Inbox or Sent Items. Create your
own user
defined folders and move the messages you wish to save to
them. Empty
Deleted Items folder daily. Although dbx files have a
theoretical capacity of 2GB, I recommend about a 300MB max
for less chance of corruption.
Information about the maximum file size of the .dbx files
that are used by Outlook Express:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=903095

After you are done, follow up by compacting your folders
manually while working *offline* and do it often.

Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so no
folders
are open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click Working
Online in the Status Bar). File | Folder | Compact all
folders. Don't touch
anything until the compacting is completed.

Turn off e-mail scanning in your anti-virus program. It is a
redundant layer of protection that eats up CPUs and causes a
multitude of problems such as time-outs and account setting
changes.
Your up-to-date A/V program will continue to protect you
sufficiently. For more, see:
http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3 In Tools | Options |
Maintenance: Uncheck Compact messages in
background and leave it unchecked. {N/A if running XP/SP2}.

And backup often.

Outlook Express Quick Backup (OEQB Freeware)
http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/Default.aspx

"Bill Bradshaw" wrote in message
...
I built a new identity and it finally compacted after
stopping a couple of times. Hopefully maybe it will now
start workingr reliably.

I follow all the suggestions at 903095 already. I do not
keep anything in my inbox, send, delete, etc. I do a manual
compact everday while offline and the only thing compacted
are the news groups and I only keep 12 days worth of message
in those folders (the
largest newsgroup file is 700 kB). One dbx file in my email
section is 57 mB. So it is not file size. This is really
strange. Fortunately my saved emails are not affected and it
just means I have
to re-download 12 days of the messages in the newgroup(s)
that are impacted by the compacting problem. I also keep my
messages in a subdirectory on partition E so they are not
mixed in with alot of other stuff.

OE 5 and 6 both use dbx files, so there is no difference.
OE 4 used different files.
--
Ron Sommer

"Gerry" wrote in message
...
Bill

Does any of your archived mail predate the introduction of OE6? Thus have
you imported folders using the OE6 option when you should have used the
OE5 option or earlier?


--


Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



Bill Bradshaw wrote:
New and old.

Have made it the default indentity.

Have not stored on CDs and none are read only.

Need to get through my mail and then will start with another new
identity.
Gerry wrote:
Bill

Is the directdb.dll error occuring with the new or old identity or
both?
Have you made the new identity the one that opens when you start
Outlook Express?

Have you previously stored any folders on CD? Have you checked the
properties of the folders in Windows Explorer to see whether any are
Read Only?



Bill Bradshaw wrote:
Yes I am. I tried PA Bear's suggestions and went to the Microsoft
site and followed the compacting all suggestions such as closing the
folder view, making sure my virus program was not checking emails,
working offline, and compacting all and I still get the directdb.dll
error. I will try a new indentity again tomorrow.

"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
...
Are you are still getting the directdb.dll error?
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA


"Bill Bradshaw" wrote in message
...
I all ready tried creating a new identity and in fact am using it
now. I will try this again tomorrow. The problem is that it is
differenct folders everytime and of course once it happens on a
folder OE then stops and has to be shut down usually through the
task manager. --
Bill

Brought to you from Anchorage, Alaska.

"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
...
Is this happening to every folder, or a select few? If the
latter, create new folders, move the messages to them and then
compact. If it is happening to many folders, create a new
identity. Import the messages and try compacting there. If
successful, just use the new named identity.
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA


"Bill Bradshaw" wrote in message
...
Using File-Folder-Compact folder by individual folder blew up
the 3rd email folder I tried it on. Compacting has worked
reliably for years and now it can no longer be trusted. I am
still open to suggestions. --
Bill

Brought to you from Anchorage, Alaska.

"Bill Bradshaw" wrote in message
...
I did try his offline, File-Folder-Compact All Folders and
what happened is it started messing up my email folders and I
can not have that. Fortunately I keep a backup so I was able
restore the folders that were damaged. That is why I am only
doing newsgroups. I am going to set through each folder, both
email and news groups, and compact them individually and see if
this helps. --
Bill

Brought to you from Anchorage, Alaska.

