Unless you flag the original post, you won't see the flag until you expand
the thread with that message in it.

In: Tools | Options | Read you can Automatically Expand Grouped Messages.
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA


"WhatsUp31415" wrote in message
...
"Bruce Hagen" wrote:
Only one thread?

No reasonable way for me know. I am not about to make a list of all
threads visible when "Group Messages" is not set, then crossreference them
to all threads visible when "Group Messages" is set (my normal mode).

(But if you can suggest a way that I could automate such a crossreference,
I would be happy to try. I am curious, too, about how many threads I
might not be seeing when "Group Messages" is set.)

I can only know about "interesting" threads. I stumbled across this one
when someone in another thread complained that the OP had posted two
essentially identical inquiries in separate threads. I used Find to
locate the other thread, then I set the flag. But when I returned to the
NG listing with "Group Messages" set, I did not see anything with the flag
set. As an experiment, I unset "Group Messages", and voila!, there was my
flagged posting. Of course, the intent of flagging the posting and
setting "Group Messages" was to find the responses easily.

Fortunately, in this case, they were not difficult to spot even with
"Group Messages" unset. But I am still concerned about the situation.


What newsgroup?

microsoft.public.excel.worksheet.functions.

The "invisible" thread has the subject "Formula", author Jules, date
7/27/09 5:18 PM, with responses posted at 5:42 PM and 7:05 PM. (All times
are PDT.)

The "duplicate" thread has the subject "How to write a formulae" [sic],
author Jules, date 7/27/09 5:38 PM, with responses posted at 5:43 PM and
5:47 PM.

I have no problem seeing the "duplicate" thread with and without "Group
Messages" set.


----- original message -----

"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
...
Only one thread? What newsgroup?
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA


"WhatsUp31415" wrote in message
...
There is a thread that I can see (in pieces) when "Group Messages by
Conversation" is not set, but I cannot see it when "Group Messages by
Conversation" is set.

I assume I am doing something wrong. But what is it?

PS....

I wrote:
The "invisible" thread has the subject "Formula", author Jules, date
7/27/09 5:18 PM, with responses posted at 5:42 PM and 7:05 PM. (All times
are PDT.)

In case I was unclear, the entire thread is "invisible" when "Group
Messages" is set -- the two responses as well as the initial posting.

Likewise, the entire thread becomes visible when "Group Messages" is unset.

I could try removing the NG from the account, then re-subscribing to see if
the thread becomes visible when "Group Messages" is set. I could also first
try subscribing to the NG to another account to see if the thread is visible
there when "Group Messages" is set.

But since both actions might change state, I want to wait before trying them
in case you or someone else wants me to look at the current state.


----- original messages -----

"WhatsUp31415" wrote in message
...
"Bruce Hagen" wrote:
Only one thread?

No reasonable way for me know. I am not about to make a list of all
threads visible when "Group Messages" is not set, then crossreference them
to all threads visible when "Group Messages" is set (my normal mode).

(But if you can suggest a way that I could automate such a crossreference,
I would be happy to try. I am curious, too, about how many threads I
might not be seeing when "Group Messages" is set.)

I can only know about "interesting" threads. I stumbled across this one
when someone in another thread complained that the OP had posted two
essentially identical inquiries in separate threads. I used Find to
locate the other thread, then I set the flag. But when I returned to the
NG listing with "Group Messages" set, I did not see anything with the flag
set. As an experiment, I unset "Group Messages", and voila!, there was my
flagged posting. Of course, the intent of flagging the posting and
setting "Group Messages" was to find the responses easily.

Fortunately, in this case, they were not difficult to spot even with
"Group Messages" unset. But I am still concerned about the situation.


What newsgroup?

microsoft.public.excel.worksheet.functions.

The "invisible" thread has the subject "Formula", author Jules, date
7/27/09 5:18 PM, with responses posted at 5:42 PM and 7:05 PM. (All times
are PDT.)

The "duplicate" thread has the subject "How to write a formulae" [sic],
author Jules, date 7/27/09 5:38 PM, with responses posted at 5:43 PM and
5:47 PM.

I have no problem seeing the "duplicate" thread with and without "Group
Messages" set.


----- original message -----

"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
...
Only one thread? What newsgroup?
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA


"WhatsUp31415" wrote in message
...
There is a thread that I can see (in pieces) when "Group Messages by
Conversation" is not set, but I cannot see it when "Group Messages by
Conversation" is set.

I assume I am doing something wrong. But what is it?

Unless you flag the original post, you won't see the flag until you expand
the thread with that message in it.

In: Tools | Options | Read you can Automatically Expand Grouped Messages.
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA


"WhatsUp31415" wrote in message
...
"Bruce Hagen" wrote:
Only one thread?

No reasonable way for me know. I am not about to make a list of all
threads visible when "Group Messages" is not set, then crossreference them
to all threads visible when "Group Messages" is set (my normal mode).