"Gerry" wrote in message
...
Bill

If only newsgroups are compacted it would seem you are
selecting Tools, Options, Maintenance. CleanUp Now, Compact.
That is not what Bruce was recommending.
--
Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Bill Bradshaw wrote:
Bruce Hagen wrote:
Head this and it should reduce the chance of a reoccurrence.

General precautions for Outlook Express:

Do not archive mail in the Inbox or Sent Items. Create your
own user
defined folders and move the messages you wish to save to
them. Empty
Deleted Items folder daily. Although dbx files have a
theoretical capacity of 2GB, I recommend about a 300MB max
for less chance of corruption.
Information about the maximum file size of the .dbx files
that are used by Outlook Express:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=903095

After you are done, follow up by compacting your folders
manually while working *offline* and do it often.

Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so no
folders
are open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click Working
Online in the Status Bar). File | Folder | Compact all
folders. Don't touch
anything until the compacting is completed.

Turn off e-mail scanning in your anti-virus program. It is a
redundant layer of protection that eats up CPUs and causes a
multitude of problems such as time-outs and account setting
changes.
Your up-to-date A/V program will continue to protect you
sufficiently. For more, see:
http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3 In Tools | Options |
Maintenance: Uncheck Compact messages in
background and leave it unchecked. {N/A if running XP/SP2}.

And backup often.

Outlook Express Quick Backup (OEQB Freeware)
http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/Default.aspx

"Bill Bradshaw" wrote in message
...
I built a new identity and it finally compacted after
stopping a couple of times. Hopefully maybe it will now
start workingr reliably.

I follow all the suggestions at 903095 already. I do not
keep anything in my inbox, send, delete, etc. I do a manual
compact everday while offline and the only thing compacted
are the news groups and I only keep 12 days worth of message
in those folders (the
largest newsgroup file is 700 kB). One dbx file in my email
section is 57 mB. So it is not file size. This is really
strange. Fortunately my saved emails are not affected and it
just means I have
to re-download 12 days of the messages in the newgroup(s)
that are impacted by the compacting problem. I also keep my
messages in a subdirectory on partition E so they are not
mixed in with alot of other stuff.

Ron

You're correct. I should have said OE4 and earlier with specific
reference to importing. Problems involving directdb.dll occassionally
cropped up pre OE6 so my suspicion is that the current problem lies back
in the history of the archive. I cannot, however, put my finger on what
it exactly is.

Actually this KB Article is still current
OLEXP: Error Message If the Folders.dbx File Is Missing or Damaged
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/q233264/

--


Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Ron Sommer wrote:
OE 5 and 6 both use dbx files, so there is no difference.
OE 4 used different files.

"Gerry" wrote in message
...
Bill

Does any of your archived mail predate the introduction of OE6? Thus
have you imported folders using the OE6 option when you should have
used the OE5 option or earlier?


--


Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



Bill Bradshaw wrote:
New and old.

Have made it the default indentity.

Have not stored on CDs and none are read only.

Need to get through my mail and then will start with another new
identity.
Gerry wrote:
Bill

Is the directdb.dll error occuring with the new or old identity or
both?
Have you made the new identity the one that opens when you start
Outlook Express?

Have you previously stored any folders on CD? Have you checked the
properties of the folders in Windows Explorer to see whether any
are Read Only?



Bill Bradshaw wrote:
Yes I am. I tried PA Bear's suggestions and went to the Microsoft
site and followed the compacting all suggestions such as closing
the folder view, making sure my virus program was not checking
emails, working offline, and compacting all and I still get the
directdb.dll error. I will try a new indentity again tomorrow.

"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
...
Are you are still getting the directdb.dll error?
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA


"Bill Bradshaw" wrote in message
...
I all ready tried creating a new identity and in fact am using
it now. I will try this again tomorrow. The problem is that
it is differenct folders everytime and of course once it
happens on a folder OE then stops and has to be shut down
usually through the task manager. --
Bill

Brought to you from Anchorage, Alaska.

"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
...
Is this happening to every folder, or a select few? If the
latter, create new folders, move the messages to them and then
compact. If it is happening to many folders, create a new
identity. Import the messages and try compacting there. If
successful, just use the new named identity.
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA


"Bill Bradshaw" wrote in message
...
Using File-Folder-Compact folder by individual folder blew
up the 3rd email folder I tried it on. Compacting has worked
reliably for years and now it can no longer be trusted. I am
still open to suggestions. --
Bill

Brought to you from Anchorage, Alaska.

"Bill Bradshaw" wrote in message
...
I did try his offline, File-Folder-Compact All Folders and
what happened is it started messing up my email folders and I
can not have that. Fortunately I keep a backup so I was able
restore the folders that were damaged. That is why I am only
doing newsgroups. I am going to set through each folder,
both email and news groups, and compact them individually
and see if this helps. --
Bill

Brought to you from Anchorage, Alaska.

"Gerry" wrote in message
...
Bill

If only newsgroups are compacted it would seem you are
selecting Tools, Options, Maintenance. CleanUp Now, Compact.
That is not what Bruce was recommending.
--
Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Bill Bradshaw wrote:
Bruce Hagen wrote:
Head this and it should reduce the chance of a
reoccurrence. General precautions for Outlook Express:

Do not archive mail in the Inbox or Sent Items. Create
your own user
defined folders and move the messages you wish to save to
them. Empty
Deleted Items folder daily. Although dbx files have a
theoretical capacity of 2GB, I recommend about a 300MB max
for less chance of corruption.
Information about the maximum file size of the .dbx files
that are used by Outlook Express:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=903095

After you are done, follow up by compacting your folders
manually while working *offline* and do it often.

Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so
no folders
are open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click
Working Online in the Status Bar). File | Folder |
Compact all folders. Don't touch
anything until the compacting is completed.

Turn off e-mail scanning in your anti-virus program. It
is a redundant layer of protection that eats up CPUs and
causes a multitude of problems such as time-outs and
account setting changes.
Your up-to-date A/V program will continue to protect you
sufficiently. For more, see:
http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3 In Tools | Options |
Maintenance: Uncheck Compact messages in
background and leave it unchecked. {N/A if running
XP/SP2}. And backup often.

Outlook Express Quick Backup (OEQB Freeware)
http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/Default.aspx

"Bill Bradshaw" wrote in message
...
I built a new identity and it finally compacted after
stopping a couple of times. Hopefully maybe it will now
start workingr reliably.

I follow all the suggestions at 903095 already. I do not
keep anything in my inbox, send, delete, etc. I do a
manual compact everday while offline and the only thing
compacted are the news groups and I only keep 12 days
worth of message in those folders (the
largest newsgroup file is 700 kB). One dbx file in my email
section is 57 mB. So it is not file size. This is really
strange. Fortunately my saved emails are not affected and
it just means I have
to re-download 12 days of the messages in the newgroup(s)
that are impacted by the compacting problem. I also keep
my messages in a subdirectory on partition E so they are
not mixed in with alot of other stuff.

Ron

You're correct. I should have said OE4 and earlier with specific
reference to importing. Problems involving directdb.dll occassionally
cropped up pre OE6 so my suspicion is that the current problem lies back
in the history of the archive. I cannot, however, put my finger on what
it exactly is.

Actually this KB Article is still current
OLEXP: Error Message If the Folders.dbx File Is Missing or Damaged
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/q233264/

--


Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Ron Sommer wrote:
OE 5 and 6 both use dbx files, so there is no difference.
OE 4 used different files.

"Gerry" wrote in message
...
Bill

Does any of your archived mail predate the introduction of OE6? Thus
have you imported folders using the OE6 option when you should have
used the OE5 option or earlier?


--


Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



Bill Bradshaw wrote:
New and old.

Have made it the default indentity.

Have not stored on CDs and none are read only.

Need to get through my mail and then will start with another new
identity.
Gerry wrote:
Bill

Is the directdb.dll error occuring with the new or old identity or
both?
Have you made the new identity the one that opens when you start
Outlook Express?

Have you previously stored any folders on CD? Have you checked the
properties of the folders in Windows Explorer to see whether any
are Read Only?



Bill Bradshaw wrote:
Yes I am. I tried PA Bear's suggestions and went to the Microsoft
site and followed the compacting all suggestions such as closing
the folder view, making sure my virus program was not checking
emails, working offline, and compacting all and I still get the
directdb.dll error. I will try a new indentity again tomorrow.