(But if you can suggest a way that I could automate such a crossreference,
I would be happy to try. I am curious, too, about how many threads I
might not be seeing when "Group Messages" is set.)

I can only know about "interesting" threads. I stumbled across this one
when someone in another thread complained that the OP had posted two
essentially identical inquiries in separate threads. I used Find to
locate the other thread, then I set the flag. But when I returned to the
NG listing with "Group Messages" set, I did not see anything with the flag
set. As an experiment, I unset "Group Messages", and voila!, there was my
flagged posting. Of course, the intent of flagging the posting and
setting "Group Messages" was to find the responses easily.

Fortunately, in this case, they were not difficult to spot even with
"Group Messages" unset. But I am still concerned about the situation.


What newsgroup?

microsoft.public.excel.worksheet.functions.

The "invisible" thread has the subject "Formula", author Jules, date
7/27/09 5:18 PM, with responses posted at 5:42 PM and 7:05 PM. (All times
are PDT.)

The "duplicate" thread has the subject "How to write a formulae" [sic],
author Jules, date 7/27/09 5:38 PM, with responses posted at 5:43 PM and
5:47 PM.

I have no problem seeing the "duplicate" thread with and without "Group
Messages" set.


----- original message -----

"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
...
Only one thread? What newsgroup?
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA


"WhatsUp31415" wrote in message
...
There is a thread that I can see (in pieces) when "Group Messages by
Conversation" is not set, but I cannot see it when "Group Messages by
Conversation" is set.

I assume I am doing something wrong. But what is it?

"Bruce Hagen" wrote:
Only one thread?

No reasonable way for me know. I am not about to make a list of all threads
visible when "Group Messages" is not set, then crossreference them to all
threads visible when "Group Messages" is set (my normal mode).

(But if you can suggest a way that I could automate such a crossreference, I
would be happy to try. I am curious, too, about how many threads I might
not be seeing when "Group Messages" is set.)

I can only know about "interesting" threads. I stumbled across this one
when someone in another thread complained that the OP had posted two
essentially identical inquiries in separate threads. I used Find to locate
the other thread, then I set the flag. But when I returned to the NG
listing with "Group Messages" set, I did not see anything with the flag set.
As an experiment, I unset "Group Messages", and voila!, there was my flagged
posting. Of course, the intent of flagging the posting and setting "Group
Messages" was to find the responses easily.

Fortunately, in this case, they were not difficult to spot even with "Group
Messages" unset. But I am still concerned about the situation.


What newsgroup?

microsoft.public.excel.worksheet.functions.

The "invisible" thread has the subject "Formula", author Jules, date 7/27/09
5:18 PM, with responses posted at 5:42 PM and 7:05 PM. (All times are PDT.)

The "duplicate" thread has the subject "How to write a formulae" [sic],
author Jules, date 7/27/09 5:38 PM, with responses posted at 5:43 PM and
5:47 PM.

I have no problem seeing the "duplicate" thread with and without "Group
Messages" set.


----- original message -----

"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
...
Only one thread? What newsgroup?
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA


"WhatsUp31415" wrote in message
...
There is a thread that I can see (in pieces) when "Group Messages by
Conversation" is not set, but I cannot see it when "Group Messages by
Conversation" is set.

I assume I am doing something wrong. But what is it?

Make sure View | Current View | "Show all messages" is checked and "Show
replies to my messages" is NOT checked.

WhatsUp31415 wrote:
There is a thread that I can see (in pieces) when "Group Messages by
Conversation" is not set, but I cannot see it when "Group Messages by
Conversation" is set.

I assume I am doing something wrong. But what is it?

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
Make sure View | Current View | "Show all messages" is checked
and "Show replies to my messages" is NOT checked.

Yes to both. Also, Customize Current View is set to "For all messages, Show
the message".


----- original message -----

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
Make sure View | Current View | "Show all messages" is checked and "Show
replies to my messages" is NOT checked.

WhatsUp31415 wrote:
There is a thread that I can see (in pieces) when "Group Messages by
Conversation" is not set, but I cannot see it when "Group Messages by
Conversation" is set.

I assume I am doing something wrong. But what is it?

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
Make sure View | Current View | "Show all messages" is checked
and "Show replies to my messages" is NOT checked.

Yes to both. Also, Customize Current View is set to "For all messages, Show
the message".


----- original message -----

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
Make sure View | Current View | "Show all messages" is checked and "Show
replies to my messages" is NOT checked.

WhatsUp31415 wrote:
There is a thread that I can see (in pieces) when "Group Messages by
Conversation" is not set, but I cannot see it when "Group Messages by
Conversation" is set.

I assume I am doing something wrong. But what is it?

"WhatsUp31415" wrote in message

There is a thread that I can see (in pieces) when "Group Messages by
Conversation" is not set, but I cannot see it when "Group Messages by
Conversation" is set.