"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
...
Are you are still getting the directdb.dll error?
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA


"Bill Bradshaw" wrote in message
...
I all ready tried creating a new identity and in fact am using
it now. I will try this again tomorrow. The problem is that
it is differenct folders everytime and of course once it
happens on a folder OE then stops and has to be shut down
usually through the task manager. --
Bill

Brought to you from Anchorage, Alaska.

"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
...
Is this happening to every folder, or a select few? If the
latter, create new folders, move the messages to them and then
compact. If it is happening to many folders, create a new
identity. Import the messages and try compacting there. If
successful, just use the new named identity.
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA


"Bill Bradshaw" wrote in message
...
Using File-Folder-Compact folder by individual folder blew
up the 3rd email folder I tried it on. Compacting has worked
reliably for years and now it can no longer be trusted. I am
still open to suggestions. --
Bill

Brought to you from Anchorage, Alaska.

"Bill Bradshaw" wrote in message
...
I did try his offline, File-Folder-Compact All Folders and
what happened is it started messing up my email folders and I
can not have that. Fortunately I keep a backup so I was able
restore the folders that were damaged. That is why I am only
doing newsgroups. I am going to set through each folder,
both email and news groups, and compact them individually
and see if this helps. --
Bill

Brought to you from Anchorage, Alaska.

"Gerry" wrote in message
...
Bill

If only newsgroups are compacted it would seem you are
selecting Tools, Options, Maintenance. CleanUp Now, Compact.
That is not what Bruce was recommending.
--
Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Bill Bradshaw wrote:
Bruce Hagen wrote:
Head this and it should reduce the chance of a
reoccurrence. General precautions for Outlook Express:

Do not archive mail in the Inbox or Sent Items. Create
your own user
defined folders and move the messages you wish to save to
them. Empty
Deleted Items folder daily. Although dbx files have a
theoretical capacity of 2GB, I recommend about a 300MB max
for less chance of corruption.
Information about the maximum file size of the .dbx files
that are used by Outlook Express:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=903095

After you are done, follow up by compacting your folders
manually while working *offline* and do it often.

Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so
no folders
are open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click
Working Online in the Status Bar). File | Folder |
Compact all folders. Don't touch
anything until the compacting is completed.

Turn off e-mail scanning in your anti-virus program. It
is a redundant layer of protection that eats up CPUs and
causes a multitude of problems such as time-outs and
account setting changes.
Your up-to-date A/V program will continue to protect you
sufficiently. For more, see:
http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3 In Tools | Options |
Maintenance: Uncheck Compact messages in
background and leave it unchecked. {N/A if running
XP/SP2}. And backup often.

Outlook Express Quick Backup (OEQB Freeware)
http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/Default.aspx

"Bill Bradshaw" wrote in message
...
I built a new identity and it finally compacted after
stopping a couple of times. Hopefully maybe it will now
start workingr reliably.

I follow all the suggestions at 903095 already. I do not
keep anything in my inbox, send, delete, etc. I do a
manual compact everday while offline and the only thing
compacted are the news groups and I only keep 12 days
worth of message in those folders (the
largest newsgroup file is 700 kB). One dbx file in my email
section is 57 mB. So it is not file size. This is really
strange. Fortunately my saved emails are not affected and
it just means I have
to re-download 12 days of the messages in the newgroup(s)
that are impacted by the compacting problem. I also keep
my messages in a subdirectory on partition E so they are
not mixed in with alot of other stuff.

OE 5 and 6 both use dbx files, so there is no difference.
OE 4 used different files.
--
Ron Sommer

"Gerry" wrote in message
...
Bill

Does any of your archived mail predate the introduction of OE6? Thus have
you imported folders using the OE6 option when you should have used the
OE5 option or earlier?


--


Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



Bill Bradshaw wrote:
New and old.

Have made it the default indentity.

Have not stored on CDs and none are read only.

Need to get through my mail and then will start with another new
identity.
Gerry wrote:
Bill

Is the directdb.dll error occuring with the new or old identity or
both?
Have you made the new identity the one that opens when you start
Outlook Express?

Have you previously stored any folders on CD? Have you checked the
properties of the folders in Windows Explorer to see whether any are
Read Only?



Bill Bradshaw wrote:
Yes I am. I tried PA Bear's suggestions and went to the Microsoft
site and followed the compacting all suggestions such as closing the
folder view, making sure my virus program was not checking emails,
working offline, and compacting all and I still get the directdb.dll
error. I will try a new indentity again tomorrow.

"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
...
Are you are still getting the directdb.dll error?
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA


"Bill Bradshaw" wrote in message
...
I all ready tried creating a new identity and in fact am using it
now. I will try this again tomorrow. The problem is that it is
differenct folders everytime and of course once it happens on a
folder OE then stops and has to be shut down usually through the
task manager. --
Bill

Brought to you from Anchorage, Alaska.

"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
...
Is this happening to every folder, or a select few? If the
latter, create new folders, move the messages to them and then
compact. If it is happening to many folders, create a new
identity. Import the messages and try compacting there. If
successful, just use the new named identity.
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA


"Bill Bradshaw" wrote in message
...
Using File-Folder-Compact folder by individual folder blew up
the 3rd email folder I tried it on. Compacting has worked
reliably for years and now it can no longer be trusted. I am
still open to suggestions. --
Bill

Brought to you from Anchorage, Alaska.

"Bill Bradshaw" wrote in message
...
I did try his offline, File-Folder-Compact All Folders and
what happened is it started messing up my email folders and I
can not have that. Fortunately I keep a backup so I was able
restore the folders that were damaged. That is why I am only
doing newsgroups. I am going to set through each folder, both
email and news groups, and compact them individually and see if
this helps. --
Bill

Brought to you from Anchorage, Alaska.

"Gerry" wrote in message
...
Bill

If only newsgroups are compacted it would seem you are
selecting Tools, Options, Maintenance. CleanUp Now, Compact.
That is not what Bruce was recommending.
--
Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Bill Bradshaw wrote:
Bruce Hagen wrote:
Head this and it should reduce the chance of a reoccurrence.

General precautions for Outlook Express:

Do not archive mail in the Inbox or Sent Items. Create your
own user
defined folders and move the messages you wish to save to
them. Empty
Deleted Items folder daily. Although dbx files have a
theoretical capacity of 2GB, I recommend about a 300MB max
for less chance of corruption.
Information about the maximum file size of the .dbx files
that are used by Outlook Express:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=903095

After you are done, follow up by compacting your folders
manually while working *offline* and do it often.

Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so no
folders
are open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click Working
Online in the Status Bar). File | Folder | Compact all
folders. Don't touch
anything until the compacting is completed.

Turn off e-mail scanning in your anti-virus program. It is a
redundant layer of protection that eats up CPUs and causes a
multitude of problems such as time-outs and account setting
changes.
Your up-to-date A/V program will continue to protect you
sufficiently. For more, see:
http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3 In Tools | Options |
Maintenance: Uncheck Compact messages in
background and leave it unchecked. {N/A if running XP/SP2}.

And backup often.

Outlook Express Quick Backup (OEQB Freeware)
http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/Default.aspx

"Bill Bradshaw" wrote in message
...
I built a new identity and it finally compacted after
stopping a couple of times. Hopefully maybe it will now
start workingr reliably.

I follow all the suggestions at 903095 already. I do not
keep anything in my inbox, send, delete, etc. I do a manual
compact everday while offline and the only thing compacted
are the news groups and I only keep 12 days worth of message
in those folders (the
largest newsgroup file is 700 kB). One dbx file in my email
section is 57 mB. So it is not file size. This is really
strange. Fortunately my saved emails are not affected and it
just means I have
to re-download 12 days of the messages in the newgroup(s)
that are impacted by the compacting problem. I also keep my
messages in a subdirectory on partition E so they are not
mixed in with alot of other stuff.

Just for the heck of it.

Malwarebytes Anti-Malware 1.31
http://www.download.com/Malwarebytes...-10804572.html

You may have corruption that stuck around after importing the folders to the
new identity.
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA


"Bill Bradshaw" wrote in message
...
New and old.

Have made it the default indentity.

Have not stored on CDs and none are read only.

Need to get through my mail and then will start with another new identity.
--
Bill

Brought to you from Anchorage, Alaska.

Gerry wrote:
Bill

Is the directdb.dll error occuring with the new or old identity or
both?
Have you made the new identity the one that opens when you start
Outlook Express?