I assume I am doing something wrong. But what is it?

When messages are Grouped by Conversation, then ALL messages in that
conversation are show under only one message Subject. That will be the
earliest message still on the server.
Then, under that, if you click the + to the left, are all the unred
responses to the one showing on top. Since it's a group, all the posts
in the group are represented by only the one earliest one, with the
others rolled up under it.

But if messages are not grouped by conversation, then every message is
shown and there is no grouping of messages by the Subject Line to show
which ones are responses or later then the preceding one. You see every
message available to you all at the same time.

Grouped:

message 1 (shows in pane)
Click the + on the left and the following
message 2
message 3
message 4
and so on will roll down.
4 responds to 3, 3 to 2, 2 to 1, or whomever they decide they wish to
respond to.

Ungrouped:

Message 10
Message 4
Message 1
Message 8
Message 3
Message 6
Message 2
and so on. Here you can't really tell which messages are part of one
thread or stand on their own or what.

That help any?

Unfortunately, setting the flag on a message down inside a group,
doesn't flag earlier posts in that thred, nor anything earlier than the
message flagged by the user; only older message get the flag. I think
it's dumb too, since flagging every message would make the entire group
easier to find. I usually do that by using Edit; Find and looking for
the subject.

HTH,

Twayne`

"Twayne" wrote in message
...
"WhatsUp31415" wrote in message

There is a thread that I can see (in pieces) when "Group Messages by
Conversation" is not set, but I cannot see it when "Group Messages by
Conversation" is set.

I assume I am doing something wrong. But what is it?

When messages are Grouped by Conversation, then ALL messages in that
conversation are show under only one message Subject. That will be the
earliest message still on the server.
Then, under that, if you click the + to the left, are all the unred
responses to the one showing on top. Since it's a group, all the posts in
the group are represented by only the one earliest one, with the others
rolled up under it.

But if messages are not grouped by conversation, then every message is
shown and there is no grouping of messages by the Subject Line to show
which ones are responses or later then the preceding one. You see every
message available to you all at the same time.

Grouped:

message 1 (shows in pane)
Click the + on the left and the following
message 2
message 3
message 4
and so on will roll down.
4 responds to 3, 3 to 2, 2 to 1, or whomever they decide they wish to
respond to.

Ungrouped:

Message 10
Message 4
Message 1
Message 8
Message 3
Message 6
Message 2
and so on. Here you can't really tell which messages are part of one
thread or stand on their own or what.

That help any?

Unfortunately, setting the flag on a message down inside a group, doesn't
flag earlier posts in that thred, nor anything earlier than the message
flagged by the user; only older message get the flag. I think it's dumb
too, since flagging every message would make the entire group easier to
find. I usually do that by using Edit; Find and looking for the subject.

HTH,

Twayne`


What messages are seen, depends on whether Hide unread messages is selected.
Lets assume that Show all messages is selected.
'earliest message still on the server' should be 'earliest message still on
the your computer'. Not all of the messages may have been downloaded or
some may have been deleted.
--
Ron Sommer

"Ron Sommer" wrote in message

"Twayne" wrote in message
...
"WhatsUp31415" wrote in message

There is a thread that I can see (in pieces) when "Group Messages by
Conversation" is not set, but I cannot see it when "Group Messages
by Conversation" is set.

I assume I am doing something wrong. But what is it?

When messages are Grouped by Conversation, then ALL messages in that
conversation are show under only one message Subject. That will be
the earliest message still on the server.
Then, under that, if you click the + to the left, are all the unred
responses to the one showing on top. Since it's a group, all the
posts in the group are represented by only the one earliest one,
with the others rolled up under it.

But if messages are not grouped by conversation, then every message
is shown and there is no grouping of messages by the Subject Line to
show which ones are responses or later then the preceding one. You
see every message available to you all at the same time.

Grouped:

message 1 (shows in pane)
Click the + on the left and the following
message 2
message 3
message 4
and so on will roll down.
4 responds to 3, 3 to 2, 2 to 1, or whomever they decide they wish to
respond to.

Ungrouped:

Message 10
Message 4
Message 1
Message 8
Message 3
Message 6
Message 2
and so on. Here you can't really tell which messages are part of
one thread or stand on their own or what.

That help any?

Unfortunately, setting the flag on a message down inside a group,
doesn't flag earlier posts in that thred, nor anything earlier than
the message flagged by the user; only older message get the flag. I
think it's dumb too, since flagging every message would make the
entire group easier to find. I usually do that by using Edit; Find
and looking for the subject. HTH,

Twayne`


What messages are seen, depends on whether Hide unread messages is
selected. Lets assume that Show all messages is selected.
'earliest message still on the server' should be 'earliest message
still on the your computer'. Not all of the messages may have been
downloaded or some may have been deleted.

True.