Have you previously stored any folders on CD? Have you checked the
properties of the folders in Windows Explorer to see whether any are
Read Only?



Bill Bradshaw wrote:
Yes I am. I tried PA Bear's suggestions and went to the Microsoft
site and followed the compacting all suggestions such as closing the
folder view, making sure my virus program was not checking emails,
working offline, and compacting all and I still get the directdb.dll
error. I will try a new indentity again tomorrow.

"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
...
Are you are still getting the directdb.dll error?
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA


"Bill Bradshaw" wrote in message
...
I all ready tried creating a new identity and in fact am using it
now. I will try this again tomorrow. The problem is that it is
differenct folders everytime and of course once it happens on a
folder OE then stops and has to be shut down usually through the
task manager. --
Bill

Brought to you from Anchorage, Alaska.

"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
...
Is this happening to every folder, or a select few? If the latter,
create new folders, move the messages to them and then compact. If
it is happening to many folders, create a new identity. Import the
messages and try compacting there. If successful, just use the new
named identity.
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA


"Bill Bradshaw" wrote in message
...
Using File-Folder-Compact folder by individual folder blew up
the 3rd email folder I tried it on. Compacting has worked
reliably for years and now it can no longer be trusted. I am
still open to suggestions. --
Bill

Brought to you from Anchorage, Alaska.

"Bill Bradshaw" wrote in message
...
I did try his offline, File-Folder-Compact All Folders and
what happened is it started messing up my email folders and I
can not have that. Fortunately I keep a backup so I was able
restore the folders that were damaged. That is why I am only
doing newsgroups. I am going to set through each folder, both
email and news groups, and compact them individually and see if
this helps. --
Bill

Brought to you from Anchorage, Alaska.

"Gerry" wrote in message
...
Bill

If only newsgroups are compacted it would seem you are
selecting Tools, Options, Maintenance. CleanUp Now, Compact.
That is not what Bruce was recommending.
--
Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Bill Bradshaw wrote:
Bruce Hagen wrote:
Head this and it should reduce the chance of a reoccurrence.

General precautions for Outlook Express:

Do not archive mail in the Inbox or Sent Items. Create your
own user
defined folders and move the messages you wish to save to
them. Empty
Deleted Items folder daily. Although dbx files have a
theoretical capacity of 2GB, I recommend about a 300MB max
for less chance of corruption.
Information about the maximum file size of the .dbx files
that are used by Outlook Express:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=903095

After you are done, follow up by compacting your folders
manually while working *offline* and do it often.

Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so no
folders
are open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click Working
Online in the Status Bar). File | Folder | Compact all
folders. Don't touch
anything until the compacting is completed.

Turn off e-mail scanning in your anti-virus program. It is a
redundant layer of protection that eats up CPUs and causes a
multitude of problems such as time-outs and account setting
changes.
Your up-to-date A/V program will continue to protect you
sufficiently. For more, see:
http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3 In Tools | Options |
Maintenance: Uncheck Compact messages in
background and leave it unchecked. {N/A if running XP/SP2}.

And backup often.

Outlook Express Quick Backup (OEQB Freeware)
http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/Default.aspx

"Bill Bradshaw" wrote in message
...
I built a new identity and it finally compacted after
stopping a couple of times. Hopefully maybe it will now
start workingr reliably.

I follow all the suggestions at 903095 already. I do not keep
anything in my inbox, send, delete, etc. I do a manual
compact everday while offline and the only thing compacted
are the news groups and I only keep 12 days worth of message
in those folders (the
largest newsgroup file is 700 kB). One dbx file in my email
section is 57 mB. So it is not file size. This is really
strange. Fortunately my saved emails are not affected and it
just means I have
to re-download 12 days of the messages in the newgroup(s) that
are impacted by the compacting problem. I also keep my
messages in a subdirectory on partition E so they are not
mixed in with alot of other stuff.

Bill

Does any of your archived mail predate the introduction of OE6? Thus
have you imported folders using the OE6 option when you should have used
the OE5 option or earlier?


--


Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



Bill Bradshaw wrote:
New and old.

Have made it the default indentity.

Have not stored on CDs and none are read only.

Need to get through my mail and then will start with another new
identity.
Gerry wrote:
Bill

Is the directdb.dll error occuring with the new or old identity or
both?
Have you made the new identity the one that opens when you start
Outlook Express?

Have you previously stored any folders on CD? Have you checked the
properties of the folders in Windows Explorer to see whether any are
Read Only?



Bill Bradshaw wrote:
Yes I am. I tried PA Bear's suggestions and went to the Microsoft
site and followed the compacting all suggestions such as closing the
folder view, making sure my virus program was not checking emails,
working offline, and compacting all and I still get the directdb.dll
error. I will try a new indentity again tomorrow.

"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
...
Are you are still getting the directdb.dll error?
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA


"Bill Bradshaw" wrote in message
...
I all ready tried creating a new identity and in fact am using it
now. I will try this again tomorrow. The problem is that it is
differenct folders everytime and of course once it happens on a
folder OE then stops and has to be shut down usually through the
task manager. --
Bill

Brought to you from Anchorage, Alaska.

"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
...
Is this happening to every folder, or a select few? If the
latter, create new folders, move the messages to them and then
compact. If it is happening to many folders, create a new
identity. Import the messages and try compacting there. If
successful, just use the new named identity.
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA


"Bill Bradshaw" wrote in message
...
Using File-Folder-Compact folder by individual folder blew up
the 3rd email folder I tried it on. Compacting has worked
reliably for years and now it can no longer be trusted. I am
still open to suggestions. --
Bill

Brought to you from Anchorage, Alaska.

"Bill Bradshaw" wrote in message
...
I did try his offline, File-Folder-Compact All Folders and
what happened is it started messing up my email folders and I
can not have that. Fortunately I keep a backup so I was able
restore the folders that were damaged. That is why I am only
doing newsgroups. I am going to set through each folder, both
email and news groups, and compact them individually and see if
this helps. --
Bill

Brought to you from Anchorage, Alaska.

"Gerry" wrote in message
...
Bill

If only newsgroups are compacted it would seem you are
selecting Tools, Options, Maintenance. CleanUp Now, Compact.
That is not what Bruce was recommending.
--
Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Bill Bradshaw wrote:
Bruce Hagen wrote:
Head this and it should reduce the chance of a reoccurrence.

General precautions for Outlook Express:

Do not archive mail in the Inbox or Sent Items. Create your
own user
defined folders and move the messages you wish to save to
them. Empty
Deleted Items folder daily. Although dbx files have a
theoretical capacity of 2GB, I recommend about a 300MB max
for less chance of corruption.
Information about the maximum file size of the .dbx files
that are used by Outlook Express:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=903095

After you are done, follow up by compacting your folders
manually while working *offline* and do it often.

Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so no
folders
are open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click Working
Online in the Status Bar). File | Folder | Compact all
folders. Don't touch
anything until the compacting is completed.

Turn off e-mail scanning in your anti-virus program. It is a
redundant layer of protection that eats up CPUs and causes a
multitude of problems such as time-outs and account setting
changes.
Your up-to-date A/V program will continue to protect you
sufficiently. For more, see:
http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3 In Tools | Options |
Maintenance: Uncheck Compact messages in
background and leave it unchecked. {N/A if running XP/SP2}.

And backup often.

Outlook Express Quick Backup (OEQB Freeware)
http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/Default.aspx

"Bill Bradshaw" wrote in message
...
I built a new identity and it finally compacted after
stopping a couple of times. Hopefully maybe it will now
start workingr reliably.

I follow all the suggestions at 903095 already. I do not
keep anything in my inbox, send, delete, etc. I do a manual
compact everday while offline and the only thing compacted
are the news groups and I only keep 12 days worth of message
in those folders (the
largest newsgroup file is 700 kB). One dbx file in my email
section is 57 mB. So it is not file size. This is really
strange. Fortunately my saved emails are not affected and it
just means I have
to re-download 12 days of the messages in the newgroup(s)
that are impacted by the compacting problem. I also keep my
messages in a subdirectory on partition E so they are not
mixed in with alot of other stuff.

Just for the heck of it.

Malwarebytes Anti-Malware 1.31
http://www.download.com/Malwarebytes...-10804572.html

You may have corruption that stuck around after importing the folders to the
new identity.
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA


"Bill Bradshaw" wrote in message
...
New and old.

Have made it the default indentity.

Have not stored on CDs and none are read only.

Need to get through my mail and then will start with another new identity.
--
Bill

Brought to you from Anchorage, Alaska.

Gerry wrote:
Bill

Is the directdb.dll error occuring with the new or old identity or
both?
Have you made the new identity the one that opens when you start
Outlook Express?

Have you previously stored any folders on CD? Have you checked the
properties of the folders in Windows Explorer to see whether any are
Read Only?



Bill Bradshaw wrote:
Yes I am. I tried PA Bear's suggestions and went to the Microsoft
site and followed the compacting all suggestions such as closing the
folder view, making sure my virus program was not checking emails,
working offline, and compacting all and I still get the directdb.dll
error. I will try a new indentity again tomorrow.

"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
...
Are you are still getting the directdb.dll error?
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA


"Bill Bradshaw" wrote in message
...
I all ready tried creating a new identity and in fact am using it
now. I will try this again tomorrow. The problem is that it is
differenct folders everytime and of course once it happens on a
folder OE then stops and has to be shut down usually through the
task manager. --
Bill

Brought to you from Anchorage, Alaska.

"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
...
Is this happening to every folder, or a select few? If the latter,
create new folders, move the messages to them and then compact. If
it is happening to many folders, create a new identity. Import the
messages and try compacting there. If successful, just use the new
named identity.
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA


"Bill Bradshaw" wrote in message
...
Using File-Folder-Compact folder by individual folder blew up
the 3rd email folder I tried it on. Compacting has worked
reliably for years and now it can no longer be trusted. I am
still open to suggestions. --
Bill

Brought to you from Anchorage, Alaska.

"Bill Bradshaw" wrote in message
...
I did try his offline, File-Folder-Compact All Folders and
what happened is it started messing up my email folders and I
can not have that. Fortunately I keep a backup so I was able
restore the folders that were damaged. That is why I am only
doing newsgroups. I am going to set through each folder, both
email and news groups, and compact them individually and see if
this helps. --
Bill

Brought to you from Anchorage, Alaska.

"Gerry" wrote in message
...
Bill

If only newsgroups are compacted it would seem you are
selecting Tools, Options, Maintenance. CleanUp Now, Compact.
That is not what Bruce was recommending.
--
Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Bill Bradshaw wrote:
Bruce Hagen wrote:
Head this and it should reduce the chance of a reoccurrence.

General precautions for Outlook Express:

Do not archive mail in the Inbox or Sent Items. Create your
own user
defined folders and move the messages you wish to save to
them. Empty
Deleted Items folder daily. Although dbx files have a
theoretical capacity of 2GB, I recommend about a 300MB max
for less chance of corruption.
Information about the maximum file size of the .dbx files
that are used by Outlook Express:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=903095

After you are done, follow up by compacting your folders
manually while working *offline* and do it often.

Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so no
folders
are open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click Working
Online in the Status Bar). File | Folder | Compact all
folders. Don't touch
anything until the compacting is completed.

Turn off e-mail scanning in your anti-virus program. It is a
redundant layer of protection that eats up CPUs and causes a
multitude of problems such as time-outs and account setting
changes.
Your up-to-date A/V program will continue to protect you
sufficiently. For more, see:
http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3 In Tools | Options |
Maintenance: Uncheck Compact messages in
background and leave it unchecked. {N/A if running XP/SP2}.

And backup often.

Outlook Express Quick Backup (OEQB Freeware)
http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/Default.aspx

"Bill Bradshaw" wrote in message
...
I built a new identity and it finally compacted after
stopping a couple of times. Hopefully maybe it will now
start workingr reliably.

I follow all the suggestions at 903095 already. I do not keep
anything in my inbox, send, delete, etc. I do a manual
compact everday while offline and the only thing compacted
are the news groups and I only keep 12 days worth of message
in those folders (the
largest newsgroup file is 700 kB). One dbx file in my email
section is 57 mB. So it is not file size. This is really
strange. Fortunately my saved emails are not affected and it
just means I have
to re-download 12 days of the messages in the newgroup(s) that
are impacted by the compacting problem. I also keep my
messages in a subdirectory on partition E so they are not
mixed in with alot of other stuff.